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This is exactly the reason I am going to install linux on my main Desktop, crazy coincidence of this meme. The temptation to play that addicting game is sometimes hard to resist. In linux I am more inclined to spend my time on stuff I learn from.
Get off that high horse: linux can still run DotA 2.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
And overwatch
Crap games apart (LOL is a good name for it), the only reason because Windows is better for games is that most games in the market are Windows only, no other reasons. But this is currently changing with more and more games also for Linux. Worst gaming platform is still Apple.
Anyway, at least
And the reason a lot of games are made for windows: nvidia helps companies with testing and development support, but funnily enough they help with testing nvidia hardware, and only on Windows.
I guess they only do Windows to try to keeo development costs of the drivers down? But I’m not sure.
Not entirely correct, the simple reason is called “money”. Windows is by far the most used platform in the world, because of this also the most potential users of the gaming industry. Linux has almost 100 different distros and much of these don’t accept other than opensource apps in its repository and only very few modern games are (2?..3?), there isn’t much more than FPS and arena shooters with graphics of 20 years ago, side scrollers and other with pixelgraphics, crappy RPG 2 D or with isometric view, few exceptions apart, like the above mencioned The Dark Mod, despite that it isn’t full OpenSource because of some non-free art assets which included and for this is tecnically only freeware and for sure for this, not in most of the repositories. Making games is a lot of work and there are not much idealistic game devs out there which will make a modern game for buy me a coffee. That is the main problem because Windows is still the best platform for games and not for tecnical reasons.
There’s FOSS* client for Oldschool Runescape, called Runelite ;)
*some proprietary blobs because Jamflex didn’t like that RL devs were providing source code for the reverse engineered bits from the official java client
Yes, there are some FOSS clients for games, but like in FreeDoom and others, they need the original gamefiles to work. Apart, none of the FOSS games have graphics which are up-to date for modern PC, because of this the mencioned The Dark Mod is an excepcion, it’s not a client or front end, but a standalone game, in quality and graphics similar to current commercial games.
They’ll help you develop and test your AI stuff on Linux but not Windows (I don’t think… Completely different team of engineers).
I’m wondering what will happen when loads of games have built-in generative AI… Will these two paths cross and finally give us Linux folks Nvidia (graphics) drivers that are actually good? 🤔
Also shout out to valve for making more windows games run on linux via proton
If I ever get off my ass and make that game I am going to rub my nipples and respond every time a mac user sends in a support ticket asking why their game isn’t working with “because it’s a mac”
OpenBSD:
- does not run systemd
Conclusion: OpenBSD wins
Wasn’t a big reason some people don’t like systemd because it didn’t run on FreeBSD?
OpenBSD loses because it’s permissively-licensed instead of copyleft.
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I guess you use blob-free Linux-libre then?
Systemd is good actually
My pocket calculator: does not run anything
Conclusion: my pocket calculator wins. Always
Yes, this totally wins:
5318008
It runs calculations. Abacus wins again
Haha fools behold my pet rock, it never runs anything or anywhere.
Square block of concrete weighting 1 metric ton:
Doesn’t support throwing it with human powerConclusion: square block of concrete weighting 1 metric ton wins
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Calm down Lennart. Also, upstart was better and not ancient.
Upstart was better, but even Ubuntu, who was by the creators of upstart (Canonical) decided to switch to systemd after using upstart for a bit?
Yeah, I don’t know why. Upstart really was better.
What made it better?
Because it was a shameless copy of SMF which is also great.
Why do people hate systemd anyway? I’m not that tech-savvy but I’ve always used it and I don’t recall ever having a problem with it
It’s slow and heavy, and it does too many things. It’s a monolithic piece of code so big it’s getting too difficult to maintain, so it has more vulnerabilities than other alternatives. It’s also taking over the whole system, to the point where Linux systems will soon be Systemd/Linux instead of GNU/Linux.
It’s also developed and funded mainly by Microsoft, which is also something people don’t really like. Microsoft are trying to make it similar to Windows in some ways, which makes it way more difficult to debug random errors.
And it doesn’t follow the UNIX guidelines, which is just the cherry on top.
I think it’s largely a combination of curmudgeons that hate change and people who are strict Unix ideologues. systemd, while being objectively better in many ways is a monolith that does more than one thing. This violates some of the Unix program philosophies (small programs that do one thing). The truth is that the script-based inits were terrible for dependency management, which is something that systemd explicitly addresses and is probably one of its greatest strengths, IMO.
EDIT: Corrected capitalization.
It’s the main strength, and for that it deserves praise.
For the feature creep that goes into it, and everything hard requiring systemd stuff (way beyond just the init system) just to start, no thanks.
That’s very fair. Having managed system services for custom application stacks with hard dependencies on one another, that strength is worth it to me.
I don’t mean to come across as saying that the Unix philosophy is wrong. Just horses for courses. Systems where there is a likelihood of interdependent daemons should probably consider systemd. Where that’s not an issue or complexity is low, more Unix-like inits can still be a solid choice because of their limited scoping and easy modification.
Again, init system is OK.
Suddenly logind, networkd, resolvd, timesyncd, and every other systemd subsystem is way too much inside the one supposed init system.
On a side note, it’s systemd, no damn uppercase D at the end.
Good point. Fixed.
I finally gave up the hate and embraced the poeterring-ing a few years ago. Can confirm I de-aged by 15 years as a result.
I run Gentoo with OpenRC.
Still need some systemd stuff for some software :|
I run Void with runit.
I’ve tried to completely avoid systemd, and so far I think I’ve managed. It’s still a pain in the ass, because a lot of software depends on it.
As an upside, startup time on my old lappy went from 2+ minutes on barebones Arch with systemd to just under 40 seconds on Void with runit.
I don’t even care about the boot times.
Perhaps because I don’t use DEs my PCs boot up quickly, and servers aren’t supposed to be rebooted outside their maintenance windows. So why would I care about pArAlLeL bOoTiNg.
Oh well, I’m just an old man yelling at clouds.
The thing about parallel booting is it’s only faster in systems with lots of cores, and the overhead of the parallelized code is sometimes enough to negate the benefits in older processors.
My machine is a Core 2 Duo lappy, which allows me to run most modern programs cheaply. However, it’s slow (even though I don’t use DEs either), and laptops are the kinds of computers you boot multiple times a day. That’s why I care about boot times. And in this case, you can see that booting with a parallelized init system is slower than booting with a “regular” one.
Yeah, Systemd might be the new fad, but I still believe there are lots of things to learn from the simple init systems. After all, an init system should only focus on initializing a system, and it shouldn’t be as complex and complicated as Systemd is.
I might be just another old man yelling at clouds. But hey, that makes two of us now.
Yeah, I get you.
Though perhaps in such use-case it would do better with sleep states than poweroffs.
One of my best friends I met playing LoL so I don’t know if regret would be the word, but… Going to Linux exclusively was one of the easiest ways to break the habit.
What about runs League of Legends in its Windows VM
Very soon it won’t be doable due to vanguard (kernal level anti-cheat)
I will finally be free?!
I remember watching Arcane and then trying the lol mobile game, DO NOT PLAY LOL IF YOU ALREADY DON’T.
especially don’t play if you do!
i played a match and i don’t get it, that game is just boring.
how do people actually play this?
i have colleagues who gush over how they want everyone else to play it.
it’s just so… stale
Do play Legends of Runeterra. It’s a charming, friendly and easy to pickup collectible card game set in the world of LoL with ZERO abusive practices. Enjoy PvP/Ranked ladder while you can, because the lack of dark patterns means it made less money than they expected, so some features were shelved and more things may be removed in the future.
Does not have AI powered shit by default either which is another huge plus.
Neither does most installations of windows
The Copilot integration they recently pushed to 11 says otherwise. They’re going hard on AI moving forward.
Jesus Christ being painted in the sand on a beach.
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ye gar-Dena in yeordagum
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you spear-Danes in days of yore
I once visited a friend’s house and when I saw their computer’s desktop I dragged LoL to the trash bin and they didn’t even try to stop me.
Same with FIFA or EA SPORTS FC. So double whammy to switch to linux
Okay you nerds definitely have a point on this one
Omg when I meet someone me and they say they’re a gamer. Why is it always fucking Dota?
League is for children and Dota for adults. Which group do you hang around in life?
Like I said. Why is it always Dota.
Which one has the better stock performance?
Linux and its not even close…
What’s Linux’s market cap?
2023 revenue?
If those are the performance metrics you care about you’re probably not thinking about personal computing. In which case, in business terms, Linux is 100% the elephant in the room of cloud computing
Does it run Fortnite?
Linux isn’t a company you waffle
I’d facefuck a plate of waffles right now if you know what I’m saying.
That’s understandable
I mean, IBM and Redhat and Amazon and Azure…
Troll
I didn’t think of that, my apologies.
League is cancer. This meme is accurate.
What if I don’t need anything to deter me from playing League of Legends? I’ve never tried it and don’t want to.