Johnson claimed that Trump violently raped her when she was 13 at a 1994 orgy hosted by Jeffrey Epstein — the billionaire who was convicted in 2008 of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution and has been accused of having sex with more than 30 underage girls.
Johnson said Trump had sexual contact with her at four of those parties, including tying her to a bed and violently raping her in a “savage sexual attack.” The lawsuit said Johnson “loudly pleaded” with Trump to stop, but that he responded by “violently striking Plaintiff in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted.”
AHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The general consensus is that this lawsuit was fake and started by anti-Trump members of the GOP in 2016.
Sure
None of the other victims corroborate that Katie Johnson was even on the island. They made a real filing of fake claims.
I’m all for sticking it to Trump and punishing him for his crimes, many of which were sexual and some may have been with underage girls. However we have to be careful to focus on the things he is actually guilty of, else he will just be exonerated and get another layer of orange Teflon added to his skin.
The Murdochian consensus, yes.
As for the rest of us, anyone who’s bothered to look can see the situation fits trump to a T.
Allegedly.
The general consensus is that this lawsuit was fake and started by anti-Trump members of the GOP
And yet there is a case number and record of the case.
Case was real, one was dismissed and another dropped though. I think they’re saying that the accusation was fake. The article does make it sound really suspicious, but also it mentions that it could be real but just handled bizarrely.
Exactly. Poor wording on my part, but the kicker is that none of the other Epstein victims corroborate that Katie Johnson was one of them.
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The lawsuit itself appears to be real, not fake.
The allegations may not be true.
It’s subtle, but there’s a difference
It might also be the allegations are 100% true, but the death threats and people trying to destroy your life and those around you might not be worth it. Look how Stormy has been treated when the Cult is out to get you.
Yeah.
I fear that my original comment might be misconstrued so I just want to make it (probably annoyingly) explicit:
- original comment: lawsuit is fake
- reply1: no it’s real there’s a case number
- reply2: oh well then it must be true
- my reply: well akshually the existence of the lawsuit is pretty clearly not fake (response to original and reply1) but yeah you’re right it hasn’t been tried and we don’t have all the evidence to show that its contents were true or not
FWIW I fully believe Trump did this and worse, but that’s just me
Poor wording on my part. The lawsuit was not fake, the allegations were. None of the other Epstein victims corroborate that Katie Johnson was even on Epstein’s island.
I do think Trump has done similar/worse though, but there’s yet to be any real evidence surfaced.
Here’s a current press item about the issue, dated Jul 04, 2024, Donald Trump, Katie Johnson Allegations: Everything We Know - Newsweek
…which confirms that there’s no new info.
Some X users appeared to believe that the document is a recent filing. The post was shared after about 150 pages of transcripts related to a 2006 grand jury investigation into Jeffrey Epstein’s rape and sex trafficking of teenagers was released to the public on Monday.
However, the document included in the X post isn’t connected to those papers, but actually comes from a lawsuit filed in the months leading up to the 2016 election by an anonymous plaintiff using the name “Katie Johnson.”
Now, I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually did it, wouldn’t even be the worst thing he did. But that is indeed the general consensus, afaik.
EDIT: the article posted by Flying Squid would be more relevant to current events.
I am afraid to think that soon we will find ourselves discussing whether or not someone who has raped a girl can run for presidency
Current court might decide it’s a requirement. Look at Jefferson.
Although they might decide that it’s not rape if it’s a slave. Which might make 13th amendment interpretations interesting.
But, but Biden!!!
Biden sniffs hair and loves his son yuck!
/s
Both sides!!1! /s
Not here to start a fight. I get the annoyance at the whataboutism, but the list of allegations against Biden is much longer.
What list? Also quite literally Trump has been tried and was considered guilty of grapes. Literally admits to walking around nude children and touching women because he is a star
Not here to defend Trump. Nor imply he can be defended.
What list?
Not here to start a fight. Just saying that Biden haters have more on their list than your two items.
Them being more willing to make up a firehouse of random bullshit means nothing.
It does if you want piercing satire.
Faking whataboutism is very different to pretending your guy is whiter than white.
He Raped that LITTLE GIRL as an OFFICIAL Act of the Presidency!
offtopic: Other than Trump and MAGAts using it, such capitalization could look interesting. As something, indeed, characteristically American. And it might make texts more legible sometimes (I’m not joking), a bit like with Bionic Reader.
And he’d do it again too.
And no MAGAtard worth their trash has ever linked their God-Emperor to that pervert Epstein. 😡🤬
MAGAtard? They prefer MAGAt or MAGAholic
So this wasn’t an official act? I guess it depends upon which SC justice you ask.
He might not have been the president in 1994, but I don’t have a source to back that up
Ask Trump is all.
Republicans: “That man is just LIKE US! He embodies every value that we hold dear! We should totally nominate him to lead our party.”
I don’t excuse the media for not talking about this, but I also don’t think it would matter if they put it on a 24 hour news cycle and shouted it from the rooftops. Or if they used the emergency broadcast system to send the story directly to every phone owning American. The cult of trump just doesn’t care. My (ugg) Facebook feed is full of people saying that felony’s don’t matter when it cost them some extra cash to buy groceries. I see people almost daily wearing clothing proclaiming they are voting for the felon. They just do not care about what ever he has done.
The media talked about it plenty. This story is 4 years old. How often do the expect the media to report on unfounded allegations by someone who dropped the case?
You’re right and it’s terrifying. I don’t see any way to fix it besides maybe forming a new non-fascist country
Is this the one where the girl and her mother were constantly threatened so they refused to testify and moved away?
The (second) case against Trump was dropped after Jane Doe got death threats. Not sure if that’s what you mean. The article does mention " two anonymous corroborating witnesses whom no one in the press had spoken to". Was that a girl and her mother?
Why did they drop it though? If it was actually proven, then that would’ve been the end for him
Because she was getting death threats? They might have been credible and specific for all we know.
Money or lack of evidence.
Plus the death threats, the prospect of that court case defining one’s life, and being a very young adult wanting only to forget it.
She was 35 in 2016 when the suit was dropped, but valid points otherwise.
I personally couldn’t imagine trying to overcome telling a court room of people what I can only imagine is PTSD inducing memories, and then on top of that receiving death threats from Trumps cult. I’m not sure one could have enough years of trauma therapy to overcome that.
But her emails. But his stutter.
538 upvotes on an article from 2016. This rape allegation was known in 2016:
A 2016 lawsuit accused Trump, then a candidate for president, of raping a minor, but no evidence was put forth before the case was dropped.
Oh well if he raped the 13 year old child 8 years ago it’s all fine. Statute of limitations on ethics and all.
/s
but no evidence was put forth before the case was dropped.
The case was dropped because the victim received death threats from Trump’s fanclub.
The whole case was also really suspicious, like the article said. People, including the only reporter who got to interview the woman (over a phone call) wasn’t even sure if the person actually ever existed. Seeing that this is a fairly old article, I wonder if we got any new info on this.
Trump is a pedo with several decades of documented creepy behavior.
There. “Explained.”
I told a trump cultist about the creepy things he said about his daughter. Guy said it’s ok, he made a mistake and God had forgiven him.
He should probably withdraw
He should be thrown in prison and not even given the freedom to withdraw. He should be forcefully taken out, legally but violently.
Something something defend something enemies both foreign and domestic…
Didn’t you hear? The president of the United States, who takes that same oath, exact same that any other military service member and elected official takes, is not actually bound by that oath, and can do whatever crimes they want so long as it’s a Republican president and the shriveled sack of justice, the SCrOTUS, says it’s official duties of the office!
What a time to be alive…
Yet, here we are, with the potential of him to be the next president of the country (again). :/
I think you mean the next king of your failed democracy.
This.
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This.
democracy
Never was one. Kinda exactly what led us here.
I’m not from the US but even that kinda offended me. To say that there has never been democracy in the US, clearly judged by your very narrow view of history is incredibly ignorant.
How old are you?
The US has always been a representative republic. For much of that time, it was representative of only a fraction of a fraction of the whole population.
how old are you?
"Uh… uh… eyes dart to the side 21 gulps.
Democracies will most likely always have flaws, I think it makes more sense to compare it to other systems in the same historical context than to apply a current vision of what a democracy should be.
And how are those representatives chosen, perhaps in some elections like in, I dunno, a representative democracy
That’s an ignorant, illiterate and pedantic puerile answer.
That whole “republic” bullshit is…bullshit.
The USA, as of today, is a FAILED democracy.
What point in history would you pin as American government being representative of it’s population. It was failed from the start.
That’s an ignorant, illiterate and pedantic puerile answer.
Baby’s first thesaurus?
That whole “republic” bullshit is…bullshit.
The USA, as of today, is a FAILED democracy.
An argument I’m sure you’ll support in your next replies.
Saying that the US isn’t a democracy because it’s a representative republic is like saying a shape isn’t a rectangle because it’s a square.
We aren’t a direct democracy. But in a representative republic power still stems from the people voting (ostensibly). Demoi (δῆμοι) meaning “peoples” and kratos (κράτος) meaning “power,” we get “democracy.” Power from the people.
If you really want to get into it, there was a great paper showing that by definition we’re much closer to an oligarchy, than a democracy or republic.
While technically true, and for more reasons than you displayed knowledge of in the comments below (e.g., we really seem more of a “plutocracy”, where regardless of which side gets elected, the wealthy get their way outside of the legal system), it is also besides the point. We used to have more elements of democratic choices, like we were at least on the spectrum. Until Monday at least…
The US system is a representative democracy. How well that system works is another matter.
Pedantry got you here.
and the first king in the idiomonarchy.
Think of the children, though. Those books are really dangerous.
Technically not an accusation, Trump lost the lawsuit to Jane Doe. When Trump denied the allegations and accused her of defrauding him, he got sued again for defamation.
Trump raped a 13 year old girl.
Aren’t those different cases?
I’m not sure what case they mean but this particular Jane Doe doesn’t seem to have won against Trump on rape allegations. First case was dismissed and second was dropped after there were death threats. Seems like there’s four Jane Doe lawsuits against Trump, two about the rape, but two of them have nothing to do with that. Pretty confusing.
No. But Trump does have like 30 other allegations, so I could see why you were confused.
Sure, the guy who says his friend likes girls on the younger side and that they are okay with it deserves the benefit of the doubt. Excuse me while I throw up.
This particular case is, technically, an accusation, though. Even if we’re all just about certain that it’s true.
Sure, I heard he totally respects women’s rights. He would be never think of purposely walking in on a young girl changing… Ohh wait
Justified sarcasm, but not relevant to this particular thread about technical legal language.
The situation is so perverse but we are to hold a logical detached conversation about a child rapist. Excuse me while I go throw up again.
Again. Not arguing about the red team rapist.
Did you even read what I said? I agree with you there. But technically, and I’m only bringing this up because
youthe original commenter* originally did, it is an accusation.*Edit: I thought you were the same person, but my point still stands.
Suuuure, I am just calling bullshit on it. You are okay, even if your playing devils advocate to a rapist.
Jesus fucking Christ with you people.
Holy crap, I hope that’s not what you think I was saying.
It is hard to tell when you are dealing with a serial rapist.
Technically not an accusation, Trump lost the lawsuit to Jane Doe.
I’m not sure if there’s some other Jane Doe lawsuit he lost but he didn’t lose (either time) the rape accusation talked in the article. First was dismissed and second was dropped (likely because death threats).
A lawsuit filed in California in April 2016 accused Trump and Jeffrey Epstein of forcibly raping three 12 and 13-year-old girls at underage sex parties at Epstein’s Manhattan residence in 1994.[39] The case was dismissed the following month. A second version of the lawsuit was filed in New York in June by a Jane Doe claiming to have been raped by the pair at four 1994 parties when she was 13 years old.[40] It was withdrawn in October as the plaintiff said she had received death threats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations#Jane_Doe_(1994)
