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It’s almost like the good ol’ days of install fests and the like! ‘End of 10’ is an organization that’s making it easy for Windows 10 users with computers that can’t upgrade to Windows 11, to install Linux instead of sending good hardware to the landfill.
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Can’t you just install bit defender? It’s just that one chip on the board that was added about 10 yrs ago to prevent hackers using that desktop tunnel on the elderly. So dumb that they had to promote large scale computer waste over a piece of hardware smaller than a thumb drive.
It’s part of the design. You think their partners weren’t ecstatic about them implementing something like this, that has a very easy work around that they aren’t advertising‽
Never felt so much more in control than when ditching Windows and installing first Linux Mint and later Kubuntu. Gonna try Arch in the future to feel like a god and completely in control over what happens on my machine.
that trajectory leads to Antix to give you full control over every decision and then from there to debian or devuan because all that decision making is exhausting, can’t the machine just work and only update when there’s security patches?
I’m doing my part!
I’ve loaded Mint on my prime system and a laptop, another laptop with Fedora, Manjaro on another main system I test with and EndeavorOS on all my media systems. I’ve also loaded about 8-10 other distros on Proxmox to play/test with.
Where I had doubts on whether I needed anything off of the old MS system, I P2V’ed the OS and spool it up on Proxmox if needed to review any history within the OS/browser.
I still have a couple of W10 VMs lingering and a Windows server. I’ll “upgrade” the workstation VMs to W11 (and shut them down) since I have the license and I can see sometimes having to use Windows for whatever dumb reasons. I’ll leave the Windows server for now to maintain the domain as that allows me to block telemetry with GPOs. I may tire of that at some point though as MS will further wane away on my network.
My summer task is to convert all my 'Arrr software over to Linux versions. Still on W10 there. Wasn’t sure which distro to go to for that…
Re: Arr software, spin up an Ubuntu VM and install Docker. Spin up portainer and then use that to spin up all thr arrs. Ezpz
Windows 10 users encountering this post: this sounds like a lot of work. I’ll just stick to windows 11.
Disabling all the dumb shit and ads on win11 is triple the work of switching to linux and learning to use it.
If you honestly believe that, this is another great example as to why people would stick to Windows 11.
Because they love spending hours and hours on removing bloatware? And hate having a clean, functional os? Yeah that is the last remaining use case of windows beyond proprietary apps.
Well, thanks for confirming you really do believe the memes lol.
idunno how you can have an another opinion after using both.
Because as someone who does use both, disabling Windows settings that arent great takes about 15 minutes.
If it takes you multiple hours, you’re really bad at using computers or something.
KDE Neon here. I really really like it.
Remember when Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last Windows? I 'member.
Technically, they didn’t, they just never corrected someone who did, and it spread far.
They didn’t. They said it was the last version of windows you’d ever need.
I was for many of us. So, they were not totally wrong.
So much this. I had dabbled with Linux on various sbc knockoff raspberry pis and put one distro on an old netbook that I gave to a friend. Now my main laptop is going full penguin.
Hopefully many more Windows refugees would embrace the Kingdom of Torvalds.
Show me how to use the Xbox app in Linux and I will switch today.
But isnt this like asking “Show me how to run Nintendo Services on the PS5 and I will switch”?
Windows has it’s own ecosystem just as much as Linux has it’s own ecosystem, so expecting Linux to run everything Microsoft is kinda of unreasonable IMO.
To switch an OS also means to switch an ecosystem. You wouldn’t move from Android to iOS expecting it to run Android’s .apk, right?
I’m not criticizing you tho, if a service you rely on doesnt work on Linux, then Linux isnt for you, and you’re free to use Windows, an OS is just a tool after all 😁
I dual boot at this point. I have a POP_OS! nvme where I do normal pc stuff and maybe some light single player gaming, then I boot into my windows ssd for the heavier anticheat stuff. Imma be completely honest though. For most people I recommend just upgrading to windows 11 if you can. Linux is great but I think if someone just cares about gaming they should stick to windows.
My gaming computer under my TV is windows 10. My laptop where I do adult things is Linux mint. It’s a valid strategy
Completely valid take. I think that most Linux gamers dual boot (at least inside my circle of friends) (but no me tho, I’m Linux exclusive!) I think that when people doscuss Linix vs Windows, they often forget that you dont necessarily need to get rid of one system in favor of the other, you can simply integrate Linux into your workflow.
I wish I could be linux exclusive. But my friends and I play games that wont work properly under it. Recently we’ve been really into halo infinite but that game just doesnt work well under linux. I do plan on building an all amd system this fall so thatll be a big help towards fully jumping to linux for me but for now dual booting is my strategy. Im sure ill make someone mad with how I go about things but its what works for my use case.
I think one of the reasons why I can do gaming exclusively on Linux is because I hardly play competitive games, so I didnt miss Valorant, League of Legends, Apex and the like. But it’s still a reeeeal shame that these games insists on blocking Linux tho.
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Or pretty much almost any game or driver issues.
I like Linux but these video game developers dont support their game properly for Linux.
Majority of steam games work without issue nowadays ime
Gamepass was made to have you in the ecosystem so you really can’t, and I don’t blame you since it helps with these expensive games like the new Doom
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I play XBox games on my computer. My computer is more than 10x faster then my XBox so games often play way better.
endof10.org seems like a good website to direct people to via posters in your local community center or church. Or you can call a repair club in your area to ask if they want to be listed. Those are likely to have some Linux enthousiast members and already have a location.
Check out PostmarketOS for older machines/phones too. I got it working on an old Microsoft surface RT that would have been e-waste otherwise
I have a 2011 MacBook Pro running MX Linux. It’s no match for my M2 Air, but it’s still surprisingly useful.
Was up the council recycling centre the other day, looking at some of the dumped computers, wondering just how many of them could still be very useful.
Just an FYI - you don’t have to throw away computers that can’t upgrade past Windows 10. They will keep working.
But you don’t want to do anything that requires security on them like shopping, email, or anything that requires you to log into to an account that you dont want stolen.
Windows 7 is on par with Mint on the Steam hardware survey.
I’m thinking the stuff you “don’t want to do” after Windows lack of support ranks pretty low on people’s new year’s resolutions.
You can, if you install Linux
Not true. As long as you keep updating your browsers etc you’re going to be generally ok.
I recently virtualised an XP machine that had been running since time immemorial, and will continue to (virtually) do so.
Long story short, my Dad just got a new computer. (His old was was actually really old, but he could have used Linux.)
Anyway, I told him not to throw out the old computer and that I would take it. He was baffled that I would want it or could even do anything with it.
I am going to set it up as a backup server in the house for my parents and myself as it will be a nice way to have an offsite backup for free.
So many use cases! I’m giving an old NUC to a kid at work who’s learning Linux. Jesus, the kid bought a copy of Linux from “the best/most-famous hacker in the world!”. We had a come-to-Jesus talk about that horseshit.
Unbelievable. Linux sellers deserve the death penalty. /s (mostly…)
And even if you don’t want to… Find someone who does! Donate that laptop to someone. Find a LUG or Mutual Aid group or a friendly local anarchist :)
Wait so someone might wasnt the top of the line Macbook Pro from 12 years ago that someone gave me?
Yes please. 2013 MacBook Pro? I use a 2013 MacBook Air every day. I am sure your MacBook Pro is much better.
Unironically yes. There’s someone out there who is on the other side of the digital divide that would absolutely want any kind of access to what you currently take for granted.
I got it from someone when they were done with it. It’s old enough that itunes, safari/chrome/Opera/Firefox wouldn’t work with the current os.
Im not taking it for granted Im not tech savvy. It’s really weird for you to suggest this is the case when you have never met me.
A pretty large amount of people don’t own a PC at all, though I’m finding it surprisingly hard to get a good number on it. Just anecdotally, most people I know who aren’t IT professionals have either no PC or 1 old laptop, often from college or on loan from work. Most folks use their phones for everything. People I know with kids have school issued Chromebooks, which barely counts.
As to exact numbers, I’m curious what others can find. I turned up between 74% and 94% of adults in the US owned a PC, which seems insanely high to me. But on the same page claiming that 89% of all households have a PC, I also saw
In the United States, the number of households with computers is projected to surge from 4.7 million to 120.45 million between 2024 and 2029, indicating a substantial increase in computer ownership.
Which… That’s bonkers. They expect the number of PCs (in homes) to go up by a factor of 30 in just 5 years, presumably that guess was before tariffs as well. I’m wondering if these household and per capita numbers somehow include corporate spending because businesses and schools do purchase literal tons of computers.
4.7 million sounds like a typo honestly. 47 million would make more sense considering that many people need their own PC to do freelance work.
I’m doubting that many people will suddenly see the benefits of PCs over phones and tablets in order for these numbers to blow up, but I could be wrong. It seems that mobile devices fill that need for most people and it’s been that way for a while. Given the tariffs though, it may be a comparatively better time to get a PC for gaming than an Xbox or PS and that could bring the numbers up.
Been on Linux full time for al about 2 months now… Proton and Bazzite have made the transition soooo much easier as gaming is what was always holding me back.
I’ve been full time linux since 2017, i think (it was a long time ago)
Honestly, linux gaming with steam/proton has been really good for a LONG time. Like even “AAA” games like RDR2 have been working well whenever i buy them (not on release day, but maybe a year after)
In 2025, there’s really no reason not to go linux unless you play some very specific game that absolutely doesnt work on linux
I switched in January because my PC doesn’t support TPM 2.0 (gen 1 ryzen) after having not tried Linux since like 2011 gaming honestly kind of blew my mind, basically as “plug and play “ as windows.
I’m so happy that I went intel instead of gen1 ryzen that generation.
I still use it for work and would be so pissed if I needed to buy a new computer just to use Windows 11.
I genuinly need windows or mac for my work. I use linux on my personal laptop.
Yeah, don’t get me wrong it’s been mostly good but I made that choice at the time because it was a relief to see Intel finally getting some actual competition but there was some stability issues early on and I got burned on the back end with the TPM support.
That said, I can’t complain too much. 1800x and a 1080Ti still work perfectly fine for most things and the only “problem” is the lack of Windows support from Microsoft that could be worked around (for the time being).
Oh well it made me install Linux for the first time since 2012 and I’ve found I like it more anyway. Silver linings.
Yea, gaming has come a long long way thanks to Valve. I was also holding back due to this (and not wanting to spend too much of my spare time learning a new OS and commands etc) but I just installed Zorin (chosen for minimal effort) and hardly had to do anything. I struggled a bit to get Proton to work at first but now my entire Steam library works perfectly and I’m so much happier with it than I ever was using Windows. Gonna be getting my friends and some family on it as well!
I upgraded my Win 10 laptop to IoT Enterprise LTSC recently which is stupidly easy and grants you support till 2032.
Aside from some weird app incompatibilities it’s been working fine.
I don’t think that many people want to buy Windows Enterprise, which they typically want you to also buy a support contract for.
Unless you pirated it, but I don’t think telling people to “just run this pirate code” is that good of an idea.
Of course it’s up to you whether you want to use something that, according to Microsoft, you’re not supposed to use, but the only “pirate-code” I had to run was to activate it. The upgrade itself was pretty straightforward. You could use it just fine without activating it if you wanted.
IMO it’s a better option buying a new computer to run Windows 11 officially. I’m not including Linux because I specifically wanted to keep Windows on the Laptop to run apps that don’t work on Linux.
I did an upgrade, instead of a clean install, to the same version. I just had to reinstall my graphics driver and everything works as before, I just went through another step to remove some programs and it’s been smooth sailing since.
Massgrave.dev provided what I needed. Was a breeze.
I did an in-place upgrade as well. I was surprised how easy it was; it’s just one Registry key and from there you can just do a normal upgrade.
Way easier than installing Windows 11, which wouldn’t even officially run on my ThinkPad T540p…
Whatever will I do without my deshittified emotional support laptop :'(
Among lot of distro, Linux mint has to be the closest to windows and more refined
Quick question. I have a studio pc running win 10, with dozens of audio and video projects. It’s basically impossible to transfer to Linux, macOs or even win 11 since it involves a ton of audio plugins, etc. and my projects would become unsable.
What does end of supports involve for me? I actually disable updates and a while back since it was sometimes screwing things up. My most recent projects are done either on my M1 mac (work thing) or my most recent.Linux station on Nobara. Should I be worried about anything? Should I disconnect my old studio pc from the internet to avoid it being fucked by microsoft?
Get the w10 enterprise edition that gets patched for 4 more years.
You should back up your windows 10 pc as an image and use it as a virtual machine on the Mac or some other Linux environment. Once support stops nothing really bad would happen, besides security stuff and maybe perhaps some unexpected hugs. So you could just disconnect it from the internet too but the VM option isn’t reliant on the hardware which could go bad.
Intetesting, I didn’t thought of that. I’ll give it a try. If I can get an image to run in a VM to allow me to access archived project when needed, that would be the perfect solution. I’m just worried about all the plugins activation, etc. Hopefully it will work. Thanks!
Unexpected hugs are the best kind of hugs.
Once updates end in October, Windows 10 won’t be secure and probably shouldn’t be allowed to connect to the internet. It will still continue to function though. You can buy a year of extended support for Windows 10 for $30, but it’s unclear whether there will be support after that.
Probably best to start switching to something else, or plan to run that PC offline.
That seems silly to be running offline. There are some businesses that still run windows 98. So why would windows 10 suddenly be way off worse ?
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It shouldn’t get fucked by MS they’ll just stop adding things to it to prevent outsiders from fucking it up. You’ll be alright for now, but keep an eye out for any potential vulnerabilities that get found after end of support. Then that’s when you can start thinking of disconnecting it from the internet. That is if you can’t risk yourself being patient 0. Then in that case you should disconnect as soon as end of life comes around.
or even win 11 since it involves a ton of audio plugins, etc. and my projects would become unsable.
Have you looked into this? Because Windows 11 is so much Windows 10 with a UI change that they didn’t even update the NT number.
Like, Windows 2000 was NT 5, and XP, which was very similar to 2000, was NT 5.1.
But Windows 11 isn’t NT 10.1, it’s still NT 10.
At their core they’re very similar. I’d be shocked if something designed for 10 wouldn’t work with 11.
