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We’ve done it, we got rid of another soulless right wing politician!
Peter Dutton first made his party lose this election and now also lost his own seat much like Pierre Pullover
We’ve still got a government that green-lit new coal power plants in it’s last term, screwed over the Aboriginal community with a poorly run referendum, and still doesn’t give a shit about climate change, but baby steps hey.
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Nobody wants to let Dutton be another Trump
Trump is dismantling the US government so his billionaire friends can buy it. He’s not building a global populist movement, he’s siezed power and he’s using it for petty, selfish ends. The whole world can see it plainly
The rise of fascism in the US may have heralded worldwide rises in conservativism for a time, but now that Trump has absolute power, he’s not bothering to hide his intentions. It’s swung back the other way, now the US is making the world less fascist
Fascism’s win condition is always its own destruction. It’s a death cult. It can’t win worldwide because it promotes selfish leaders who sabotage the movement for personal enrichment
It’s gonna be okay, everyone
They’re not going to stop trying just because they lost an election. Don’t become complacent. Victory has not yet been accomplished, defeat has been postponed.
Fascism is an existential threat to all democratic countries.
It’s important to point out that they didn’t just “lose” an election, and it wasn’t only because of Trump.
They’ve been gutted. So many senior party members lost their seats they can’t figure out who’s the next party leader.
Yup, this will be what triggers them to go all in on nazism, same thing happened to America’s Republicans.
I was just listening to something that said the liberal seat losses were predominantly the moderates. The hard-line conservatives fared better, so you might be right.
I’m not steeped in Australian politics like I am in US politics, please correct me if I am wrong, but there are some things I’ve heard (though they may be out of date) that work in the left/center’s favor more than the right, particularly that young Australian men do not seem to be pulling hard right like their US counterparts. Also, it is my understanding that “minor” political parties are more popular and feasible than in the US. Probably the biggest thing working against radicalization is ranked choice voting, it probably splits right more than the left. However, your right wing parties risk losing their identity if they move left and will have to be very competitive as moderates, where they could probably secure a much more ideologically “pure,” resilient, and loyal base by going further right.
young Australian men do not seem to be pulling hard right
I think this is true. Of course there are some who are, but there are fewer than in the US. There is much less “machismo” in Australian culture, there’s still masculinity but it’s focused on sport, cars, outdoor stuff like fishing and camping. It’s much less concerned with power, control, or force.
“minor” political parties are more popular and feasible than in the US.
Yes, and yes it’s because of ranked choice voting. In the recent election there were a lot of seats where Labor (center left) and Liberal (center right) received similar numbers of votes, but then a third candidate from the greens (further left) had an almost equal number of the primary vote. When those voters second preferences are counted enough of them voted center left to push them over the line.
This happens with independent candidates also, who have put on a very impressive show in the most recent election. I’m a bit vague on this part but candidates who won a significant number of votes this time round will receive financial support from the Australian Electoral Commission for their campaign next time.
your right wing parties risk losing their identity
Yeah so our Liberal (center right) party has been whingeing a lot about this. They’re saying they have the further right parties stealing votes from them, and Labor on the center right.
This is exactly the same for Labor (center left) because they have Liberal on their right and the Greens on their left.
That’s politics.
A phrase that’s been coming up a lot in the last 24 hours is that the Liberal party should return to their roots of being “fiscally dry”. That is their identity. Lower taxes, fewer services, small government. They got lost in the weeds trying to get elected on a Trump platform which thankfully the Australian people have rejected.
Thank you so much for your time! Being an American there is a real dearth of information about the politics of other countries, at least in terms of what is “fed” to me via social media and legacy news.
I really wish my country could have learned some lessons from your guys’ election system, it seems much better tuned in terms of producing democratic results and avoiding polarization.
The Australian Liberal party (note, they’re the Conservative Party) has taken an anti-climate change to the Australian electorate for a decade. Over time they lost power, they lost seats to independents who are aligned to Liberal party except on climate change, and now they’ve been reduced to a puddle due in part to their anti-climate agenda. There’s practically zero chance that the Liberal Party will ever campaign on an anti-Climate Change platform (despite what their corporate overlords want). Which means we may finally have clean air for a debate on policy and politics that’s not being hijacked by bullshit fossil fuel arguments.
This is progress, for sure.
Not sure. I can see them go full Trump and get aligned with our extreme right wing parties and billionaires and make their own truth social and just double down hard calling it a hoax. All the flooding is just weather engineering with chemtrails, didn’t you know?
That seems unlikely based on last night’s outcome.
Trumpism has a stink on it.
Dutton was trotting out some Trump rhetoric in the last 2 weeks and Australian voters have issued an emphatic, resounding rejection.
I expect a reformed liberal party will go back to their roots of fiscal and social conservatism, but do anything to avoid the culture war.
I hope Labour learns from this and starts leaning hard into the culture war. More trans rights please!
I’m not sure that’s the right message to take away from what’s happened.
Rejecting Dutton because he was stoking the culture war from the conservative end, does not mean that the electorate will embrace a leader who stokes the culture war from the progressive end.
For example, the voice to parliament was part of the culture war, and it failed spectacularly for Labor. They were lucky to recover really.
That’s not to say the electorate doesn’t want trans rights, but voters do want someone who’s going to address the bread and butter problems they’re facing.
but voters do want someone who’s going to address the bread and butter problems they’re facing.
Nah mate, common myth. The Greens had a way better plan for the bread and butter problems - create a government department for building housing, end negative gearing, cap rent increases, put dental in medicare, build free GP clinics, 50c transport fares, wipe all student debt, 800$ back to school payment, free school lunches, make supermarket price gouging illegal, increase wages.
What voters want, is something comfortable and familiar that makes them feel like they’re opposing Trump, without having to actually think or learn anything. They want the status quo.
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This is so good to hear. At least some good is coming out of my country being completely fucking destroyed.
Hell yeah who’s next? I need some more good news. Getting a literal ulcer over here…
Some good news, ulcers can usually be treated with a simple round of antibiotics.
I will refrain from finishing this thought in order to keep it good news
This forward progress to the human race is brought to you by the color ORANGE.
We proudly demonstrated to the world the proper direction to go.
Our loss is your gain.
It must be stated that the Labor party here are anything but progressive. They are centre-right by the most recent assessment of their values and support a variety of cunts in toxic industries who fund their campaigns.
The libs (our very right wing major party) ran an exceptionally incompetent campaign, with Dutton as a key soulless idiot who can’t admit to mistakes when it hits him in the face. They had a bit of headwind from the global anti Trump sentiment, but it wasn’t like we were in the same situation like Canada.
Regionally we already ARE the 51st state of the USA, because we provide them with much needed Southern Hemisphere intelligence bases which Australians have no right to visit, and they are our protector against any major military threat in the region.
It’s a minor victory for any progressive minded person, as any mention of action on the climate emergency was stupifyingly absent from the entire campaign.
The ALP are hardly Whitlam-style socialists, but they’re somewhat more progressive than UK Labour, in that they at least purport to be progressive, rather than banking their capital, rewarding donors and distracting the public with culture wars inherited from the Tories.
Mind you, they do most of that when the Greens hold their feet to the fire. With Labor having a lower house majority, it will depend on the Senate to force them to do the right thing.
It must be stated that the Labor party here are anything but progressive.
Coming from a Lemming this means less than nothing.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot mate?!?
Ah yes that old chestnut. The ALP isn’t perfect so we shouldn’t vote at all. You do realise that we have to vote here in Australia so vibe based voter suppression techniques don’t really work here. The perfect shouldn’t be the enemy of the good.
Easy tiger. I voted yesterday. Pipe it down a notch.
it’s okay to criticise… i saw noting anywhere about anyone saying we shouldn’t vote, or even vote for ALP
It must be stated that the Labor party here are anything but progressive
I’m not sure how any of these things scream right wing:
- Nine out of 10 GP visits to be bulk-billed
- A rebate on household and small business power bills of $150
- First home buyers access to 5 per cent mortgage deposits
- Cutting a further 20 per cent off all student loans
- Delivering two “modest” tax cuts on July 1, 2026
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-28/election-2025-key-promises-labor-coalition/104717394
I’m not sure how support for universal healthcare, renewables and the party having a gender quota is ‘anything but progressive’ but sure, they’re centre right if your definition of right wing is anything right of the greens
- First home buyers access to 5 per cent mortgage deposits
Damn. This one is pretty good. I wish Canada did this.
I had to look it up because we’re already able to get a mortgage with 5% down, this plan is to not require mortgage insurance on a 5% down payment loan.
Australian housing market is possibly even more fucked up than ours is FYI
- Nine out of 10 GP visits to be bulk-billed
Working in a GP practice. The deal they are offering to GP’s are pretty bad and the only ones taking the offer is the 5minute doctors
- Delivering two “modest” tax cuts on July 1, 2026
Lets hope it is not just to the wealthy
Happy to have a bit of a debate over that. You can put them dead centre if that makes you feel better.
They certainly have some positives for the general public, and more so than the $.25 rebate promised by LNP. However, the majority of stuff they offer are stopgaps, instead of fixing the real underlying issues. High power bills aren’t going to go down with one off rebates. First home buyers 5% isn’t fixing the housing supply, or over demand, nor is it a solution to anyone over 40 who still hasn’t been able to buy, because a 5% deposit means you’ll pay for forever and then some. Same with tax cuts. Also Tax Cuts are right wing, though they are usually for the wealthy.
They are still all for really terrible corporate developments, they are still cosy with the coal lobby, they’re just smart enough to not bring a big beautiful lump of coal into parliament anymore. They won’t tax mega corporations fairly, they won’t do anything for the climate emergency, just boost green energy, without any serious international commitments or plans to reduce or go net zero in this term of this new government. None of that anywhere.
They tried one terribly worded referendum which probably blew the Aboriginal community a chance at some form of reconciliation for the next half a century, and there’s no more follow up. They have no solid plan for the housing crisis, just a few hand outs.
It’s not screaming right wing, and I didn’t say it was, and it certainly isn’t Trumpism, and our democracy is bar none one of the best and most secure in the world, but it isn’t progressive or left at all. It is fairly competent centrism, maintaining the status quo for corporate Australia, while minimally appeasing the plebeians, because thank fuck, it could have been so much worse. it is a shameful far cry from what we needed in order to really respond to the situation we’re in on the global timeline.
I’m a kiwi, so I only hear about Australia’s most significant developments, but even then, some of the claims you’re making are wrong.
the majority of stuff they offer are stopgaps, instead of fixing the real underlying issues.
They’re probably putting in stopgaps to make it less painful while the fixes to the underlying issues gain steam.
High power bills […]
This will probably be solved (or stop getting worse) as a side effect of Future Made in Australia investing in the Australian manufacture of renewable energy technologies, as Australian made versions are likely to be cheaper than global competitors (at least in Australia). It’s also important to note that rising energy prices is not just an Australian problem, considering NZ’s wholesale electricity price has risen >30% despite 80% of our electricity coming from renewables (and doesn’t have variable running costs).
[…] housing supply, or over demand, […]
This will probably be mitigated by the Housing Australia Future Fund as it is set up to be able to spend $500 million per year on housing in perpetuity without any additional funding. This means they could technically “sell” something like 2000 houses a year for free forever. On a more realistic note they could take a $50k loss on 10000 houses per year to help mitigate the housing supply problem.
[…] tax cuts.
It is technically possible to have tax cuts that benefit only those who are not already rolling in it, but those kinds of tax cuts are so uncommon you’re likely to see a unicorn before they happen. The tax cuts are probably going to be something like the tax cuts we saw over here where the only ones that benefit are the already very wealthy.
[…] they are still cosy with the coal lobby, […]
I was under the impression that they were majorly funded by the unions. Considering this winge piece complains about the mining industry paying 5x more in tax than they used to and makes the misleading insinuation that it is paying the majority of Australia’s tax share, I’d say that they’re probably not funded by the mining lobby. (Values from the Australian Treasury suggest that they’re paying <10% of the total tax income)
[…] they won’t do anything for the climate emergency [and they don’t have any] plans to reduce or go net zero in this term of this new government.
They appear to have this net zero plan I found on a .gov.au website? I notice it doesn’t target net zero within the next 3 years because that’s simply impossible. The climate action tracker suggests that Australia is doing better than NZ in terms of climate policy, especially considering our action is considered “highly insufficient.”
You make the claim that it isn’t progressive, but over here it certainly would be. Either way, we can still celebrate that it isn’t Trumpism.
ty mate, amazing response
We’re in the land of Democrats sucking on billionaires’ toes and Republican Nazis. There are very few things that aren’t left of our politics.
Albo himself is fairly progressive, but has been pushed further to the right by Labor.
Labor’s policies over time have become increasingly more conservative. Yes, they still have some progressive policies, but all of the things you’ve listed are a direct response to one issue that a lot of voters are struggling with - cost of living.
Telling people that they’ll be more financially secure is a no-brainer for any political party, regardless of ideology.
For more on Labor’s shift to the right: https://socialjusticeaustralia.com.au/labor-partys-shift-to-right/
Also is on the right, he’s part of the Right faction within labor and was one of the ‘faceless men’ that removed our best PM in living memory, Kevin Rudd.
I’m a huge Rudd fan but you have to admit he wasn’t progressive. The man ran on a technocrat platform and was just as in favour of the status quo’s policies as Gillard. He wasn’t exactly a Burnie firebrand
Well done, Aussies!
The Canadian cons didn’t actually boot Polievre, instead they’re giving him an easy to win riding and a brand new seat in parliament so he can stay on. Which probably means he’ll stick around and win the next election. I hate it.
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I dunno, I’d like to try to be hopeful. The NDP has a real shot to completely rebrand and come back swinging. Convince Charlie Angus to come out of retirement and lead the party, and spend the next however-long-this-term-lasts rebuilding support. I can’t think of a better outcome than having to Sophie’s Choice between Carney and Angus. Imagine having to choose between 2 legitimately good party leaders.
The deep mind 3D chess move to make here would be to found a better conservative party and split the conservative vote.
Wait what? Source please
It’s about 3 seconds of googling to find out that there will be byelection in Battle River-Crowfoot, which went 81.8% in favour of the Conservative candidate. Polievre will run there, get swept in, and pretend that he represents Canadians.
Telling people to google stuff is so fcking reddit mate.
Thanks for providing context.
Learn to search shit your self, or get off the internet.
No one owes you anything.
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The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. Whether or not something is easily confirmable
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then it should have been very easy for you to post a source instead of arguing about it
Yes, but if we all did that there’d be no conversation here.
I don’t think a comment asking for a source is very interesting conversation.
I don’t think a comment stating that you don’t think a comment asking for a source is very interesting conversation is very interesting conversation, yet here we are.
Only if you respond with a link and no explanation.
What would you prefer? No sources? Talking only about insubstantial things that don’t need them? Obviously you’re here to talk about something.
Sorry, didn’t check back until now, but looks like it got sourced in the meantime.
Not op but https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-to-run-in-alberta-byelection-1.7525104
Basically he asked a con in the highest % of con votes to step down to trigger a by-election. It’s an area where the other parties don’t even campaign, they just hand it to the cons.
There are already talks of “liberals rigged the election” so that he can deflect and not make it a personal failing that he lost a riding that’s historically always been conservative and lost a 25 point lead in the polls in a few months.
Imagine running a campaign so terrible that you lose your own riding, then running off to a province on the other side of the country to weasel your way back in.
What even is the point of “representing your district” if they could just nominate a random person from across the country that never before stepped foot in that district?
Welcome to Canadian Parliamentary politics, where every good step forward has an equal and opposite step backwards.
While I still prefer it to the alternative system to the south; where it’s all bad steps. I’d be lying if I said our own system was perfect by any means.
Carney could deny the by-election or at least delay it, but that’d cause conservative tears so he’s avoiding the drama.
Oh god… We had Jacinta Pryce (extreme right winger in Oz) try the same here tonight. How do they expect this to work? I suppose because it worked for Diaper Don…
The good news is that the riding he has to run in is incredibly rural. He’s going to hate it.
Poilievre is a city boy. He grew up in the Calgary suburbs. Then he moved to Ottawa to become an MP. The only job he’s ever had involving physical exertion is when he was a paperboy as a kid. Now he’s going to have to spend some time in his new riding surrounded by farmers. The biggest “city” there has a population under 20k. Everything else is towns, villages and hamlets. Assuming he buys a house in Camrose, if he wants Thai food, he’ll have to drive over an hour to get to Edmonton.
Maybe because the conservatives have such an overwhelming majority in Battle River - Crowfoot, they won’t care that he’s a carpetbagger and he won’t have to put much effort in there. But, I think eventually he’ll have to spend some time in his riding, and it will be a major culture clash.
A lot of farmers are just rich guys, basically, but smug on top of it because of the tough image they have. The ones that own land aren’t the ones that do the work, and the work that people who aren’t immigrants do tends to be the sitting in a cab kind. There’s not a lot of people between 20 and 45 here in rural Alberta anyway. The Hutterites are an obvious exception, but they don’t vote anyway.
From what I’ve seen they really liked Kurek, are mad Poilievre is an outsider, and doubly mad because he’s an Ontario city type, but it’s nothing a firm handshake and some rabble-rousing won’t smooth over. He might get only 70%
Ya, and also the conservatives lost by 1% of the popular vote, and had excellent numbers overall. I really wish we kicked them to the curb, but that’s hardly the case. Sounds like Australia did a much better job.
That’s exactly what makes me believe they will win next time with little effort. Unless the LPC delivers big, people are not going to vote “anything but conservative” again.
If Carney is smart, he actually pushes for proportional representation. It would save the liberals next election, all the smaller parties would be on board, and even if he gets ousted after, he would have secured his place in the history books (not sure how susceptible he is to appeals to his vanity…)
Yeah. I was really looking forward to not worrying about the CBC being shuttered. No such luck.
I said it a couple days ago that this election reminded me of our 2020 election and what followed. Center-right liberals are only good at driving people away since all they do is tell you what you want to hear and then go behind your back and do the exact opposite. It’s just diet Republicanism here in the US and sounds like it’s very similar abroad. Nobody likes diet Republicanism.
Love to see it.
Bravo to the Australian voters. However, you should have purchased the submarines from the French.
Shouldn’t have bought any subs at all, but sure.
That was done by the conservatives
Congratulations Australians!
LOLLLLLLL
REST IN PISS YA WON’T BE MISSED LIB-TURD
YISSSSS congratulations !! Pierre pull-over. I am gonna steal this.
Love it.
For anyone needing how to actually pronounce this douche canoe’s name is Peepeepoopoo as we say in liberal Canada
Pierre pull-over
I prefer Little PP
L + rato
🥳🥳
Good!! Some hope for this world is left.
Majority Labor and Potato lost his seat, blessed be the aussies.
Almost the exact playbook as in Canada. Except it’s a close minority here. But the Maple Maggot, after losing his own seat, has decided to take over another MP’s seat in a by-election.
I know the chances are very, very slim, but I’d love to see the people of Battle-River-Crowfoot vote ABC and make that little weiner lose again.
There are so many hilarious opportunities with this by-election.
-91 candidates run and he comes in 91st
-Trudeau also runs there and wins
-He runs, loses, and repeats the process until the Liberals have a majority
He runs, loses, and repeats the process until the Liberals have a majority
No repetition necessary. The Liberals are one seat away from a majority.
The riding he’s chosen to run in is one of the most conservative in the country. The guy who’s stepping down won something like 80% of the vote.
But, the Liberals should run someone who actually lives in that riding and keeps reminding the voters there that Poilievre doesn’t live there and doesn’t know anything about his new riding. It won’t be enough to keep him from winning this time, but there’s a chance that over time it will start to matter to voters that their MP doesn’t live there and knows nothing about their riding.
Dude I’m clearly not serious with that comment and am just writing a sitcom in my head
Trudeau might be the first candidate to ever achieve a negative number of votes if he ran in Crowfoot.
Ok that’d be hilarious too 🤣
Mot really, Labor did nothing over the last 3 years and get rewarded for that as well as Greens losing a few seats.
Best case scenario was minority Labor gov shared with the Greens.
gee i guess the fact that we scored 2nd in the world on the IMF balanced budgets globally is nothing! if you don’t win you’re a loser
Agreed but let’s be honest, that would’ve relied on people voting for their best interests and, as always, Australians generally vote governments out. The safest way to vote out Liberal is to vote Labor and, so, we have a majority.
The massive infrastructure project 5 minutes from my house is not nothing. I’m very happy Labour are putting my taxes towards constructing the nation.
Yes, the Labor Party have demonstrated they’re inadequate to solve our ongoing crises. The Greens appear to have kept their strong crossbench position in the senate so I can’t be too disappointed.
Be sure to cauterize the wound or else two more heads will grow in its place
