My current issue is i see you guys constantly having issues, editing files etc.
Is it not stable?
Can you not set it up and then not have ongoing issues?
As already stated why would there be a bunch of posts of people bragging about their uptime and stability? Would be pretty boring no? Why are you wanting to make the switch and what are your needs?
Leas about needs, more about taking back control of mt personal electronics
Leas about needs, more about taking back control of mt personal electronics
That makes you a good candidate; it means you are motivated. Expect to learn new things. Expect that sometimes you are going to blame something on Linux when it’s really your own ignorance. Expect that sometimes, it might be the fault of Linux, or might be the fault of the distro you chose, etc.
Some very fundamental things work differently. Go to a forum or community that is specific to the distro you choose and ask them about the proper way to install software and “package management.” Understanding that one topic, and the nuance of how your chosen distro expects you to manage software, will stave off a great many of the problems you are likely to have as a noobie.
If considering this a learning experience sounds good to you, you will succeed. Don’t try to “learn Linux” - try to learn what you need to in order to achieve individual tasks on your system, or solve minor annoyances. Doing that will pull in a lot of context. Linux forums are great, but forums specific to the distro you choose will almost always be superior during the learning phase.
In this very thread I see comments from folks who likely expected it to work just like Windows with different trappings. Don’t expect that, because it’s not what you are going to get. Consider it an adventure.
Source: Tried Linux and gave up in 1999. Tried Linux and gave up in 2004. Tried Linux and stuck with it in 2007. Have not touched Windows except when paid to do so since then, and each and every year since then has made it clearer and clearer what a good decision that was.
I support Windows for my job, and have done so for over twenty years. I find Linux easier to use in every way, and more reliable, and I don’t have to force it to respect my authority as the owner of the system it runs on.
Thabk you
You’re welcome!
80% of my linux issues happened because of me
This is a forum where people seek help. Of course you’re going to see problems here. Nobody posts “hey it’s been several years and I’ve had no problems.”
Of course linux is stable. It runs like 80% of servers on the Internet.
Can confirm. I’ve been using Linux for nearly 30 years… I don’t post questions on forums. Bug reports for OSS projects, on the other hand…
Also can confirm. Been using Arch, which most people consider requires more fiddling than other distros, for almost 10 years now and have had few issues with it. I’ve had to fix my Windows install more than my Linux.
Only 80%?!? I assume *BSD isn’t counted in that number. I really can’t see people running windows on their servers…
And to be honest, server stability != display server stability.
To be honest I pulled the 80% out of my ass… It was the first reasonable looking number that came up on a quick search.
Of course linux is stable. It runs like 80% of servers on the Internet.
I assume *BSD isn’t counted in that number.
BSD isn’t Linux.
Hey, it’s been well over a decade, and the largest problem I have is a crippling addiction to distro hopping…
Personally, I don’t get the appeal of distro hopping. I think it’s nice to try different concepts, but there aren’t that many.
You basically have the “classic” distributions, like Debian, Suse, Fedora and their derivatives and if you want those split up into the stable and the rolling distributions (Arch, maybe Debian Sid). Then there’s the source-based distributions, most notably Gentoo and derivatives. Declarative distributions, NixOS and GUIX system. And then maybe the newer breed of immutable distributions like Fedora Silverblue.
To me, the difference between an Arch system and Debian are kind of minimal. Yet I’d always prefer Arch. But why would I hop to OpenSUSE?
Granted, I always install from the terminal anyways and build my system to my needs, so I usually don’t get the default experience.
Welcome to the club. Just now I’m setting up Endeavour to give it another (14th) shot.
Big oof. May the kernel be with you.
I’m going to do my best to “wait” for PopOS 24.04 before I hop out again. It seemsbI finally got Endeavour right, with hybrid graphics and all. The only pain was actually how long it took to install Lubre Wolf. Ah, and that the first attempt at installing flatpaks, nothing was showing up after install until I rebooted. But now they work as expected.
Mmmmmm…that feeling when everything just finally falls into place and works right. chef’s kiss
Search this community for the many other “Which OS” posts and you’ll find many well explained options for what you seem to be seeking.
One of my favorite things about Linux is this: you can try it. Get a thumb drive, get Rufus or Etcher. Download Mint, Ubuntu, something with a “Live Linux”. Boot from the thumb drive, spend an hour or two surfing, clicking around, seeing if things work. 2018, you had like an 80% chance of a flawless experience. 2024, it’s way higher! Plus, the alternatives have gotten slower, more bloated, more interested in monetizing you than serving you, so even if it feels strange, and you have to relearn some stuff, more than ever, it might be worth it.
Even if it didn’t work quite right, keep the thumb drive around. The number of times I’ve rescued an important file off of a messed up system using a thumb drive with Mint on it? You’d be surprised.
Just want to mention Ventoy here. Able to boot from one thumb drive into a selection of distros? Yes please.
I also use Ventoy. Someone says it has problems, I never found them
Some older PCs are cranky and won’t boot it. Some newer PCs refused as well, to ‘protect’ me from a shim.
Agreed! That’s a couple steps after you convert into a full-blown LiNerd, but I have a Ventoy nestled next to my portable Mint. I landed on Ventoy after I snagged an IODD-2541 and decided that someone had to have implemented the concept in software.
This is awesome advice, ill give this a go first thank youvery much
Of course it’s stable.
Just like with Windows, the more advanced stuff you do, the more advanced problems you’ll have.
If you just wanna set and forget, avoid arch based and you’re golden.
Well unless it’s just editing the text file. God forbid you unknowingly enter vim and don’t know how to get out without rebooting.
Thing is, when people say that windows doesn’t break, they mean that it doesn’t break for normal users. I’d be surprised if those know what a command like editor is, to begin with.
And it totally does break, it’s just that people are familiar with the ways windows breaks, and know how to work around it.
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… It didn’t occur to you to google “how to exit vim”?
It’s :q! and if you were in some special mode you can spam esc a bunch of times before.
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That’s assuming that you’re able to google it. Before everyone had a phone in their pocket, and 17 computers lying around if you were stuck in command line with no GUI then you had no option.
They couldn’t, didn’t you read? They were stuck in vim!
I’m not sure of you are trying to be funny, but just in case you are not, if their only working environment was a terminal and they didn’t know how to get out of vim, they were fucked to begin with.
I’m guessing they entered vim because they copied it from somewhere, be it another window, having vim in a terminal emulator, a mobile phone where they searched whatever, or another PC. If we are talking about a non graphical PC with just a single tty or a user without the knowledge of changing ttys or without the knowledge of searching the web from the command line, who somehow entered vim without external input, that’s kinda on them, idk. There’s several fuckup steps in there, all nicely stacked.
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I’m imagining that same instance still stuck open for years until you found out.
To quit vim is simple!
Just get a second computer, network with the first one, SSH into the first one, find the process ID of vim, and pkill! Easy as pie!
Screw nano and ed, use mirco.
Exactly … If all you’re going to do is go online and maybe write a document once in a while … a simple distro like Mint or PopOS will just work without issue.
This is odd phrasing. It sounds like you’re saying mint and pop aren’t capable of more. Same when people call them "good for newbs"n implying that more advanced users flock elsewhere.
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I second this advice. Arch is a rolling-release distribution, so most of its packages are updated to the latest releases as soon as they come out, regardless of whether they’re tested to be stable with other software and hardware configurations.
I have “ubuntu server” installed on an old computer I use for hosting game servers. That thing is incredibly stable and low-maintenance.
If you pick a well known distribution such as Pop Os or Linux Mint you will have very little issues, and if you have any, you will be able to easily find help since they are very popular, and they are also using Ubuntu as a base, which is the most popular of the popular distros.
Can vouch for mint. Have had almost no issues with it, I barely even touch the terminal unless I’m doing development.
I’m old. Mint 15 XFCE, I burnt an installed copy onto a thumb drive, and ran into a weird grub glitch. Asked on a Mint forum, and Clem himself (maker of Mint) wrote me a detailed how-to-fix. Warm fuzzy feelings for Mint.
Vouching for PopOS, which has been my primary OS for years. The only thing I run a Win VM for is the old Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas & Campaign Cartographer. I suppose I could tinker with Wine, but it tends to be finicky with the latter.
My only complaint with Pop os is its high Ram usage and Pop is shop eating all CPU resources.
I run Pop and Mint in VMs with Fedora as my main system
Just go ahead and try. You don’t really need our permission to do that. Most distros support “live install” direct from the installation media, without making changes to your system. If you don’t like it, reboot and you’re back to whatever you had before
Have fun!
And to answer your double negation questions, yes and yes.
You don’t really need our permission to do that.
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Linux Mint (I’d recomment Debian edition, LMDE) is basically what you want to try out. I’ve set up a PC with it for my stepfather that hasn’t used Linux at all and he’s happy with it. It’s designed to be as newbie-friendly as possible. You won’t have more issues with it than you’ll already have using Windows.
Then if you feel unsatisfied with anything about it, you can go looking for other linux distributions (distros) because you have a general idea what’s happening.
You won’t have more issues with it than you’ll already have using Windows.
You absolutely will, and the ones you get will be harder to solve. It’s far more useable than it used to be, but the overall experience with Windows is still easier.
BUT it probably is quite usable for you overall. Just don’t go into it expecting nothing but smooth sailing.
IMO and maybe a wrong one, issues tend to happen for four reasons:
- incompatible hardware
- hardware failure
- update breaks everything
- I wanna do a cool thing from the internet
I’ll say that the third one is very rarely occurring in Mint, and I wouldn’t say it’s not happening in Windows.
The first one is in my experience the most common, though less frequent than it was some time ago.
The last one is the reason you see many posts around here :)
As everyone is saying, Linux can be perfectly stable, depending on your distribution.
The only thing I’d think about is that you could have to tweak a few things to get everything working at the beginning.
For instance, I had nothing to change to make everything work in Fedora on my Surface Go, but I gad to enable rom fusion in the terminal to get the wifi working on my wife’s MacBook Pro.
Otherwise, you can just enjoy your Linux distribution as long as you don’t want to do crazy stuff out of the beaten paths.
Most problems I run into with Linux are caused by me doing weird things. Linux doesn’t prevent you from messing with things you don’t understand but if you just want to use it as a standard desktop then you shouldn’t have many issues aside from finding replacement applications for things you are used to using.
If you decide to start tinkering, just keep a backup of your home directory since it contains all your settings and files.
The thing is that people use Linux and than find it so good that they try to find problems in order to spend time playing with it. It’s like a hobby, or a game… But you can also use it without making it a hobby. Ubuntu was born for this, but for that I would honestly suggest something like Manjaro
Manjaro? Are you sure?
I never tried PopOS, but I would never suggest Ubuntu. Manjaro is easy, updated, there are many people using it, offers large number of software, works well with Nvidia and other propietary drivers (the thing that generates issues for new users, usually). I know people think they had “security” problems, but they always explained what happened, and they just had a bad contract with the CDN service and a misleading error message in pamac, that didn’t impact the security of the user.
First time I tried switching to linux I went with mint and I had a lot of problems, everything I hated about windows seems to be even worse there. I switched back to windows for a year but last month I gave linux another shot with Manjaro. And I managed to fully switch to linux without any big problems so far. There is a lot to like about it, especially for a linux begginer like myself.
I am not really qualified to recommend it, but my experience as a noob has been great (gaming with linux native games and windows games, watching movies, customizing things, modding games…)
Depends on what you want to do. For most general uses, Linux is stable af.
Unlike Windows, Linux doesn’t really try to stop you from doing much when it comes to customization, scripting and tinkering, the only limitations are your abilities and how well you can find proper information on the internet. The more exotic sort of thing you try to do the more likely you may inadvertently break something. That said, have fun with it, try the live distro, then dual booting first, and if you do break something you can easily reinstall, until you’re ready to move fully.
There’s a common joke that it’s not linux, it’s gnu linux and this is followed by a long copy pasta about how linux is only the kernel which is the code that handles managing how your machine is used
In this case this is important, linux can be a stable os (notible examples include android os, linux mint, debian stable, as well as the server distributions) these generally update slower in order to make sure bugs get squashed. On the other hand there are linux operating systems that are difficult to use for a beginner such as arch, void, and gentoo. There are also distrobutions that have a bad habit of breaking manjaro, gentoo, come to mind. If you want a linux experience that is set it up once and have no more problems than anyone might expect to have on windows you can do that (sometimes you’ll run into a situation where you have a device that doesn’t play well with linux like an algato streamdeck or a device that doesn’t have a driver yet like my sister’s laptop webcam (thanks acer much appreciated) but in general you can have a stable easy experience as long as you aren’t trying to do anything crazy
Here’s my recommendation, make a linux mint thumbdrive boot off it, play around with it, and test varius hardware you have (ie bluetooth, webcam, that one usb dingle doop that no one else has but you use every day). Maybe don’t install it (or do chances are it’ll be just fine) but boot off it often, and once you’ve learnt the os pretty well, back up everything you care about and install linux mint
As an, aside i love your username, very clever
Thank you for the advice, and cheers for the Username
It’s as stable as you want it to be. I break my system a lot more than expected because I’m deleted directories and files I’m not supposed to. Experimenting with a bunch of stuff. My laptop is using the same distro (Arch) and I don’t do weird stuff with it so it runs perfectly fine.
