Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

Last week’s thread

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

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      If you want decentralized systems you have to take the good with the bad. It’s part of the game

      I wonder if these people are at all familiar with the stages of grief

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    Exciting times in wordpress/automattic land. Mullenweg and co are being sued by WP Engine, who apparently have a wordpress commercial offering which is awful and evil, unlike his own commercial wordpress offering which is just fine, and you can tell because he can use the wordpress(.)org blog which is the mouthpiece of the FOSS project he builds upon to tell you that people who don’t pay him lots of money are cancer.

    https://notes.ghed.in/posts/2024/matt-mullenweg-wp-engine-debacle/

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    Screwing up the night sky: not just for SpaceX anymore! Texas Startup Keeps Launching These Obnoxiously Large Satellites—and the Worst Is Yet to Come.

    Thursday’s launch saw the first commercial satellites in orbit, and AST SpaceMobile wants to build a constellation of more than 100 satellites. On its own, one satellite is bright enough to mess with observations of the cosmos.

    BlueWalker 3 appeared as bright as two of the ten brightest stars in the night sky, Procyon and Achernar, through the lenses of different telescopes, according to a Nature study published in October 2023.

    Made in TX — size matters!

    I get why 5G in remote areas would be neat. But surely there are other (more expensive?) ways to achieve similar-ish safety / rescue / navigation / rural broadband sorts results without cluttering the sky or being all hyper-capitalistic about it. Not at all my area though.

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      The bragging about the size is what gets me. It’s such obvious news-baiting, with no real effort to ask why it needs to be so large or if this is a worthwhile tradeoff. It’s especially egregious when SpaceX and friends’ massive volume of launches are accelerating Kessler syndrome and the plan to burn them up on reentry at scale is adding a whole lot of bad stuff to the atmosphere.

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      […] the tech giant would buy 100 percent of its power for 20 years.

      I want them to fucking choke on this deal when the bubble bursts.

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        I live like 15mi from there, I would prefer the containment bubble to stay intact. But the tech bubble is welcome to go blow up any moment

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      “to give you more AI slop we have to restart TMI” is going to do wonders for the public’s opinion of Big Tech

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      God almighty, the hubris to think that they’ll this thing will be ready to go before the end of the decade. Who’s going to be the prime contractor, I wonder? Bechtel?

      Also, this gem inserted at the end as if it’s nothing…I’m all for fusion research, but this is not happening by 2028. Someone needs to get the hook for Satya at this point, he’s just lighting money on fire.

      Microsoft is also pursuing power from nuclear fusion, a potentially abundant, cheap and clean form of electricity that scientists have been trying to develop for decades — and most say is still a decade or more away from generating electricity. Microsoft has signed a contract to purchase fusion energy from a start-up that claims it can deliver it by 2028.

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      How the heck have people become so… blasé about climate change?? It is wild to me. If we’re restarting nuclear reactors, with everything that entails, it should be with the goal of shutting down gas or coal power. Not to do more unsustainable garbage on top of all the existing unsustainable garbage.

      Feels like the world’s just given up sometimes, even though it’s not quite too late.

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        Yea, I’m glad a nuclear plant is being restored but it sucks that it’s because of fucking plagi-o-matic.

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    oh hey, balaji’s lord of the flies cosplay island thing starts tomorrow

    guess we should prepare for a flood of impression thinkpieces and naval-gazing wankery

    (yes that’s intentional. no I’m not sorry)

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      I won’t be satisfied until I see a picture of the living accommodations that isn’t an AI render of a futuristic skyscraper. I need to know how shitty the tents are gosh darn it.

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          I’m gonna honestly be a little disappointed to see this fail not for any of the reasons why authoritarianism is a bad politics, but just because the authoritarians in this case are going to be dumb enough to forget to arrange for sewage collection or something.

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            “PEOPLE JUST DON’T WANT TO WORK ANYMORE!” the programmer shouts as he drowns in his own poop.

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    Orange site on pager bombs in Lebanon:

    If we try to do what we are best at here at HN, let’s focus the discussion on the technical aspects of it.

    It immediately reminded me of Stuxnet, which also from a technical perspective was quite interesting.

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        If HN is best at technical discussion that just means they’re even worse at everything else!

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            My joke didn’t land apparently but I did not mean to imply they were particularly good at technical explanations. Adjusted the working a smidge.

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      technical aspect seems to be for now that israeli secret services intercepted and sabotaged thousands of pagers to be distributed for hezbollah operatives, then blew them up all at once. it does look like small, reportedly less than 20g each explosive charge, but orange site accepted truth is that it was haxxorz blowing up lithium batteries. israelis already did exactly this thing but with phone in targeted assassination, and actual volume of such bomb would be tiny (about 10ml)

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    Behind the Bastards is starting a series about Yarvin today. Always appreciate it when they wander into our bailiwick!

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      Also means we’re likely to have a better jumping on point to explain these people to those who aren’t already here. Hope he does one on Yud and friends in the not too distant future.

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    The robots clearly want us dead – “Delivery Robot Knocked Over Pedestrian, Company Offered ‘Promo Codes’ to Apologize” (404 media) (archive)

    And here rationalists warned that AI misalignment would be hidden from us until the “diamonoid bacteria”.

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      This reminded me of that prediction I made w.r.t the “AI Doom” criti-hype (and touched on after SB 1047 popped up) back when OpenAI was gunning (heh) for DoD dollars.

      Personally, I suspect that this might provide another case of “AI doom” becoming a double-edged sword for the AI industry. What can be dismissed as a simple error on their products’ parts gets potentially a lot more problematic to deal with when a vocal minority is primed to find malice where none exists.

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      I literally just saw a xitter post about how the exploding pagers in Lebanon is actually a microcosm of how a ‘smarter’ entity (the yahood) can attack a ‘dumber’ entity, much like how AGI will unleash the diamond bacterium to simultaneously kill all of humanity.

      Which again, both entities are humans- they have the same intelligence you twats. Same argument people make all the time w.r.t. Spanish v Aztecs where gunpowder somehow made Cortez and company gigabrains compared to the lowly indigenous people (and totally ignoring the contributions of the real super intelligent entity: the small pox virus).

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        OK new rule you’re only allowed to call someone dumb for not finding explosives in their pagers if you had, previously to hearing the news, regularly checked with no specialized tools all electronics you buy for bombs hidden inside of the battery compartment.

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      If only we had paid attention to the roomba hitting us in the leg. It wasn’t adorable, it was a murder attempt!

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    I literally just sat down with coffee to check if the new stubsack needs to be made

    brava

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        there’s a Trade Secret I could tell you! (the cross-post or view source buttons, with appropriate mini trimming)

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          Minor personal annoyance is the lack of link back to the previous thread. But still thanks for the hard / quick work yall. wow guess I missed the link. ;)

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      it’s even funnier than that (albeit also super depressing, in some ways)

      primer: hilmar (the head honcho at ccp) has been “crypto = bae” for going on 5~6y now (that I’m aware of, maybe longer), to the point that there are pictures of the guy at chain confs from around then, and mentions of people talking with him in The Private Backrooms at said chain confs. it’s been his darling and he has wanted very, very hard to put it into tq (the main game server). see this for example (and fwiw, warning: eve reddit)

      in-fill: there also appears to be quite a bit of cart before the horse element in how the company operates - they will frequently first work on something, then when it starts getting near release they’ll send out some surveys that almost without fail have some extremely loaded questions in them. an example would be that instead of asking players what they generally think of xyz feature/intended mechanic/etc, the survey will instead garden path answers along, attempting to manufacture consent/compliance.

      and, last little detail: keep in mind this is a game where people will min-max the everloving shit out of something, and where a fair number of people out there are willing to trade actual time to making in-game money with which to fund their gametime (“plexing”). people who would be willing to engage with some really ridiculous abstract/effortful shit for whatever gains they could, just because they could.

      so with that said, during 2021/2022 (in the middle of the NFT tsunami of shit) the first big round of “we want to add NFTs to tq” came about. and there were a fair amount of indications that ccp had already sunk quite a bunch of devtime on it, and were getting ready to roll it out. the pitch was, uh, “not well received” would be putting it extremely lightly. it was panned so fucking extremely, they had to put out this newsblog which included the remarkably tortured phrase “Not For Tranquility”

      which is the early strand of what leads us to this particular little “gem”. it’s hard to get specific details because they’re fairly tight-lipped about internal processes and shit, so the following is definitely heavily conjecture. hilmar didn’t want to break up with his bae, and kept pushing trying to keep this alive, somehow. whether the drive for this is also tied up with the Pearl Abyss acquisition some years prior is unclear (but Black Desert Online players all cried wolf when PA bought CCP, and said to expect increasing financial fuckery). what does appear to be the case is that a number of developers (possibly the pro-NFT among them) got sequestered off to the Special Project that became this thing, along with the a16z money a while back. the general feeling in the eve:o community is still largely “get fucked”, and this project is likely to be double-stillborn (on account of dead kriptoes and an unwanted game/product)

      I look forward in earnest to see just how dead it is on arrival

      [0] - it took less than 2mo from the “would you like to play a fps in the eve universe? what would you want in it? what do you normally do in eve? what would you do in an eve-universe fps? why would you want your eve …” survey going out to the announcement “hey surprise! we have an fps!”[1]

      [1] - again. they’ve failed a few times, with multiples out. ccp product leadership real bad.

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        Man this company has had some really interesting ideas and then the execution always falters.

        I was still subscribed when the first eve-fps crossover they attempted. it seemed great and then for whatever reason a console exclusive with a subscription fee ontop. They didnt get the numbers they were planning for and the whole thing just died on the vine.

        They’ve had some neat tech here and there and the whole experience is great for building out your psychopathy but i lost interest after the Greed Is Good phase of CCCP games started.

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      I admit, in my haste, I read that link as Marc Andreessen openly announcing they’re investing in the Chinese Communist Party, which is slightly funnier than the reality of yet another crypto game.

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    A lemmy-specific coiner today: https://awful.systems/post/2417754

    The dilema of charging the users and a solution by integrating blockchain to fediverse

    First, there will be a blockchain. There will be these cryptocurrencies:

    This guy is speaking like he is in Genesis 1

    I guess it would be better that only the instances can own instance-specific coins.

    You guess alright? You mean that you have no idea what you’re saying.

    if a user on lemmy.ee want to post on lemmy.world, then lemmy.ee have to pay 10 lemmy.world coin to lemmy.world

    What will this solve? If 2 people respond to each other’s comments, the instance with the most valuable coin will win. What does that have to do with who caused the interaction?

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      if a user on lemmy.ee want to post on lemmy.world, then lemmy.ee have to pay 10 lemmy.world coin to lemmy.world

      Note that you don’t need cryptocurrencies for this. I think Jaron Lanier talked about an idea like this ages ago, before people tried to put cryptocurrencies into everything.

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      Yes crypto instances, please all implement this and “disallow” everyone else from interacting with you! I promise we’ll be sad and not secretly happy and that you’ll make lots of money from people wanting to interact with you.

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      1 post 6 comments joined 3 months ago, “i’m naive to crypto” “I want to host an instance that serves as a competitive alternative to Facebook/Threads/X to the users in my country,”

      yeah he doesn’t even have to charge for interacting with him i’ll avoid him without it

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    Timnit Gebru on Twitter:

    We received feedback from a grant application that included “While your impact metrics & thoughtful approach to addressing systemic issues in AI are impressive, some reviewers noted the inherent risks of navigating this space without alignment with larger corporate players,”

    https://xcancel.com/timnitGebru/status/1836492467287507243

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    I signed up for the Urbit newsletter many moons ago when I was a little internet child. Now, it’s a pretty decent source of sneers. This month’s contains: “The First Wartime Address with Curtis Yarvin”. In classic Moldbug fashion, it’s Two Hours and Forty Fucking Five minutes long. I’m not going to watch the whole thing, but I’ll try to mine the transcript for sneers.

    26:23 –

    Simplicity in them you know it runs on a virtual machine who specification Nock [which] fits on a T-shirt and uh you know the goal of the system is to basically take this kind of fundamental mathematical simplicity of Nock and maintain that simplicity all the way to user space so we create something that’s simple and easy to use that’s not a small amount of of work

    Holy fucking shit, does this guy really think building your entire software stack on brainfuck makes even a little bit of sense at all?

    30:17 – a diatribe about how social media can only get worse and how Facebook was better than myspace because its original users were at the top of the social hierarchy. Obviously, this bodes well for urbit because all of you spending 3 hours of your valuable time listening to this wartime address? You’re the cream of the crop.

    ~2:00:00 – here he addresses concerns about his political leanings, caricaturing the concern as “oh Yarvin wants to make this a monarchy” and responding by saying “nuh uh, urbit is decentralized.” Absent from all this is any meaningful analysis of how decentralized systems (such as the internet itself) eventually tend to centralized systems under certain incentive structures. Completely devoid of substance.

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      Is he inscrutable/obscurantist on purpose, or is it because he never had a proper humanities education nor an editor?

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        It has been suggested, either on this site or by people who pop up here a lot, that the idiosyncratic (eg. Fucking Weird) design of hoon and nock was a deliberate attempt to build something akin to cult mysteries, where not just anyone could grasp it and the initiates had powers that the ignorant outsiders would not, etc etc.

        Unfortunately, whilst he’s clearly not stupid, Yarvin isn’t nearly as clever as he thinks he is, and has ended up producing a load of unwieldy cryptic nonsense that no one can work with. I expect this applies to other things he does, too.

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        He shares a lot of speaking patterns with obvious cranks. I’ve spent some time listening to people who think they’ve figured out quantum gravity and the way they make little digressions sounds exactly like Yarvin does in this video. It’s not rigorous, but if I didn’t know who Yarvin was before watching this video I’m pretty sure I would have thought “crank” and quickly clicked away.

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          This is an fantastic point. I could absolutely see him mailing weird things to a university physics department in an alternate timeline.

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    Despite Soatak explicitely warning users that posting his latest rant[1] to the more popular tech aggregators would lead to loss of karma and/or public ridicule, someone did just that on lobsters and provoked this mask-slippage[2]. (comment is in three paras, which I will subcomment on below)

    Obligatory note that, speaking as a rationalist-tribe member, to a first approximation nobody in the community is actually interested in the Basilisk and hasn’t been for at least a decade. As far as I can tell, it’s a meme that is exclusively kept alive by our detractors.

    This is the Rationalist version of the village worthy complaining that everyone keeps bringing up that one time he fucked a goat.

    Also, “this sure looks like a religion to me” can be - and is - argued about any human social activity. I’m quite happy to see rationality in the company of, say, feminism and climate change.

    Sure, “religion” is on a sliding scale, but Big Yud-flavored Rationality ticks more of the boxes on the “Religion or not” checklist than feminism or climate change. In fact, treating the latter as a religion is often a way to denigrate them, and never used in good faith.

    Finally, of course, it is very much not just rationalists who believe that AI represents an existential risk. We just got there twenty years early.

    Citation very much needed, bub.


    [1] https://soatok.blog/2024/09/18/the-continued-trajectory-of-idiocy-in-the-tech-industry/

    [2] link and username witheld to protect the guilty. Suffice to say that They Are On My List.

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      Obligatory note that, speaking as a rationalist-tribe member, to a first approximation nobody in the community is actually interested in the Basilisk and hasn’t been for at least a decade.

      Sure, but that doesn’t change that the head EA guy wrote an OP-Ed for Time magazine that a nuclear holocaust is preferable to a world that has GPT-5 in it.

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          Finally, of course, it is very much not just rationalists who believe that AI represents an existential risk. We just got there twenty years early.

          This one?

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      nobody in the community is actually interested in the Basilisk

      except the ones still getting upset over it, but if we deny their existence as hard as possible they won’t be there

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        The reference to the Basilisk was literally one sentence and not central to the post at all, but this big-R Rationalist couldn’t resist on singling it out and loudly proclaiming it’s not relevant anymore. The m’lady doth protest too much.

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      nobody in the community is actually interested in the Basilisk

      But you should, yall created an idea which some people do take seriously and it is causing them mental harm. In fact, Yud took it so seriously in a way that shows that he either beliefs in potential acausal blackmail himself, or that enough people in the community believe it that the idea would cause harm.

      A community he created to help people think better. Which now has a mental minefield somewhere but because they want to look sane to outsiders now people don’t talk about it. (And also pretend that now mentally exploded people don’t exist). This is bad.

      I get that we put them in a no-win situation, either take their own ideas seriously enough to talk about acausal blackmail. And then either help people by disproving the idea, or help people by going ‘this part of our totally Rational way of thinking is actually toxic and radioactive and you should keep away from it (A bit like Hegel am I right(*))’. Which makes them look a bit silly for taking it seriously (of which you could say who cares?), or a bit openly culty if they go with the secret knowledge route. Or they could pretend it never happened and never was a big deal and isn’t a big deal in an attempt to not look silly. Of course, we know what happened, and that it still is causing harm to a small group of (proto)-Rationalists. This option makes them look insecure, potentially dangerous, and weak to social pressure.

      That they do the last one, while have also written a lot about acausal trading, which just shows they don’t take their own ideas that seriously. Or if it is an open secret to not talk openly about acausal trade due to acausal blackmail it is just more cult signs. You have to reach level 10 before they teach you about lord Xeno type stuff.

      Anyway, I assume this is a bit of a problem for all communal worldbuilding projects, eventually somebody introduces a few ideas which have far reaching consequences for the roleplay but which people rather not have included. It gets worse when the non-larping outside then notices you and the first reaction is to pretend larping isn’t that important for your group because the incident was a bit embarrassing. Own the lightning bolt tennis ball, it is fine. (**)

      *: I actually don’t know enough about philosophy to know if this joke is correct, so apologies if Hegel is not hated.

      **: I admit, this joke was all a bit forced.

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    so mozilla decided to take the piss while begging for $10 donations:

    We know $10 USD may not seem like enough to reclaim the internet and take on irresponsible tech companies. But the truth is that as you read this email, hundreds of Mozilla supporters worldwide are making donations. And when each one of us contributes what we can, all those donations add up fast.

    With the rise of AI and continued threats to online privacy, the stakes of our movement have never been higher. And supporters like you are the reason why Mozilla is in a strong position to take on these challenges and transform the future of the internet.

    the rise of AI you say! wow that sounds awful, it’s so good Mozilla isn’t very recently notorious for pushing that exact thing on their users without their consent alongside other privacy-violating changes. what a responsible tech company!

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      upside of this: they’ll get told why they’re not getting many of those $10 donations

      downside of that (rejection): that could be exactly what one of the ghouls-in-chief there need to push some or other bullshit

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        the ability of Mozilla’s executives and PMs to ignore public outcry is incredible, but not exactly unexpected from a thoroughly corrupt non-profit

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          could revitalise the ivory trade by mining these towers

          (/s, about the trade bit)

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      We know $10 USD may not seem like enough to reclaim the internet with the browser we barely maintain and take on irresponsible tech companies that pay us vast sums of money. But the truth is that as you read this email, hundreds of Mozilla supporters worldwide haven’t realized we’re a charity racket dressed up as a browser who will spend all your money on AI and questionable browser plugins. And when each one of us contributes what we can, we can waste the money all the faster!

      With the rise of AI (you’re welcome, by the way, for the MDN AI assistant) and continued threats to online privacy like question like integrating a Mr. Robot Ad into firefox without proper code review, the stakes of our movement have never been higher. And marks supporters like you are the reason why Mozilla is in such a strong position to take on these challenges and transform the future of the internet in any way we know how – except by improving our browser of course that would be silly.

      (I’m feeling extra cynical today)

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        Gaslighting? What are you talking about? There’s no such thing as gaslighting. Maybe you’re going crazy