• @[email protected]
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    93 months ago

    I too like to bury my head in the sand.

    You don’t have to worry about the fire slowly coming towards your home if you have no idea the fire is even there.

  • @[email protected]
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    213 months ago

    Is it really political any more when evil people have used politics to gain control over our lives to wreck our retirement funds, deport and possibly murder our friends, and oh just for fun destroy the entire foundational structure of science and discovery?

    Nope. That’s not political. That’s awareness of the environment in which we find ourselves, and an attempt to deal with it.

    Hopefully it will be over soon (in part thanks to awareness campaigns) so we can go back to politics where we have some conservatives, some progressives or whatever, and some single-issue parities that can make common cause with the others from time-to-time. Politics would be so wonderful to have now. It’s only been gone for maybe a decade and I miss it so much.

    • @[email protected]
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      Is it really political any more when evil people have used politics to gain control over our lives to wreck our retirement funds, deport and possibly murder our friends, and oh just for fun destroy the entire foundational structure of science and discovery?

      All that shit was absolutely happening before Trump too, spare us the “we must retvrn to when America was great” reactionary nonsense

      • @[email protected]
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        43 months ago

        I’m Swiss.

        I don’t buy the greatness thing. I’d like go back to having an America that makes sense sometimes, and which we can reasonably work with.

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    Yeah, it’s not easy to ignore when the US goverment starts sending people to concentration camps and being anti-american.

    Can’t just bury your head in the sand and say you don’t care about politics, because then changes will come as a surprise

    " why did I get laid off without severance? oh, they rolled back labor laws.

    At least I have welfare as I search for a job… oh, they took that too.

    Well, next elections I’ll be voting against them. Wdym Trump is on his third term and planning a fourth one?

    Why are ICE officers taking me to a plane, without due process, claiming I’m being anti-patriotic?) "

    • @[email protected]
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      Not wanting to follow donald ducks disastrous adventures isn’t burying your head in the sand IMO.

    • @[email protected]
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      173 months ago

      Sounds like their problem, not mine. They voted for it, I wouldn’t expect you to care much about British internal politics either.

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        While Musk and Trump were doing their thing in the US, Musk was also trying to prop certain parties around europe. Reform (UK), AfD (Germany), Vox (Spain), Lega (Italy) Their internal politics are similar to that of Germany before WW2, plus their external politics are: pulling from NATO, stopping the funding that goes to the CVE, threatening annexation of allies… so I wouldn’t be surprised if internal politics are indicative of following the path of Germany.

        If UK were actively threatening allies, saying they won’t support NATO countries if they are attacked, and one of thekr citizes was close to the PM and was also trying to sway elections in the rest of europe, I’d be as concerned as you internal politics to see where you wpuld be going.

        • @[email protected]
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          23 months ago

          There maybe a balance between getting informed of the big lines of what’s happening in the US (which is of course valuable) and spamming until it’s 100% of everybody’s timeline

    • @[email protected]
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      43 months ago

      Can’t just bury your head in the sand and say you don’t care about politics

      I can actually and science proves it’s better for mental health.

      • Elrecoal19
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        103 months ago

        Yep, that’s on me. I’m just used to talk to americans when I’m met with a “I don’t care about politics”

        • @[email protected]
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          23 months ago

          Yeah, that “I don’t care about politics is what brought them there in the first place”, but they will never acknowledge that, instead they will just double down on their aggressive apatheism.

    • @[email protected]
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      Yeah, it’s not easy to ignore when the US goverment starts sending people to concentration camps

      You had no problem ignoring it for decades previously.

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        Please, enlighten me about how it is as bad now as it was before, and not even worse.

        “Yeah, they are sending random innocent citizens to concentration camps in mass now, but you didn’t care about it when it was certain specific innocent people to Guantanamo so you shouldn’t care about this either”

        Sounds like someone who would say “all parties are the same” or “I didn’t want to vote for Kamala because the dems supported Israel”

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            Yeah, who said otherwise?? The problem is that it’s being done en mass now, not that it’s american lives per se. Yeah, it was a problem already, but it became a bigger problem now. You can’t ignore that.

      • @[email protected]
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        43 months ago

        I’m a little lost as to what exactly this rebuttal is implying. Do you feel that those who willfully ignored these issues went they weren’t as dire should continue to do so as they get worse? I’m having difficulty reading this charitably so clarification would be appreciated, thanks.

    • @[email protected]
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      93 months ago

      Which are topics covered by 90% of the forums here already. If you browse for memes you should be allowed to see some. instead you get AOC Simps sharing some rally.

      Blocking users posting political campaigning on meme forums are now modus operandi.

      Try posting that shit on the woodworking forum and see how it flies. The meme forums are poorly moderated.

      • Elrecoal19
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        63 months ago

        Have you considered… that political memes… are memes as well? I know, crazy, right?

        Have you even considered how tariffs could affect woodworking prices? The price of services to keep with the increase of the cost of living, the increase in the price of any woodworking material/tool coming from out of the US…

        • @[email protected]
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          63 months ago

          A picture of a crowd with the headline AOC and Sanders gathered 35000 people this weekend is hardly a meme.

          Have you considered I might be European? And I might be somewhat interested in American politics, but I’m also interested in other shit to. If Lemmy wants to succeed it will have to cater to a wider audience than the most politically engaged core.

          Blocking a few users have cleansed my front page alot. I hake no issues with people discussing their political worries. Thats imoortant in any free State. What’s not important is forcing those discussions into any minor irrelevant topic.

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          Have you considered… that political memes… should be posted to the communities specifically for political memes? I know, crazy, right?

          If someone wants to bury their head in the sand while everything burns, that’s their perogative.

          Personally, I get more than enough exposure to the ongoing situation through other sources. I don’t need my haha funnies to pull double duty, and I’d argue that they’re an incredibly poor format to convey useful information for staying properly informed.

          I definitely don’t need random internet asshole busybodies deciding they know my information needs better than I do.

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            43 months ago

            They might not bury their head in the sand either. They might be engaged in the topics, but at the moment they just want to see what funny references exist in a non political sphere.

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          American tarriff could affect woodworking price in the US and maybe in canada or his main trade partner

          You are not the center of the world. Crazy right?

  • Chev
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    113 months ago

    Filter them out. I did it myself. It helps.

  • @[email protected]
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    273 months ago

    You gotta block the bots that post news stories to communities named after the publication.

    Really clears up the feed.

    • @[email protected]
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      53 months ago

      Also try to get the more spammy ones blocked by your server, it’s a service for all other users as well

    • @[email protected]
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      223 months ago

      “Is he team Red or team Green?”
      *Little did they know that beneath his outer attire lay his blue wizard robes.*
      “I mean he’s wearing boots, which is more than either of us have.”

  • MrsDoyle
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    123 months ago

    I don’t block much stuff, but I only subscribe to things that don’t generally feature US politics. So I essentially have two feeds: All and Subscribed. Scrolling All can be exhausting…

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      23 months ago

      That seems like the ideal approach. I sometimes WANT a survey of what Lemmy is talking about and sometimes I don’t. I’ve got massive tolerance for bullshit given my difficult upbringing but even I’m hitting limits and needing a break. It’s madness.

    • you_are_dust
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      Same. I like to use All because I generally will get to see things, happenings, events, etc. that I wouldn’t be otherwise seeking out. But it is damn exhausting that it’s 90% what fucked up thing is happening in the government currently.

  • @[email protected]
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    33 months ago

    Not what I’m seeing, maybe I curated my feed differently? Idk maybe my server also blocks some?

  • @[email protected]
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    213 months ago

    I might occasionally be accused of being political, but yes. Lemmy is no escape. Many users from any instance will jam their politics into anything and everything, constantly. It’s genuinely weathering.

    You want to vibe and chill? HOW DARE YOU! DONT YOU KNOW X IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!?!?!?!?

    WHY ARENT YOU MAD ABOUT X??? ARE YOU A MONSTER??

    • @[email protected]
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      143 months ago

      Starting to think of unsubing from technology, too often it’s about trump and musk. But it’s also one of the largest communities.

      Problem when most active communities at least sometimes include US political bullshit is that few are left without it if you just want to block it. We are not all Americans, it isn’t helpful to constantly have US bullshit showing up. Hopefully as lemmy grows the smaller communities will grow and I can have a feed full of kayaking, Linux memes and homebrewing.

    • Bio bronk
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      63 months ago

      I mean we live in a neo nazi fasict state. It was chill during bama years

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        The Biden years were pretty chill too until every leftist in the country decided that carrying water for a terrorist organization was more important than keeping a fascist out of the most powerful office on earth.

        What’s more important? Giving a voice to 2 million Palestinians who are always going to hate us anyway, or defending the entire free world from creeping authoritarianism?

        Do you feel the trade-off was worth it? Do the Palestinians?

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            The situation was still salvageable when Israel’s fascist government was being restricted by American diplomatic pressure. Is the situation better now? Where will it be in another 4 years?

            • @[email protected]
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              It wasn’t being restricted by American diplomatic pressure; the only thing American diplomatic pressure was being used for was to quash opposition to the genocide.

              The genocide was every bit as unrestrained under Biden, and the only reason you think otherwise is because you were a genocide denier and apologist when it was your team doing it. In that sense, the situation is better now, because at least liberals are actually acknowledging what is happening, rather than engaging in endless denial and apologia.

  • @[email protected]
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    263 months ago

    I am leaning harder and harder on ‘political comedy isn’t comedy’ as a rule. ‘It’s just a joke,’ is a far too common smokescreen for people pushing terrible ideas and mocking people spreading bad ideas doesn’t do anything to stop them. It can even help. Politics isn’t supposed to be entertaining. It’s the decisions that affect how we live our lives. We need comedy in politics like we need strippers in surgery.

    • @[email protected]
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      83 months ago

      Counterpoint, comedy is often a coping mechanism for people dealing with difficult things, be it politics or something else. I’ll agree that it’s not how everyone wants to deal with it, though, and I also agree that not everyone does it in a way that’s constructive (but I think that’s in execution, not everyone is funny and a bad joke without proper comedy is certainly just elevating a bad message)

      But I think if I didn’t have political comedy, I’m not sure how I could deal with how absolute shit things have been for decades. For me that’s not memes though, it’s stuff like Last Week Tonight or something that actually is done with professional writers and researchers.

      • @[email protected]
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        23 months ago

        I get that humor is useful for making hard topics seem easier but some things should be hard. Would you consider dirty jokes an appropriate substitute for a sex ed class? Would drinking away your nervousness be a good way to prepare for a driving test? Serious matters need to be discussed frankly and honestly.

        I used to kind of like Oliver sometimes, but then I saw the pattern and it ruined it for me. Every episode is 'Hello joke>subject>mock subject if funny looking, else mock thing next to subject>let’s get serious, bad thing is happening>it’s really bad>but don’t get outraged enough to go do something about it, here’s someone else taking care of it for you>callback to joke earlier>HBO-brand anti-capitalist recuperation catharsis complete. Go back to work.

        • @[email protected]
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          Kind of a false equivalence, since you’re not educating yourself on memes exclusively (and if you are, god help you lol). Even in your own reference, you can absolutely make dirty jokes after sex ed, especially if it helps you remember the topics. Good jokes will both reinforce the right narrative, make it more approachable, and help people remember what matters on a topic. Still has to be a good joke though, and humor is subjective so hard to gauge.

          I mostly draw the line when it targets a vulnerable person or persons (like, let’s not joke about rape), or makes someone in the room uncomfortable out of respect for that person (like a dirty joke in front of grandma). I suppose one could say any joke about the assholes in charge fall under that first category, but they harm vulnerable people, but they themselves are perfect targets.

          • @[email protected]
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            Almost no one does one thing to the exclusion of all else, so few, if any, people are getting their knowledge purely from memes, but it doesn’t have to be exclusive to have an effect. Someone who drinks a gallon of soda a day isn’t necessarily getting all of their nutritional intake from soda, and, to borrow the phrase, god help them if so, but it is going to have effects on their life. Treating politics as entertainment also has secondary effects. Just like drinking soda can train your tongue to expect that level of sweetness, which can lead to troubling dietary choices, political humor trains you expect a punchline in a discussion about policy, which can lead to bad political choices.

            And notice there how you changed what I said to argue against a point I didn’t make. I talked about jokes as a substitute for sex ed. You talked about jokes after sex ed. There is no mandated political ed class after which to make jokes. The shallow coverage on things like Oliver, tiktok, or other comedy shows is often the deepest, or the only, examination of a political subject people actually ingest, maybe supplemented by a few headlines, a shallow newscast, and an article they didn’t finish. They aren’t making memes about the thing they learned during an in-depth intended-to-inform class. They are making memes based on the memes they laughed at because of the vague half-knowledge they got from the media atmosphere.

            Jokes have their place. No one would argue for a life completely lacking in humor, but, just like your example of rape, a subject that is extremely serious because of the long lasting and possibly life-destroying effect it can have on people, politics is too serious to be joked about in the public sphere. Joking about it fails to take serious something that can leave someone alive, but utterly unable to live.

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      what I’ve leant into hard is the idea that those “clever comebacks” or “murdered by words” posts and communities do much more harm than good. 80% of the post is the most bigoted and hateful thing you’ve ever read, and 20% is “your mom lol”. sharing hate speech with a lame joke tacked on the bottom is still sharing hate speech, turns out

      • Buelldozer
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        “murdered by words” posts

        I was an OG mod for that sub and hearing you say that makes me so sad.

        Here’s some history for you; MBW started out with high quality long-form content. Then one day an Admin hand selected it to feature on the Front Page which caused it to explode in popularity, going from about 5,000 subs to over 30,000 in just 48 hours. The new users started upvoting the old content which caused a 2nd and then a 3rd post to organically hit the FP. The growth accelerated.

        Later that week the sole mod had a panic attack over the stress and while melting down they deleted the whole sub. At that point I offered to help and they added me as Mod #2. My first official act was working with the Admins to restore the sub from backup. From there we built a moderation team and all of the crap that goes with it like sub rules, wiki, automod, Discord channels.

        As the sub got more popular people started posting ever more short form content which was causing the quality to go down even while the subscriber and traffic numbers continued to climb.

        A few of us fought hard for a long time to hold the line on quality content, wanting to keep with the higher quality long form content that made it popular even if it meant lower subscriber and traffic numbers. We tried a lot of things to accomplish that but relevant to your comment one of the things was to create “Clever Comebacks” as a place to push the tsunami of Twitter/Tumblr/Facebook dreck. Sadly it didn’t work, people either posted stuff in both places and / or the mod team wouldn’t remove short form content from MBW because it got too popular before it was noticed and they didn’t want to delete something with tens or even hundreds of thousands of upvotes.

        As the mod team continued to expand to deal with the ever higher traffic first one then another Powermod was added. I strongly objected to it but was over ruled by Mod #1. Then the Powermods began to stuff the mod team with their friends and sock puppet accounts. That’s when things really started going downhill. They’d delete things that were almost popular then repost it themselves. They’d refuse to remove Posts or Comments from their friends or sock puppets. They implemented bots without sharing the source code. They kept “accidentally” breaking the mod log. They forced endless re-writes of the sub rules, each one giving them more leeway on what fit the sub and what didn’t.

        I eventually went hands-off because I couldn’t stop them and couldn’t deal with what MBW had turned into. I finally left the mod team during the API fiasco because they wouldn’t hold the line on the blackout.

        So there you have it, a short history of MBW and CC from someone who knows.

        On a side note Powermods ruin everything they touch and they’re now showing up on Lemmy.

    • Proud Cascadian
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      The “funny” parts of the internet like Twitter and Reddit are also owned by millionaires and billionaires, their express purpose being to entertain you and show you ads, not to actually inform you. An especially egregious example is YouTube when a video essayist tries to explain how the Native Americans were killed by colonists, or how most of Latin America was brutalized by capitalist oppression resulting in millions dead, and people have to bleep out their words like they’re on cable TV.

  • CodexArcanum
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    It’s amazing how much still gets through, but at least I’m not scrolling past a dozen “news” stories between every meme or comic post.

            • @[email protected]
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              43 months ago

              I trust that the sources I follow give me the right information, because they did even before I used these filters.

                • @[email protected]
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                  13 months ago

                  Not sure what the issue is. If I’m getting the same info as I would be here if there’s a problem? Why should I have two channels that give the same info?

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            If you’re calling news outrage bait, I don’t know what to tell you. Orange Mussolini is counting on everyone to not keep up so nobody will stop him. I can’t name anything more pathetic than someone who wants ignorant bliss so badly they’ll put a blindfold on.