Surprised they didn’t accuse random US politicians of secretly being hamas
not their usual strategy
He definitely shouldn’t be in charge of anything…he’s dehumanizing humans…like a country and leader did in the 1930’s.
Yeah
Israel had every right to defend themselves against the Hamas but what he and his far right ministers are doing and saying is making it really hard to support them and believe that it’s really only an attempt to eradicate Hamas and not also about expanding Israel as they do in the Westbank for years.
They are really making it almost impossible to support the legitimate cause of rescuing hostages and security their population from Hamas and are actively fuelling antisemitism through the anti-zionism they provoke
Dude … straight numbers…you really think that many in Gaza were actual Hamas vs Palestinians trying to live their lives? Hamas sucks but this is like trying to kill all Florida because of a few Florida men, or all of DC because of politicians…this is genocide and there is no way to defend it.
Edit: Israel literally made up lies about rape and got that bullshit published in the New York Times ruining them as actual journalism and then bombed refuge camps…not an easy argument to defend.
You know how many people in Germany that weren’t died because of the bombings?
If your government starts a war you have to pay the price.
Why is noone calling Hamas to surrender?
Sure Israel is definitely able to be more careful and their right wing ministers are only adding fuel - but that doesn’t really change their right to defend themselves (and Hamas is still attacking them each day)
That whole situation is a total clusterfuck and I really wish Israel would get rid of netanyahu and vote for someone that’s interested in a long term solution that’s including Palestine.
If your government starts a war you have to pay the price.
Hey look at that, it’s Bin Laden’s moral justification for 9/11
Though it doesn’t really apply here, because for you to use the whole “Palestine started it so Israel is just defending themselves by genocideing the civilian population” you have to acknowledge that Palestine is a sovereign country. And if that’s the case, then what Israel has been doing to it for decades - blockading, cutting of food and water, violating it’s borders, killing it’s people, bombing it, forcing it’s people to carry ID cards, etc - meet the definition of acts of war many times over (as well as being war crimes) which means Palestine is completely justified in defending itself, including - by the standards you’ve set - by killing Israeli civilians.
Western leaders didn’t mind that guy in the 1930s for a good while until his dehumanizing got too carried away. After financing him, supporting him and allowing him to gain power for a good while, it then began to get too difficult to get him out of power … then things got carried away … and you know the rest.
Don’t forget IBM building the systems to efficiently catalog and murder the jews in the holocaust, and pretty much every non-jewish-owned corporation being perfectly happy empowering fascism for profit — no different to today, with most major corporations still “donating” to R’s and every other fascist or dictator globally.
Turns out capitalism doesn’t give two shits about freedom or democracy and only worships the almighty dollar…
Plus Hogo Boss made all the sexy SS uniforms and shit…so many companies are terrible.
And some idiotic folks in this country think trump isn’t marching straight into that same history…replace jew with LGBT and there you go.
Seems like no one cared so much about the dehumanizing (a lot of which was hidden and not fully discovered until later) and instead it was more about stopping his massive land grab.
What a surprise did the puppet lose its benefits already? Or is it not doing what they want?
Ok how does that stop far-right Zionists? Will there be a crackdown on fascists? No? They’ll come back into power soon because Israel is a racist colonial ethnostate.
If you’re under the impression that Israelis universally support Netanyahu, I have a feeling you’ve never actually talked to any.
Well they aren’t exactly being an allied nation right now. So other than giving them to the wolves, if the Israeli people want the US as an Allie, they need to decide between peace and genocide.
Sorry but the US isn’t exactly the pacifist and/or peacekeeping nation, you think they are. Not to mention that they are trying to spy on their own allies, tap their phones, install backdoors in network equipment, persecute whistle blowers, etc., meddle with other countries internal affairs, trying to stifle the competition of other countries economics and what not. And now supporting full blown genocide and sending arms to Israel. And believe me a lot of people in the US were very happy when the UK left the EU.
So they are just a tad better than Russia in my books and I wonder what the world would be like without countries like the US, Russia, China.
I doubt the US is trying to overthrow Netanyahu, but if they were, I’m glad of it.
On one hand the USA does this all the time (cough Imran Khan cough)
On the other hand, they like having Israel, just none of the accusations of genocide that might ruin poor Biden’s election campaign
Knowing what happened to USS Liberty, I seriously doubt they’re trying to overthrow Netanyahu. Probably trying to bribe him or other members to cool off so the news goes away for a bit.
On one hand the USA does this all the time (cough Imran Khan cough)
Mainly to leftist governments though, and Bibi’s a right-wing extremist. He’s the sort of person the US usually installs, which is why there’s no way in hell they’d try to overthrow him
Honestly, more people should be.
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Right here. He’s the head of the administration giving them access to the weapons to carry the genocide out. At best he is abetting a genocide. At worst a willing participant.
Sometimes i doubt myself when i block someone. Sometimes a commenter’s history is so illustrative of who they are and what they’re worth generally that i can’t hit it fast enough
Bidencide or Genobide?
Just a distraction.
I mean the easiest way of overthrowing Netanyahu would be for the US to stop giving Israel money while he’s in power. He’d be gone by lunchtime.
If the US sanctioned Israel, the very next day the Gaza massacre woull stop and Bibi would out, and within a week probably in jail, not only because Israel’s oldest ally turning against them like that would be the stronguest possible message that they fucked-up, but also but because losing support from the US would be seen as an existential threat for Israel.
The talkie-talkie from the US Administration that’s as far as the US goes at the moment (accompanied by the very oppsite of the words in actions such as military and diplomatic support) is rightly seen as hot air produced merelly for Biden’s political convenience.
He’d be gone by lunchtime.
Why?
There’s this narrative that Israel is completely dependent on US aid and would be powerless without it, but I don’t think that’s obviously true. What military is going to meaningfully threaten them? Jordan has no interest in another giant wave of Palestinian migrants (given that the last one led to a coup attempt), nor does it have a significant military. Lebanon hardly has a genuine government. Syria is a mess. Egypt does have some legitimate power, but also has no interest in a massive war right next to them.
The only regional power capable of meaningfully threatening Israel is Iran, and Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Sunni coalition do not want massive expansion of Iranian influence.
Not to mention, Israel has already defeated all of its neighbors, simultaneously, twice. I’m fairly confident that the only thing that would actually happen if the US stopped sending aid is a bit of a dent in the Israeli economy.
My point is that I think the Israeli political establishment would rather give up Netanyahu than give up billions of dollars worth of funding and weapons from the US.
Yeah, I think you’re right. Netanyahu is still currently on trial for corruption, he’s struggled to form a governing coalition, and even though he wanted to turn 10/7 into a moment of national unity, most Israeli’s blame him for the attack. He really is not popular domestically, and losing the support of Israel’s largest international partner would probably be the final nail in his coffin. I think this narrative of the U.S., “overthrowing,” Netanyahu is his government’s attempt to spin mild U.S. criticism into foreign election interference.
They could just as easily close ranks with support for Bibi galvanizing over perceived foreign influence in their politics. Nationalism is a powerful narcotic and the US making that move could just pump it into their veins.
Israel would be gone by lunch time.
No, as a thought experiment, I think if regime change meant continued US support they’d be safe from neighbouring countries while negotiating that change.
Given the “enemy” they are bombarding lacks the capacity to retaliate at scale no real harm would come to them if they had to just stop genociding and occupying.
They would have to concentrate their resources on defence in the normal sense of the word.
Israel isn’t afraid of Hamas if US drops support, they’re afraid of Iran and several other Arabic countries. Palestine is just testing/training grounds for their military in their own eyes.
Exactly. This is why I think they’d be willing to trade in Netanyahu.
Fascists make up whatever bullshit they want.
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Hmm
Bibi taking the hasbara into his own hands
