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I mean could also go out like the guy who everyone would remember, who burned himself for some cause and everyone just forgot about him. Man, what a thing
It won’t last longer than another week!
Shower thought with no evidence:
Perhaps some big news will come out that distracts us from this soon. It’ll have to be pretty wild to distract us, so buckle up.
They’re already on to drones.
Just have a cop egregiously murder a black person in broad daylight on a high definition camera.
Then let him get away with it.
If you can spell “DDD” you can help keep it going.
Douglas “Doug” Dimmadome, co-owner of Dimmadelphia, founder of the Dimmsdale Dimmadome, father of Dale Dimmadome, and grandfather of Dev Dimmadome
Donkey Dong Doug?
marketing hirelings will sabotage the narrative with BS to make it go away.
They’re gonna attempt to do so. There’s no guarantee it will work.
Over advertising has inured most consumers to these practices. Especially younger ones.
This will probably be taken down, but psychology is what I do so here it is. This is not endorsement this is an explanation as to why there’s different sentiment for this shooting.
This was stated in Trevor Noah’s latest podcast in open discussion. Josh Johnson raises the point. Most gun violence stories on the news, people personally feel threatened. Outraged that they or theirs could be at a music festival, a movie, at school. Most assholes with a gun are killing innocent people, never mind all the other bits. And most are clearly a little “crazy.”
This was targeted, killer on killer, no collateral (death/injury) damage. The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage. There’s even a lady with coffee who walks on scene then nopes out unharmed.
This isn’t endorsement. This WHY the public as a whole doesn’t seem to mind. The guy who died killed thousands. That solves the innocent part. The killer doesn’t feel threatening to any of us. Because he’s not. That solves the threat. As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.
And so we find ourselves in an unusual space. Understandably so. This is new.
No I didn’t read the article.
Sure. Can you explain why this guy gets charged with terrorism, but school shooters and Jan 6ers don’t?
Perception management, probably. I thought terrorism applied to upsetting state entities not private ones. How, by any stretch of the imagination, is a private health insurance company part of the United States government? It’s bizarre. Jan 6 would fall under that umbrella for sure.
What do you think?
My thoughts is they’re making an example of him because he went after the true ruling class - CEOs. And the Jan 6 ers went after “the help” so the cops don’t care. Just like when the children of the masses are gunned down in schools. Get a school shooter at the private academy the president’s kids all attend and suddenly the ruling class will care.
“The help”. That deserves more attention.
As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.
Just curious, what do you mean by “gun arguments aside”?
I’m a gun owner. There is a subset of people who think that alone makes you unhinged as a human being.
Luigi is just crazy enough to do what he did (allegedly). Probably not even a gun owner beyond an engineer guy makes this tool/thing on his printer and then learns how to become proficient using that tool/thing. I don’t think Luigi was LARPing training exercises with an AK, with friends, in the northern MI woods. I think he probably approached it the same way the rest of us would approach learning Linux for our next PC build.
I see, thanks for the clarification! I thought you were referring to the actual manifesto, and I was going to point out that the supposed real one didn’t mention guns at all, but if I recall correctly the fake one did. So never mind me.
Shit, now I’m wondering. I’m talking about the pseudo apologetic one that talks about printing the gun. Not being the best person to decide this, etc.
Oh, I think that’s the real one. Really short, only mentions CAD instead of actually printing the gun, and refers to Moore who can explain things better.
On that note, Moores reaction is interesting.
For sure, I thought the same thing.
The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage.
Given his falling out with his ex-wife and penchant for alcoholism, they’re arguably better off without him, assuming he wasn’t already a deadbeat dad.
The killer is not threatening to you until semeone decides that you deserve to be killed.
Yes, exactly. I don’t think there is anyone in the world who knows me and believes that I, specifically, deserve to be killed. I think almost every person feels the same way. The rare exception being someone who has intentionally profoundly harmed or killed people.
Have you killed thousands of people through insurance denials to make a quick buck? No?
Then you’re fine.
I see you getting downvoted but a lot of doctors get death threats too, and while everyone seems to have a horror story about a doctor they didn’t like, I’m pretty sure most are the scapegoats of a broken system. So yeah, while Luigi’s target was well-chosen, I don’t trust every vigilante to be as smart.
a lot of doctors get death threats too
I gotta wonder at the folks who have bombed (or threatened to bomb) abortion clinics and been lionized by pro-Life advocates. Even granted clemency by ultra-right wing Republican governors.
None of them seem particularly enthusiastic about this slaying, though.
So yeah, while Luigi’s target was well-chosen, I don’t trust every vigilante to be as smart.
The starkest comparison I’ve seen is Daniel Perry - who strangled a man to death on the subway - getting box seats with the President/VP and a full throated cheer from folks on the right.
Meanwhile, Luigi has enormous mainstream appeal, but enjoys virtually no positive coverage among liberals on the left.
The division is stark. It’s very obvious that vigilantism is encouraged by the state when it targets certain people. CEOs just aren’t on the approved list.
That’s why I think we should have a crowd funding campaign to build a big bronze statue of the guy. You know, those aren’t as expensive as you might think. Some searching suggests they can be built for $25k-250k. That seems well within the range of a crowd funding campaign. And unlike copy cat attacks or making death threats, there’s nothing illegal about building a statue to someone. At the same time, imagine what a message it would send if 100,000 people each gave a few dollars to build a statue to Luigi.
As far as location, I can think of two. One would be as close to the shooting site as possible. The other? On a main road outside of United Healthcare’s headquarters in Minnesota. I want ever UHC employee to have to drive past a big statue of Luigi as they go into work each day. A durable reminder of just what we think of them.
And if some vandals destroy the statue? We’ll build it again, but even BIGGER.
I haven’t killed tens of thousands of sick people so I’m safe.
Someone might decide that something else you did is wrong.
That could happen any day but how is that fact relevant?
Do you want to live in a society where anyone can kill you because they think you’re a bad person?
I would absolutely love to live in a different world where everything is marijuana, video games and puppies. But we don’t live there, which is why the work class must remain armed no matter the pretext.
I could get shot in a school shooting that wasnt prevented because despite the outrage of the Democratic party no one wanted to impliment perimeter fences, check points, metal detectors, or building a police station next door or inside every school of the nation. It would still be true that the working class must remain armed.
We live in the shitter multiverse, and it is not a good place to be. Accept this fact of life.
Any idiot in a car can kill me at any time, because he’s getting road rage. I’m living in Europe, grew up in the 80s where nuclear war was a very real danger that could break out any moment, vaporizing all the cities. Even though we were allies of the US, highways were prepared to be outfitted with nuclear mines so the Russians couldn’t roll all over Western Europe. We have a war right now next to our countries which could turn into WW3 at any time. A close friend of mine is Bosnian, she has seen the fighting in the Balkans few years agom
People kill each other all the time, because they consider each other bad persons. I just refuse to live in fear.
And the longer I live, the more I believe in violence as a legitimate defense. If someone shot Putin tomorrow, I would be happy. If someone had shot Hitler in the 30s the would would probably have been a better place.
So where is the line that divides killing someone is a good thing vs a bad thing? I used to believe it is always evil, but I can’t anymore.
We already do. You can already buy a gun, get it the same day, and straight up shoot someone with minimal barriers. What are you on about? Children are sacrificed every day and now that a CEO is dead its a huge problem?
No, but I don’t want to live in a society where people in power just let people in need die
That’s all of human history and will never change.
However, now that the untouchable monsters that run things are getting a taste, things are just a tiny bit better.
That’s today. That’s our current reality. That’s the society that I already live in, because I’m a horrible, nasty, evil person who rides a bicycle to get places.
I’m in Madison, Wisconsin, too, so it’s rather fresh in my mind that anyone can kill me just randomly out of the blue.
That’s the point. “WHY” did they decide it had to be you.
You mean someone like Brian Thompson?
You mean Brian Robert Thompson?
It’s a long standing tradition to refer to serial killers by their full name. Think John Wayne Gacy. It seems appropriate here.
semeone decides
I would simply not deny Luigi his health care. And I’d sleep easy.
Someone else may decide to kill you for a different reason.
That’s a risk we’ve always lived with.
That’s already true though. Anyone can kill anyone. It just costs the killer their freedom or their life.
So you’re upset that we killed Osama Bin Ladin then?
From what I can tell, Osama bin Laden was killed legally.
That’s a pretty dumb argument, this was a targeted killing. You’d be supportive of killing a major terrorist right? Most would, because the terrorist is evil and kills thousands of Innocents… Well it’s literally no different here. They can be against murder and yet still support killing a terrorist, which is what a Healthcare CEO is.
You watch yourself on that slippery slope now.
I would say that if you find this particular killer’s motives personally threatening, you should probably resign from your day job and move into your bunker.
If the person you’re replying to was a health insurance CEO I would be extremely supportive of that.
Someone, maybe, a fair point. It will probably happen at work if at all given the boring, “helper” life I lead.
But not this guy. That’s the salient point.
Found the CEO!
Having a wife and kids is not a free pass, and is no ethical shield. Fight me. Little Jimmy can cry about it in his nepo baby Ferrari.
I doubt this, just keep McDonald’s open and people will soon forget
I don’t want to go to Mcsnitch. Haven’t in many years.
Most definitely, he isn’t the unibomber largely indiscriminately killing people based on some ideological manifesto, he targeted someone in charge of driving many families into bankruptcy if not outright murdering patients with denials, and targeted a problem that many know to be true. They may be trying to rewrite the legacy of the CEO, but he was not “one of the good guys”.
Although there is some crossover to the unibomber’s manifesto, in the sense that where this would have been the breaking point in societies of the past waiting for a revolution, the new means of control and technology is being used to keep it under control, from all sides, even and specially those that abused social networks to put Trump in power. Can’t have the status quo of “[I can] stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody [but not you]” challenged.
Yes and, board members are the ones enabling the CEOs. They need to be targeted as well.
There’s a lot of overlap.
In recent years, around 30% of newly appointed board members in the S&P 500 have been active or retired CEOs.
And:
CEOs and directors with financial backgrounds constitute 59% of the incoming class of S&P 500 directors…
Source, for whatever it’s worth. I admittedly just did a cursory Google search out of curiosity and that’s what popped up, but I had a feeling it’d be a significant percentage.
Most definitely, he isn’t the unibomber largely indiscriminately killing people based on some ideological manifesto, he targeted someone in charge of driving many families into bankruptcy if not outright murdering patients with denials, and targeted a problem that many know to be true.
By my math, Brian Robert Thompson killed 40,000 people.
Will it? I’m already sensing it dying down. I think we need a refresher.
I feel like many people are secretly hoping for a refresher. Nobody just wants to say it out loud.
We need another dead CEO.
I assume that means you agree
Ayup, just couldn’t think of a witty caption so I invoked the Spirit of the Meme.
We’ve had one dead ceo, yes… But what about second dead ceo?
It’s interesting how memes took on different meanings depending on the community you were in when you initially saw it. Some of them are pretty globally recognized, and others are more vague.
I wonder how older ones will transform in a decade or so.
Overly attatched girlfriend just looks like a cute girl. Meanwhile the little girl who burned down that house is going to college. Reminding you just how old you are.
Oh look, it got said outloud.
eats popcorn
Someone should do a second CEO assassination but this time maybe the oil industry so they know that no CEO is safe.
Orrrrr…what if we got a casket industry ceo…you know. For the hilarious irony.
Big Casket is ripping people off with their over priced coffins.
This was already famously a problem back in the times of The Lebowski
I hate to say it, but I do need oil. Nobody should need USA-style health “insurance”.
Up-voted, but we only need oil at the moment because the oil industry keeps strangling baby competitors. A quick, non-sourced search shows that Oil got 90-ish Billion (1) in government subsidies in 2020, while Solar got 7. Even if the numbers are 50% of actual, Renewables are not getting the help they need to become/stay viable.
(1): And that might be a waaaaay low-ball estimate: Yale said they got Trillions. Though that may be over several years.
Perhaps lobbyists could be the next class identified as extraneous.
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree.
If anyone is thinking about copy catting they aren’t exactly going to be posting it to their socials.
No, but the news will cover it.
Would they?
Social media companies have been removing pro-Luigi content and people with big built up accounts are worried that too many violations of site standards could get their accounts killed.
Obsess away as long as it leads to more billionaires in the guillotine.
I just saw the news that they’ve charged him with terrorism. It’s like they want to keep the outrage going, and give the jury a reason to acquit.
They can charge him with whatever they want. Proving it to a jury is a whole other thing.
Most life insurance policies don’t cover acts of terrorism.
I’m just saying…
Not guilty. You can only murder human beings. Brian Robert Thompson willingly relinquished his humanity a long time ago. What Luigi did was more akin to using bleach to treat mold in the bathroom. Killing a living thing? Yes. Murder? Certainly not.
Daniel Jackson: It’s obviously fighting to survive.
O’Neill: So do bacteria!
Oh, one Luigi damaged your world? Institute health care reform, or we’ll send dozens of them, one after the other!
God. How was SG1 so damn good? Every few years I do a rewatch of the whole franchise. It’s a masterpiece.
Trek is my usual background show but I’m currently on a SG1 rewatch. It’s funny to see so many people from Trek show up in various roles, I think Hammond of Texas would fit perfectly as a statue in front of Starfleet Academy as a model of humanity’s ideals regarding exploration of the stars. Given access to advanced healing technology, both O’Neill and O’Brien would be busting heads to ensure everyone got a fair shake, they’d both despise a CEO like this one
My theory is that once you have a role as a main character in Star Trek, you’re pretty much stuck in sci fi. The exception to this is if you were already a well established actor prior to Trek. So Patrick Stewart could go back to high theatre, but Colm Meaney ended up mugging Atlantis for a little C4.
Ha! I’d forgot about that one, my favorite role of his outside engineering was the DEA asshole in Con Air who gets his sweet Corvette stolen in epic fashion
I think the Venn of actors doing sci fi shows and actors in the Vancouver area is pretty close, same with how every British show has at least one person from another. Some obviously like the genre, and who wouldn’t?
They’ve charged Brian Thompson with terrorism for what he did - or at least caused - to tens of thousands of people each year?
Finally they start to make sense!18 people died since you made this comment due to UHC greed.
What do you mean trump is a CEO?
Just waiting for someone to cry “Olly Olly Oxen Free”
Because he’s done more to fix our healthcare system than any politician.
I wouldn’t say fixed as things are the same way as they are, but reminded us how every day we are fucked by oligarchs.
This is a weird time as we just elected them, just look how many billionaires are in trump’s cabinet picks.
I mean, Anthem did back down from that stupid policy about time limit anesthesia
To fix is not the same thing as fixed. He’s done more towards fixing the problem. This said, it’s very important to reiterate, as you have, that nearly NOTHING hss still been accomplished.
as we just elected them
That’s because the system is rigged. We can only ever choose between one rich person and another.
You can’t compare Harris and Trump in that regard whatsoever
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Similar in the sense that one has an estimated net worth of three hundred times as much as the other.
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Both are equally in the realm of “rich” when compared to people living paycheck to paycheck.
He can fix us.
We need more Luigis for some more fixing.
Yeah this may be a bit of a clumsy comparison but he’s giving me John Brown vibes.
My insurance company just sent me a completely coincidental survey about my views towards them. I’m looking forward to going off on them when I have a moment. I’m sure it won’t do much but at least it should be cathartic.
“How do you feel about our service, with 10 being the highest?”
doesn’t circle 1-10, instead writes in “I have a gun”
Just don’t talk to any police that may call or show up. Because even suggesting that you’re angry at them is enough to give them protection.
See, cops are trained, in basic training to believe that EVERY civilian IS a threat to them. The original idea I’m sure was meant to be more like “every civilian CAN BE a threat to you”. Which is actually true. It’s meant to be more like danger on the streets can come at any time. Instead, it’s now taught as in every single cop IS being targeted by every single civilian with death threats. Which just factually is not true.
But my brain has an overactive imagination. MY brain likes to take absurd concepts and flesh them out to their realistic natural conclusions. What WOULD happen if every civilian wanted to kill every cop? And the answer all depends how far the government wants to go to protect cops. Because without military intervention, the end result is a lot of dead civilians, but also EVERY cop being killed too. And if that happens, or even threatens to realistically happen, do the military get called in to keep the people in line? And how do they handle it?
And there are three outcomes.
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Military says fuck this, and doesn’t get involved.
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Military gets involved, but gets swallowed by the vast overwhelming numbers of civilians. Without a military in place, the USA falls to another power. Maybe even a new internal one.
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The military treats the usa as a police state, and goes to war on itself. I’m talking full WWIII levels of violence. Atomic bombs, flame throwers, drones, they basically go scorched earth on itself.
And all of this can be completely sidetracked if the police don’t treat the people who’ve done nothing wrong as active threats.
What the shit, dude
My head is a very dark place where realism doesn’t die to protect the sugar coated mature of society.
Also, you don’t even WANT to know how life would turn out if cats suddenly gained the ability to talk. It would start would gender clashes among the poverty stricken, and would eventually turn into a world where chickens outnumber humans 100,000 to 1, but they’re just the pawns in the food wars. Shit gets real.
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I need deets on the chicken thing, NGL
As deranged as YaBoiBeefcat, but with better grammar.
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I’ve been surprised by how many people are celebrating this guy. Just goes to show how strongly the contempt is felt for the American healthcare system.
the American
healthcarewealthcare systemI think it’s more about class warfare than healthcare specifically. All my European friends are cheering him on too despite not experiencing hardship with healthcare
My girlfriend was very much in the club of “murder is bad no matter what” until I explained exactly why a health insurance CEO would be targeted.
I’ve been really wrestling with my own anti-violence and the now-obvious fact that violence gets results.
Violence, bribery and blackmail.
Everyone in Canada here loves him too. It’s absolutely about class warfare.
I mean…that doesn’t count. Canada loves EVERYODY. It’s the Mr Rodgers of countries. Not that that’s a bad thing. I’m just saying it carrys about as much weight as your grandma pinching your cheek and saying you’re the MOST handsome boy.
Lol you should ask Indians how they are being treated in Canada right now
Which Indians, the answer would probably be the same though.
We refer to first nations as indigenous in canada
See Starlight Tours for an insight into friendly Canadian police :/
Aside from the fact that you just offered a stereotype as an argument, you didn’t even get the stereotype right. Canadians don’t love everyone. Canadians are nice. That’s the stereotype.
…stereotype?
And we aren’t even nice. We are just spineless and struggle with honesty. It’s all just for show
I’ve now lived long enough to actually meet a couple of Canadian assholes. They exist.
Are you saying I’m not nice :(
lol we don’t love everyone. Ask a Canadian how they feel about Americans.
You should pay more attention to history. Specifically the wars we have been in…
As an American: it’s absolutely both.
Europeans are famously derisive of the American healthcare system though, so for whatever reason they seem to care specifically about his impact on that. I think in general America looms large around the world, economically, militarily, culturally. And certainly online. Having something to feel superior about seems to provide a channel for pent up frustration or resentment. Because believe me there’s no other reason for Europeans to care as much as they do about how much my healthcare costs.
When you remember when “pre-existing conditions” was a thing until Obama stopped it and the fear that it will be allowed again, you absolutely are not going to shed a damn tear. If you really want to be depressed, watch Sicko by Michael Moore. Things have changed a little bit since then, but the attitude of the insurance and big pharma have absolutely not. The no surprises act that went in this year was another step forward, but who knows how long it will stick. People still go to other countries to get medical procedures and medication. People still go bankrupt from medical bills. People still have to spend hours on the phone begging some underpaid drone to get them healthcare because what your doctor says you need is overriden by a fucking corporation.
Some comments from Michael Moore yesterday: https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2024/12/16/michael-moore-response-united-healthcare-ceo-shooting-luigi-mangione/77020835007/
Hopefully inspired by.
