I’m not so sure they even want that at all. Simply because of their shameful behavior, while the US president acts like a goddamn Nazi (because he obviously is one, of course).
But for all that, the Democrats have refused to allow even a little progressiveness in their ranks for years, against the wishes of their own voters.
But hey, I don’t know very much about all this because I’m from Germany.
All I can say is that in our country - and this applies to larger parts Europe - Sanders, for example, would be a moderate center-left politician. What he is calling for is not at all radical in many parts of the world, but rather quite normal. Basic decency, so to speak…
Yup. The Democratic party is the Republican party of 40 years ago. The Republicans are obviously now literal nazis, fascists, kkk, the worst of the worst. That’s all we have and they have no interest in changing that.
Many of us like Sanders because he is a vocal option that is at least left of the status quo. But there are also so many of us that want European left policies. We just can’t get it to happen in a winner takes all style of representation. And capitalism.
The Overton Window really fucked us.
yes, and the dems lionizing “centrism” and “bipartisanship” played a huge role.
They would sell their own families out if they could paint it as “pragmatic”
Yes, unfortunately, I think the US has been a plutocracy for way too long already.
I think it’s time for US citizens to admit that and change it for good. Of course, I’m fully aware that many Lemmy users have long realized this.
I really don’t want to offend anyone with this obvious statement, but it’s simply a fact that many people in the USA have been living like in a third world country for a very long time - even though the US is one of the richest countries in the world.
The reason for this is very obvious: shameless enrichment of the rich and powerful - hardly any difference to Russia imo - more humane means so far, yes, but the effect is basically the same.
This is not meant as an insult at all. I just can’t believe how obvious the corruption in the USA is: Even in the highest offices. People like the President himself or Clarence Thomas (so on and so on) obviously no longer feel the need to be ashamed of anything - they don’t even try to keep any of their criminal activities even remotely secret.
Our system is certainly not perfect and we also have major problems with corruption and also with the resurgence of fascist parties. But the level of open corruption in the USA is still mind blowing to me: The shameless insider deals of the president, the unscrupulousness of constitutional judges who so obviously rule against the constitution! I can’t even begin to name even half of it.
Unconditional immunity for presidents? Imprisonment of innocent people without due process? Prisons for profit? I think that’s wild and only possible in a failed state!
I mean, you really don’t have to be an expert in constitutional law to realize that any even halfway decent democratic constitution would of course rigorously rule all this out.
I myself can only observe this from afar and helplessly feel sorry for all the good and still rationally thinking US citizen.
Of course, I have no solutions. Only the obvious thought that the US institutions have long been corrupted.
I wish you all the best and try to contribute at least something from afar - but unfortunately I have little hope, because I honestly believe that the US system is broken beyond repair.
https://fee.org/articles/economic-fascism/
Just leaving this article from 1994 here
It drives me insane how people idolize these criminals. They will dismiss anything criticizing billionaires as “commie liberal bullshit” and go back to their charlie kirk. The US is and has been completely brainwashed. I can’t tell ypu the weird looks I get when I come right out and say “the billionaires are the problem. Stop using Twitter and amazon”. They act like that is total insanity.
No offense taken. We know we’re “a third sold country in a Gucci belt”. It’s not that it started 40 years ago, but that’s when it really took off, this speedrun to transferring wealth and power to the already wealthy. They purposely cut funding to education to make an easily manipulated populace, and have been using fear propaganda relentlessly for longer.
We also learned last time Trump was elected that most of our country was held together by gentlemen’s agreements and the idea that our constitution never considered irrational people would be elected.
Our system is broken, and the ones with the power to do anything about it have no interest in doing so.
I honestly don’t know how we recover from this. Stopping Trump is a bandaid. Rooting out the cancer… 🤷🏼♂️
Attempting?
It’s going to be fun watching all of these traitors stand trials for their crimes.
I hope it gets to that point
We can dream, friend. We can dream.
I can see progressives and muslims eventually hauled before a “court”, but dems or republicans? hard to imagine.
Very cute fantasy of yours. Will never happen.
I’m always amused to see “never” in political discussions.
If the tide turns, it’ll happen fast.
Maybe someday we’ll have politicians face consequences for their actions, but it’s not gonna happen.
Trump was found guilty of several crimes and still got to run for office. Dozens of senators are doing on obvious insider trading and don’t get a tap on the wrist.
To employ the crude vernacular, no Democrat has the requisite reproductive organs necessary to solve MAGA, either testicles or ovaries.
what are boobs if not balls for the chest? chesticles if you will, and what are balls, if not the small wrickly dangly boobs between your legs.
it does not matter, as dems have neither :) (i wanted to be a part of ur silliness I apologize in advance)
Boobs are the milk of human kindness. Testicles are the seeds of evil.
I don’t really like this way of thinking. Women are just people, as are men. A matriarchy isn’t preferable to a patchriarchy.
I wasn’t really making a statement about the sexes. Milk of human kindness is a Macbeth reference, but also in Fallout 4 from the supermutant Strong. He misunderstands the Macbeth quote and wants to find the milk of human kindness because he thinks it is what makes humans powerful.
The seeds of evil, I was speaking of humanity. It is literally the seed, and it produces both men and women.
i mean I’d still drink both
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best they can do is a mild chastizing
you can’t use rule of law to stop rule of man
that just doesn’t work; and when it fails one ends up with some version of the plot from Seven Against Thebes
Drag the FBI director in front of Congress
Interesting, I’d never seen that spelling of “a fucking firing squad”.
It’s Congress though, so “Circular Firing Squad”. :)
As long as it’s public, whatever floats your boat.
The fascists need to be scared. It’s okay to show them why in the middle of times square.
What for just to drill him then give him a pass.
If that’s what happens then so be it, but it’s still worth doing for the sake of doing.
Also it would highlight the complicity of others so i think the value is still there…even if/when they give him a pass
And the Democrats won’t do that unless the people make politicians fear the consequences of attempting a dictatorship.
And people won’t do that because a large well-funded security state stands between them and the political class.
Even if people do that the Dems are still minority in both chambers so they can’t do shit.
republicans always seem to be able to stop democrats when they have a minority in the senate.
Then again, republicans are actually interested in stopping democrats.
That diminishes the things some of them have done, like meet with those who were disappeared. Or attempt to shutdown the government.
The first example you gave was a cool gesture but hardly effective.
The second example you gave I don’t necessarily agree with. I think the federal government is important and serves a vital purpose which is why I oppose Trump dismantling it and privatizing everything.
Symbolic gestures are ultimately useless against sociopaths like any MAGA. The only thing they respect and respond to is bold action, and bold is not a word that can ever be ascribed to the currrnt Democratic party.
And the Dems need to understand that if we end up in a full-blown dictatorship, we will hold the weak Dem leadership who allowed it to happen as we screamed at them to resist, as responsible as the Republicans.
Sorry, they’re too busy trying to stop David Hogg.
Are you sure you’re conservative?
Why are you making that assumption?
I just thought you had made that comment, once.
I mean, they have a point. DNC chairs shouldn’t be picking winners. Hogg is free to make his own path. If there is internal corruption he should start by exposing it.
So now we’re calling creating competition “picking winners”?
Funding opponents of incumbents you don’t like is tantamount to picking winners.
It’s fine to do it but not from the position he is in.
Is that not just how the DNC/political parties in general normally works anyways?
Remember Debbie Wasserman Shultz and how everyone was pissed at her for pulling strings for Hilary?
We don’t need to recreate that.
I think there could be arguments that the DNC could set their agenda and eject anyone who opposes it but just trying to root people out through back door deals is not great.
Centrists: Don’t vote for third parties, because they can’t win. Work within the Democratic Party.
Also centrists: Not like that!
Am I centrist now?
So I remember a political party behaving like one? Yeah, I do.
The party spends money on candidates that’s how politics works (which sucks but whatever).
Sure is convenient that the party suddenly wants impartiality when centrists might get primaried.
They didn’t have primaries last cycle and just told us who we were expected to vote for and that wasn’t a problem. That was just 6 months ago.
Democrats care about neutrality like republicans care about fiscal responsibility.
DNC chairs shouldn’t be picking winners
The second the shoe is on the other foot.
DNC chairs shouldn’t be picking winners.
That’s what the DNC does. Just look at recent history.
Is that really what you want them doing?
And working out how much farther right they can be and still be dems
I said this years ago after J6: if liberals wanted to maintain liberal democracy, they had to literally hang Trump after J6 and the false electors scheme. Instead he faced 0 consequences, so he (and the fascists around him) decided they could just keep trying different coup strategies until they found the one that works. Liberals let them iteratively test coup strategies.
The DNC? Will never happen. They need to be afraid of the people and for all their bluster I’ve never seen them do anything but capitulate.
David Hogg (Parkland Massacre survivor, and a loud anti-MAGA voice) is now a vice chair of the DNC, and he is calling for investing $20 million in primarying weak Democratic incumbents. I hope one of those is my Dem congressional rep, who is a useless weenie.
He’s starting to show up on political talk shows, and he is a very smart, impressive, charismatic, COURAGEOUS young man, who is determined to change the Democratic party from within. He is scaring the shit out of the old established cowards.
We need to support him, and the rest of the new rising segment of young progressives like AOC, Frost, Crockett, etc., and those they inspire.
I support David Hoggs intentions. I just don’t know if he picked the right way to go about it.
By threatening to primary weak incumbents? Its EXACTLY what the Republicans do to keep their cowardly people in line. HitlerPig threatens to primary his incumbents all the time, and it’s very effective in keeping them from listening to their consciences and going rogue.
One of the worst things about the Democrats is trying to herd the cats. Stealing effective strategies from the Reoublicans is an excellent idea to focus them so they can effectively fight back against the MAGA Nazis. And also get rid of weak losers like my congressman. I hope he’s on the list.
I’m not going to operate like the gop
Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself.
Ah, the Michelle Obama Doctrine - “When they go low, we go high.” That sort of cowardly strategy is what brought us here. The real doctine should be “When they go low, we kick them in the teeth, really, really hard.”
We don’t have to lie, cheat, and steal like Republicans, we just have to play Hard Ball, like they do. They exploit every opportunity and loophole they find, and there is no reason Democrats can’t do the same thing. If we had done that during the Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations, we wouldnt be in this fix right now. In fact, if we had done it earlier, Bush wouldn’t even have been president, and we would have had continuous Democratic leadership since 1992.
When Biden was inaugurated, he should have rounded up HitlerPig and his henchmen and sent them to Gitmo for extended interrogation. Instead he appointed a Republican as AG, who dithered and slow walked HitlerPig’s obvious treason, giving him a 2 year head start on successfully running out the clock.
When HitlerPig was inaugurated, they launched a blitzkrieg attack on the entire nation, and here we are.
IF we get another chance, we have to react with the same bold action, and crush MAGA, and mercilessly purge them from existence. We cant just go back to the same old Democratic weakness, led by weenies like Schumer, Jeffries, Biden, Obama, etc. People like Hogg and AOC are our future, if we want to continue to exist as anything more than a puppet state for Sociopathic Oligarchs.
There’s going low, then there’s emulating the right.
I agree, and I dont advocate for copying most of their unethical, illegal, and unconstitutional methods. But if something works, without stepping over that line, we should definitely adopt it. We shouldn’t limit our selves from successful options just because Reps did it first. Democrats are way too good at shooting themselves in the foot that way.
Telling insipid weenie Dems that they better pick up their game or we’ll find someone who will, should not be off the table simply because Reps employ it. Thats just good politics that strengthens your party.
Any democratic candidate preaching “forgiveness and healing” needs to be primaried. We need representatives who are willing to absolutely curb-stomp the fuck out a party that is effectively an occupying enemy force.
These are not people to “reach out” to. They are enemies to overcome.
People should not be afraid of the government, government should be afraid of the people.
As the Founding Fathers intended. That’s why they gave us the 2nd Amendment. Dems need to embrace it as much as the Reps do.
Lol k
When there’s an actual armed resistance lemme know. That’s the only way things will change.
Yeah! Let’s put Democrats in charge so they can do that!
So they’ll do something then unlike last time???
There haven’t been 60 dems in the senate since 1979
There haven’t been 50 dems since 2013
Starting living in this decade maybe
There haven’t been 60 dems in the senate since 1979
There haven’t been 50 dems since 2013
You’re ignoring independents who caucus and vote with the dems. Your numbers are misleading on purpose. You’re just making excuses for a party that opposes progressives and not republicans.
The President has historically had wide latitude to act in times of emergency. The instigator of the insurrection should’ve been in Gitmo on January 21, 2021.
Sure, call me extremist, but look at where we are now. I’m fucking right. But, barring the correct action, Biden could’ve followed the moderate, decorous course of launching the prosecution that day. But no, it took TWO. GOD. DAMN. YEARS.
I’m so done with Democrat excuses.
I think, in principle, the president persecuting his predecessor and current political rival is bad. Much simpler a solution is to not disrupt his criminal investigation by electing him president, but instead we’re a country of assholes who can’t even show up to the polls to keep him out.
I think, in principle, the president persecuting his predecessor and current political rival is bad.
Holding a criminal accountable for the crimes they’ve committed is not persecution.
The courts were responsible. Biden already expressed disappointment in the AG for being slow. This should never have been Biden’s job to do, and it is our collective fault that he became president absolving himself of crimes.
Would it be worse than a fascist dictatorship?
You’re asking if voting for Harris would have been worse than a fascist dictatorship?
Really? This is an example why I’m done with Democrats.
Biden had to preserve our beloved institutions so Trump would have something to tear down.
Biden and doj did so much to stop trump while Biden was in office…
Starting living in this decade maybe
My man they’re currently trying to be like Reagan republicans
