No, she isn’t. What needs to be said is that she presents far less danger for our country than Trump does. It really sucks having two candidates you don’t like, but for the sake of integrity, you have to always choose what you believe is the lesser of two evils.
Douche and Turd Sandwich, every last time. Does get a little old.
Hoping to be pleasantly surprised by Harris once she doesn’t have to pander to the “center” - and I say “center” because anyone considering voting for Trump in the first place is not in the “center” and if they are, we’re worse off than I realized.
Hoping to be pleasantly surprised by Harris once she doesn’t have to pander to the “center”
Nothing I’ve seen while she’s been in office suggests she’s going to be anything but a Mitt Romney tier corporate hack.
She’s got a rich and eager pool of progressive voters to court - voters she was happy to pander to back in 2020 - who she has spurned since she became VP. She’s taken an outright reactionary stance on immigration. She’s abandoned any support of a public health insurance option. She’s all in on genocide in Gaza. She’s taking enormous amounts of money from Crypto banks and gig economy CEOs. She got an endorsement from Dick fucking Cheney, so you can guess where she stands on fossil fuels.
But she’s not Trump, so…
💯
Still hoping to be wrong though.
you mean to tell me that my two candidate options are dumb and dumber… And then thing1 and thing2? (i almost gotcha on that one)
Whatever will i do. What a hard decision.
This thread is a honeypot for annoying accounts to block
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good
Pretty typical of left leaning voters. Lots of issues, lots of arguing, very little in the way of coming together. Give the Right one thing: They will come together to fuck you over.
The left wing circular firing squad
I’d be voting PSL if I got a vote at all
No American here. I ask myself, does a third candidate have any real chance of getting enough votes to gain visibility in the media and elsewhere? Even if it is for future elections?
I don’t know the answer, but if it’s no and you know it and still decide to vote for a third candidate, you’re an idiot. Work to make this a reality within four years, for the next four years, if you don’t do it and just complain you’re an asshole.
I don’t understand how you can get this so easily but people in our own damn country are literally not capable
Many of them are perfectly capable, but simply don’t care if Trump wins, despite their claims. They’re fine with fascism, as long as they don’t have to feel bad.
Some people disgust me ngl
if they do they won’t drop out, and they won’t be a green party candidate.
It’s that simple, if a third party drops out it’s because they think they’re going to harm the chances of one side winning the vote.
The likelihood of a third party winning is very low. Especially if they’re an independent.
The trouble with never voting for a 3rd party is that you enable the 2 party system, which fundamentally promotes tribalism, division, and corruption.
Whats worse is that it snowballs and is completely out of control. There was a time when I would say that it’s worth voting for a candidate that will never get elected to sway future policy, but although it’s always felt like the other guy I’d going to ruin everything, it’s truer now than it has ever been. And it won’t stop at Trump. Trump could be dead, some equally craven ghoul would take his place. That ship will never turn, it will only pull away from the Democrats. Nothing can ever progress. There is only the fight.
America is a cautionary tale.
If your country is lucky enough to have 3 or more major political forces, keep that alive.
vote for voting reform in your state. That solves most of that problem.
There is an option if you really care enough about this. It works to promote a third party during the four years between presidential elections. local, state and federal elections in the middle of the electoral cycle are much more influential than is often believed and if enough people work on it, it would not be so unimaginable for a third candidate to have the proper impact. Watch the tea party and follow their example in the opposite direction.
If you don’t care enough to work on it for four years, well, maybe you don’t care enough
I feel unrepresented.
Harris will continue to work with the DNC for major donors and against the people.
Trump is allowing Nationalist Christians to infiltrate the government.
Please give me a shame box too.
No need for shame. There is nothing wrong with how you feel.
Unfortunately the Democratic party became conservative and the Republican party went batshit insane because of it.
trump is back to leading in the polls, folks. pull your heads out of your asses.
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NO ONE is a perfect candidate
We can change the Dems and push them towards actually being good by just uncritically voting for them every election I see no flaw in this plan.
Not to mention showing up for the primaries too.
It fucking mystifies me that people will condemn the dems for never voting for progressives in primaries, and then just never turn out to the primaries themselves.
Primary turnout is consistently pathetic and an abject condemnation of the wannabe revolutionaries who speak with fire then act with all the likewise energy of cosmic background radiation.
“I don’t understand what a primary is”, the voter.
Let me check who I could’ve voted for Dem presidential candidate this year in the primaries. Here’s the list:
Oh I should’ve voted in 2020? I could’ve chose between:
- Biden (no)
- Bernie “Israel has every right to defend itself” Sanders
- Bloomberg (lmao)
Biden (no)
why not biden? His admin has been pretty productive in the term they’ve had thus far, pushing through multiple legislative accomplishments, only heeded by the worst of the worst (the border)
Could it be, among other things, unwavering support for a genocidal nation with b/millions in arms shipments to help them get it done?
i mean, that’s one reason to not vote for him.
Let’s have a look at the other candidate in the 2020 election:
- trump
oh…
Alright, so, being a single issue voter is bad, very bad, and if that’s your approach to political thought you should feel bad
and that includes if your single issue is Palestine
“Bernie Sanders isn’t pure enough for me” Jesus fucking Christ.
Like, how left do you think the electorate in this country is, exactly?
If it makes you feel any better I did vote for him in the primaries.
He’s one of the leftmost politicians in the entire country. And the electorate itself is not exactly ready to sing the Internationale. So you’re here bitching for what?
“Voting for the more left of the two parties won’t move them left!”
“Okay, vote for the leftmost candidate in the primaries.”
“None of them were pure enough for me.”
“Bernie is one of the leftmost figures in the entire country.”
“Well, I did vote for him.”
???
Did you vote for him expecting a Sanders victory wouldn’t move the party left? Were you just having fun filling out your ballot?
Fuck’s sake.
I don’t think electoralism is enough to overturn the system no. I’ll participate in it insofar as filling out a bubble takes almost no effort. Don’t expect me to be enthusiastic about it.
Moving the system left is not the same as overturning it. A leaning structure is easier to topple in a direction than an upright one.
Moving the system left and accepting that the system isn’t going to be simply voted into oblivion are not mutually exclusive.
Best to wait until the opposition isn’t someone who will straight up take away your ability to vote in the first place.
wait im sorry what the fuck does this mean?
I’m so confused? This isn’t a russia disinformation post is it?
I’ll be waiting here on this bench
You could make this meme replacing Harris with Trump in the text and replacing Trump with Harris in the pictures and it would be exactly as true, which is to say, not.
It’s the GOP that increases their chance of winning the fewer voters vote. They actively try to suppress voters. The more people that vote the higher chance the democrats win
Regardless, not voting or voting third party is not a vote for either major party’s candidate, as the meme implies.
I’m still going to tick the Kamala box, but I’m ashamed of how little she’s trying to be a good candidate. After Nov4, I’ll get going with direct action.
What specifically do you think she should do better on?
Medicare for All. The insurance pyramid scheme is getting more and more insane
She was a big champion of Medicare for all in 2020. It is indeed a shame she isn’t talking about it now like she did last election. Judging from her 2020 rhetoric though, it is definitely something she would be open to doing if given a cooperative government, I think.
“open to” it is good, sure, but I want her to champion it. Bully pulpit and all that
We operate with a vibes based approach here
/s 🙄
Main issue for most people is the fact that she’s not trying harder to stop Israel from killing Palestinians.
Well, there’s not much she can do atm as vice-president. It’s very well-known that Biden is very pro-Israeli.
Her rhetoric on the topic as a candidate has been very mixed. She’s been improving since she had that meeting with Uncommitted leaders. Hopefully she can have a better plan than “ask nicely for a ceasefire” to present to voters before the election.
Harris said that as president, she would maintain the US alliance with Israel and “ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself.”
To most people that sounds like she’ll keep sending weapons which will then be used to murder Palestinians.
Man you must really be angry at the rest of world too right? I mean at least her team is working for a cease fire, that’s more than the rest of the world is doing. Or are you pushing some form of narrative?
Oh and I’m sure your response will have something to say about dems not doing anything, need to cut funding, ect. I’ll say there’s a 10 year weapons contract that was signed in 2016. Then you’ll bring up the Leahy Law, then I’ll bring up without Israel Iran will run roughshot over the middle east killing loads of people.
Then we can go back and forth, I’ll ask two questions, you’ll answer one of them with some bullshit.
So, you can save it, I’ll leave it as it is and I’ll continue to be disgusted with Israel and the world by not stepping up and stopping the genocide. You can keep posting bullshit about it being the dems fault.
I was just answering a question with information I have gathered reading comments around here. Even the way I phrased it didn’t really include myself. Not sure why you inferred that I was so angry. If anything, your response is angry.
You’re ok dude. It sounds like this guy/gal has had similar conversations and was frustrated by them. Understandable on both sides.
Thanks <3
That is true, there’s a lot of bad actors here that you can’t mention what they really are or you’ll catch a ban. He/she looked liked one. If you ask these actors more than one question they consistently will use quotes and only answer one question, then spew their bullshit, It’s the “tell”. My frustration is with the mods that see this shit, see the reports, and do nothing.
So, you can save it, I’ll leave it as it is and I’ll continue to be disgusted with Israel and the world by not stepping up and stopping the genocide. You can keep posting bullshit about it being the dems fault.
Bullshit?
Harris has not indicated that she would waver in weapons sales to Israel and has not shown breaks with Biden’s handling of the war, aside from slight changes in rhetoric when addressing the human suffering in Gaza.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4862241-harris-palestinian-activists-israel-gaza/
Also:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/23/briefing/kamala-harris-convention-speech.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4852729-harris-issues-center-shifted/
I’m voting for her because she’s not Trump, with the full knowledge and expectation that she’s not going to do shit on Gaza, Police Reform, UBI, M4A, Gun Violence, or anything else that might ruffle the feathers of the “center.”
Is it OK with you for me to be vocally upset about it, in exchange for giving her my vote?
…without Israel Iran will run roughshot over the middle east killing loads of people.
Israel is, as of 2024, running roughshot over the middle east, killing 40,000 people.
Then we can go back and forth, I’ll ask two questions, you’ll answer one of them with some bullshit.
This sounds oddly like the debate surrounding Vietnam during the war, and comprises a lot of debate on the United States of America being the “world police”. As for me, the United States has failed to be any sort of world police. There is incredible polarization in its political parties, several territories that are governed yet cannot vote, the last two presidents both lying and suffering from old age, and a well-known problem of candidates being paid off. If the U.S. cannot be run well internally, it has no business meddling with foreign affairs, which includes giving weapons and troops to Israel. Despite the cruelty of Israel, there remains a bigger problem to solve–that being an incompetent nation having an excessively high military and an interventionist outlook.
people need to get over the israel/palestine thing. they’re going to kill each other. there’s nothing you can do about it. your precious conscience is not the most important thing in the world. if you get bogged down on one issue, you will miss the bigger issue.
Well, Israel offers the US a lot strategically, which is why we financially support them. Those finances could go to M4All. But we might be in a worse economic position if Israel loses, so we can’t fund stuff then either. That’s why Israel is hotly debated, outside of the humanity aspect (which no one cares about anyway or we’d be in other wars too).
Exactly, her winning is not the end. We need to apply a massive amount of pressure since she is a neoliberal.
Who the fuck is disliking? This is it. We need to apply the pressure after Drumpf is taken care of.
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