So while I understand the love for FOSS and an Ad Free Experience, somebody still has to pay for the server time. Now I know this doesnt exactly work in THIS scenario with Sync, but couldnt ads and paid subs in Apps be a good way for Lemmy/KBin instances for be financed without having to rely on donations?
For Example, imagine if Lemmy.ml had their own app with their own experience and if you wanted to support it without actually handing over money, now you could use ads in the mobile experience and feel a little better about your lurking.
Just a thought.
This is the thought process to why reddit shut down third party apps
I found out about Lemmy BECAUSE of Sync. I’m a huge FOSS supporter but that doesn’t mean I’ll trash anything that isn’t open source.
Much more importantly, I’d really like to see Lemmy succeed against data mining trash like Reddit. Let’s not dissuade potential converts coming over from Reddit with this gatekeeping nonsense. These manipulative parasitic social media companies are the real enemy here. Sync is one guy making one app with a one time purchase. Everyone is still welcome to use open source apps, the website or any other means of accessing the community. Sync is not your enemy.
I found out about Lemmy BECAUSE of Sync
I had heard of lemmy in the days before the reddit blackout, but only when ljdawson said he was considering building sync for lemmy, did I actually join up.
I tried other clients before sync was actually out, and voyager is pretty good - but sync feels like home.
Wait, is it looked down on for some reason? I’ve used sync for years, and am glad it’s back.
Edit- nevermind, found another content explaining it.
I like sync because I don’t have to interact with or smell the poors. Good job sync team 👍
But… This analogy doesn’t work at all. Sync isn’t a community, it’s a client. So you’re interacting with the same people.
It’s a joke
Agreed. Get your grubby FOSSy hands off my amazing app.
Actually I’d invite the FOSS developers to learn from UI of sync. If they get better, I’ll switch to FOSS apps, I’d contribute to FOSS if I had the time, but I don’t and their UI does feel unpolished. Used liftoff and jerboa before sync.
Infinity is pretty slick
If affording a cheap app is rich in your eyes…I have bad news for you.
Not everyone is made of money. In my country 20 USD is a whole month’s rent.
Perfect response. I not usually one who is made fun of for being bougie, but why not pay for an app that I’ve used for nearly a decade and can easily afford?
More like when they find out you paid for sync ultra
The FOSS idealist fantasy land is just as cringe as all the “it’s only $20” bootlicking loyalists. Just another dramatic console war, courtesy of a bored internet and slow news cycle
It’s now bootlicking to be okay paying for something. Okay.
for real lol - you’d think Sync users were getting the logo tatoo’d on their forehead the way people are acting
At this point I’m just sick of hearing about it. If I promise to delete Sync from my phone, will you all shut the fuck up about it???
pulls hat lower, hiding my forehead
How dare you be okay spending $20 that will provide you thousands of hours of enjoyment over the course of the next decade?!
Baconreader premium was the best 1.99 I ever spent
I was pissed about the yearly subscription, but $20 for life for an app that I will likely use for nearly a thousand hours per year really isn’t too bad.
I disagree with the rest of the people itt. Downvote me NOW
I agree with this comment.
If Apollo would introduce Lemmy support I would immediately pay for it. Even though I am actually really happy with Memmy.
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Yeah nah fuck that Sync hate, I don’t use it personally but if someone wants to use it, all the best to them and have a jolly ride in the lemmy part of the fediverse
“I don’t use it myself” LIAR, BURN THE HERETIC
/s
I used many Lemmy Android clients and after trying out Sync it is so good. It is not FOSS but it is high quality. Other FOSS apps are not mature enough yet and are unestable. I hope one day a FOSS one can compete and have high quality and I will switch
Shame shame shame (Kidding ofc)
I don’t understand the hate for charging for a product. I pay for a Mastodon client. If a Lemmy client that I really liked cost money and I felt the price was reasonable, I’d support that developer, too.
I still get put on blast on mastodon when I tell someone I use Ivory. Why the hell do they care?
Many Americans (I’m one) cling to a variety of purity tests, and they struggle to grasp the bigger picture which could result in better outcomes for everyone.
Black or white. Win or lose. It’s a tiring cultural characteristic.
Many of us happily pay add removal fees on apps, but few of us pay $20. It stands out as excessive, especially in a very competitive arena like Lemmy apps where lots of good options have emerged.
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Nothing wrong at all with charging for the main version to support development as long as it’s not gouging. I don’t think this is gouging in the slightest.
I don’t think price gouging is even possible unless you control most or all of whatever resource. Sync is one of many apps to access Lemmy, and it isn’t forcing anyone to pay or even use it.
I agree. This situation is a bit different, but my point was the general idea of price gouging of a product.
Oh yeah? What Mastodon client? I’ve just been using the 1st party client and I feel like it’s pretty decent. Kinda curious how much better a client might be.
Woolly is my client of choice. I used Ivory, too, but I really took to Woolly.
Mammoth is a great free alternative but lacks some of the polish (and has a horrible app icon lol)
Thanks!
I would happily pay for any FOSS app that I use, even for higher price than proprietary ones. I personally would prefer to use a FOSS app, if the UX is somewhat on par with the proprietary ones.
That being said, no judgement to people who prefer proprietary app. We all have different priorities, hence have to make different tradeoffs.
I would pay for a good native iOS App. Memmy is nice but apps using web frameworks always have more limitations than any native one.
Try Avelon: https://testflight.apple.com/join/IzB0ZiBO
This and Mlem are my favorites.
Mlem is SwiftUI and FOSS! I know there are some issues with the current App Store build (weeps in janky scrolling) but we’ve got a major update hitting beta tomorrow and the App Store as soon as Apple will allow that’s going to fix it.
Looking forward to trying out the updated build!
My only gripe that makes me stay with Mlem is lack of any method of saving/sharing just the photo of a post.
EDIT: I meant Mlem, not Memmy.
We’ve got that feature in testing right now, we’re hoping to have it out to the App Store in the next couple days!
WOW! i did try out mlem in its early days, but since i browse lemmy mainly on ipad, it wasn’t for me so i moved to memmy
Just checked back on it and now the iPad experience is miles better than memmy. Guess i’m coming back to mlem
Great work guys! Looking forward to tomorrow’s testflight
Try Mlem, it’s native iOS. It’s a work in progress but the user experience is great and the beta and active development seem promising.
I don’t understand the hate for charging for a product
I think the hate is mainly for the $100 lifetime payment. That’s a lot for some people.
To build on what other people are saying, the $100 also is supposed to cover the cost of running servers and networks that the app has to use for the more unique, advanced features. Those are all things that will cost the developer to keep up and running - it’s honestly nice that you even have the option to pay for lifetime since, once you’ve used the app for six years, the dev is going to start losing money off of your using the app.
$100 is lifetime Ultra, which is subscription otherwise. It’s $20 for lifetime removal of ads.
Yea I’m aware, I can read.
Your comment implied that folks need to pay $100 to use the app. Only $20 lets a user disable ads and any tracking associated. Otherwise if someone wants to try it or just doesn’t feel like paying they can use it for free with the potential to get a Google ad in their scroll.
No, my comment did not imply that.
Yep, before regionalizing prices Lj was charging about 450 bucks in local currency. Minimum wage is about 1200.
It’s not the charge money part. It’s that it charges money and then still grabs and sells toms of your data. That’s something the Lemmy crowd is super opposed to even in free products, but a subscription to have your data sold when the service itself (Lemmy) is hosted on a donation basis and does not cost the devs a cent to use is too much.
Most of that opposition is directed at the Sync devs of course, not against some user who has made the decision that the proposal is good and decided to use Sync.
It literally doesn’t do that. If you pay for it, the ad code doesn’t even initialize, thus performing no tracking. And crash analytics are optional.
At least, if we trust Laurence. I wish it was open source so we could verify, but I choose to trust him.
Hey, you do you. I’m weirded out that the app makes you accept all that stuff and is only one commented line away from collecting your stuff. But I’m not here to lecture others. If you enjoy the app and think it’s money well spent, I wish that you get out of it what you hope for and that’s enough for me.
That’s a fair take, in my opinion.
That’s fair. Unfortunately Google doesn’t let you make multiple versions of the same app anymore, so he can’t make a second, paid version without that code. On the other hand, what’s the difference between a commented line and a missing line?
I agree. I paid for a better Apollo experience back in the day, and the developer well deserved it.
A lot of Lemmy consists of FOSS enthusiasts, so something that’s paid and proprietary wouldn’t look as good in their eyes.
There’s also the fact that the free version of Sync uses (Google?) ad tracking to show you ads, so those people would also be upset.
Lemmy instances run on servers which are funded by donations. I don’t see how Sync (which is made by one developer) gets to be frowned upon because there’s a price for ad removal. All FOSS projects are somehow funded, usually by donations. Nothing runs for free.
If we get to use all the FOSS Lemmy apps is because someone put in the time and money to make it happen.
A Sync user loves Lemmy enough to pay for it and isn’t wrapped up in drama spun by FOSS advocates. Be proud.
That being said, I love FOSS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software?wprov=sfla1
Had to look it up
Almost thought it was an app 🤣
I’m over here bouncing between Memmy and Voyager solely because I miss Apollo.
It’s amazing how much an interface matters thought I enjoyed Reddit when really I enjoyed Apollo.
My point is, I don’t know what Sync is but if it’s what you like then hell yeah use the shit out of it.
Sync was a great app for Reddit. I used it as my main for a while before I got my first iPhone. I honestly don’t understand all the hate for it here. There are several FOSS choices for Lemmy apps if anyone doesn’t like it.
Sync was not only my favorite app for reddit, but IMO the best UI/UX of any app I’ve ever used. I enjoyed Connect until Sync came out, but now that it has I feel like I can finally enjoy Lemmy as much as reddit. Everyone will have their preferences and prices they’re willing to pay, but $20 absolutely seems reasonable to me for how much I use it lol.
That is exactly how I felt about Apollo and the apps I mentioned earlier are absolutely allowing me to enjoy Lemmy.
I absolutely did not understand how to consume Lemmy before. But now… now I do.
Sync was Apollo but on Android.
Not precisely, they weren’t 1-for-1 clones. But when I moved from Android to iOS I was easily able to adapt to Apollo from Sync. Very similar visuals, very similar gestures, similar developer devotion.
Memmy is so fucking good.
F that noise. I’m here and active because Sync came out, and I’ve become used to its interface over the years. I’ll eventually try the other FLOSS apps but I’m here learning and enjoying first.
Yeah, op, don’t feel shamed about using sync, it’s a great app that’s worth using. I use it. Lots of us use it. The hate is a knee-jerk reflex to the sudden influx of excited reddit sync users who have migrated to lemmy and talked a lot about sync. I think FOSS users were expecting a FOSS-type option and were shocked when that wasn’t the case. Then you also had users who were just mad that it would cost more to be used here than it was on reddit.
No one hates you for using sync.
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