I went to a religious private school and they tried to indoctrinate me to fascism
This is what they want
Thats my point, their accusation is an admission. They claim public schools are indoctrination yet their private schools are (I worded it a bit off)
Says the party that literally wanted to modify the grade school syllabus to teach that the 2020 US election was stolen.
wanted toSuch incredibly sore losers…
There’s a reason Oklahoma is 49th for education.
During COVID, the biology teacher at the high school I worked (and later, the fucking department head) was a creationist with a Bible college degree that would compliment students for forgoing masks and explicitly taught anti-vaxx shit.
Climate change is fun too - I put on a PD once and a teacher was really fucking pissed that I was showing data on how Milanokovich cycles do not explain modern climate patterns… literally thought she was going to fight me.
Milanokovich Cycles
That has to be the dumbest excuse for anti-climate change arguments I’ve heard in a while.
Do people really think that every single climate scientist who has dedicated their lives to studying shit that affects the climate, is unaware of and didn’t account for, natural variations in solar energy the Earth receives, which I learned about in elementary school?
well, that’s depressing, thanks for clearing it up.
The department head shit was also extremely frustrating. I wanted the position, had been flow out to a leadership conference by the district the summer before, presented a spreadsheet documenting some of my plans for improvement over five years (detailed, worked with some of the best minds in science education.)
But the anti vaxxer applied too. His great plan was “we should focus on more reading.”
I’m sure the fact that I was 🏳️🌈 had zero impact on the principals decision lol. (Anti vaxxer guy did limp wrist impressions of me too. But who the fuck cared.)
Like it’s amazing. Oklahoma just actively does not want capable teachers.
The kids are not OK
Damn I’m sorry you lost the position to human trash, I’m sad for the kids of your state
Holy fuck do the maga just shotgun acid and become the stupidest zombies?
That’s the neat part. It’s weaponized feigned incompetence.
After Noem got the definition of Habeus Corpus exactly wrong in a recent hearing, some Lemmings have suggested that the RNC stooges in power are all playing dumb. Now, I can’t unsee it. It makes sense: play dirty because your aims are underhanded and illegal, and your opposition is both outraged and busy attacking the wrong thing. Every time we all get in a fit about how stupid this sounds, which takes up valuable space and time from doing anything useful.
Edit: it’s like a misbehaving kid that knows if he keeps telling the right kind of lie he can get away with just about anything.
Edit2: In Greene’s case, her “argument” is also signaling being a “useful idiot” to her base for getting the job done.
Not how drugs work
I mean they would probably be a lot cooler if they were on acid all the time.
They’d probably chill on the whole “let’s make a fascist death cult!” thing too
I wish they would just Heaven’s Gate themselves. Why they gotta drag me into that?
She’s got a BA from University of Georgia.
This isn’t an education problem. It’s pure propaganda and the allure of selling out on social media.
Give someone 1000$ and them it is for the group they manage But the trick is they can choose how much to give and keep the rest. Maga be keeping it all.
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Economics is almost entirely pseudo-science and capitalist indoctrination so that makes sense…
We’re all going to run headlong into a very difficult inflection point in human development as a species very, very soon. Which is the looming divide between people who have no idea how their own minds work, and those who have even a shred of self-awareness.
And not a “facebook/twitter argument” type of self-awareness, but understanding that your intelligence and your understanding of things are entirely separate factors. We are species of cognitive dissonance. It’s baked-in. Everyone, even YOU personally reading this, has some level of contradictory ideas or feelings that you can’t pry apart without effort.
Some people think about how they think, and come to conclusion that they need to make effort to balance out their values and understanding of the world. Other people are going “brain go vroom” and conclude any idea they have, no matter how ridiculous, as long as it aligns with how they feel at that moment, MUST be true because they still think brains are fact-finding machines, not story-telling machines. This is why we have anti-vax doctors and climate-change-denying scientists (although rare) which is because they live in reaction and story-telling, not reason. If anything, education can make it much, much harder to break out of story-telling-reaction mode, because you think your own thoughts far less fallible.
So yeah, education is only part of the problem. We are going to have to figure out ways to teach people self-awareness, how to think about their own thoughts, or we’re going to have billions of brains rotting in an AI/social-media/emotional-porn cesspit in the next decade and they vote and carry guns.
It reminds me of the “missing missing reasons” post, which describes how for some people reality creates emotions, but for other people emotions create reality
The first viewpoint, “emotion creates reality,” is truth for a great many people. Not a healthy truth, not a truth that promotes good relationships, but a deep, lived truth nonetheless. It’s seductive. It means that whatever you’re feeling is just and right, that you’re never in the wrong unless you feel you’re in the wrong. For people whose self-image is so battered and fragile that they can’t bear anything but validation, often it feels like the only way they can face the world.
Her side would rather have state-funded religious schools from age 3-20.
*state-funded-mandatory
Isnt school already mandatory?
Christmas religions.
Except Catholics, who are somehow too woke.
They could add a Trump figurine to pray to and maybe that would help their image? Less physical motion would also be agreeable with orange man…all the kneeling takes a hold of you. Maybe if trump could be allowed to hear all the confessions that would be awesome too lol.
Federally funded school from age 3 to 20 doesn’t sound like education
Yes it does, you bleached Wookie, it sounds exactly like education.
She’s already 6B on the floor since she engaged in personalities bashing Crockett on the floor.
Said something about Jasmine Crockett’s ‘fake eyelashes getting in the way’ so she called her bad built bleach blond butch body
I felt there was a 7th b but she drew the line to not escalate.
Sounds like a stealth insult to bleached Wookies, somehow.
Schools are for indoctrinating children, guys. Train them to fight their biology, conform to a factory setting, and have knowledge presented as something frustrating and difficult obtain. You guys just want them indoctrinated the “correct way” from teachers s stupid and out of date as you are.
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Hmmm, let’s see.
The history of education, like other history, extends at least as far back as the first written records recovered from ancient civilizations. Historical studies have included virtually every nation.
The earliest known formal school was developed in Egypt’s Middle Kingdom under the direction of Kheti, treasurer to Mentuhotep II (2061-2010 BC)
Username checks out.
Seriously, I get it, education systems are often extremely flawed, but education has a long and storied history of being the root of all of humanity’s progress.
We need to do better for our children, but that doesn’t include fundamentally incorrect extremes like “formal schooling is bad”.
I laugh at your progress
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Shit’s a game dawg. We just got a fucking bully problem. Convincing me aint doing shit. Check on your neighbor and carry a fucking brick.
Stupid freeloading children want us to pay for school when clearly we are low on cash after giving it all to the military!
Solution: give the guns to kids and send them off to war.
We tried the first half and they all shot each other, mission accomplished?
Eating food from birth till the day you die? Doesn’t sound like living to me, sounds like an addiction.
Just wait til you hear about water! Everybody who drinks it? Dead. 100% mortality rate, no cure, and once you start, you’re hooked!
Cons are the stupidest fucks this side of alpha fucking centauri.
The fuck does she think indoctrination means? Oh that’s right, they’ve long given up arguing in good faith. There is no rational point to be made, I always forget that.
Anything she doesn’t already believe.
It’s a word that has lost most of it’s meaning like communism
Indoctrination means ‘My children don’t respect what my gut knows to be true!!!’
Okay sure, I’m on his side, but that was hardly a burn. Shit wasn’t clever at all, coulda sent her to the burn ward but settled for a rug burn
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Then you do better.
YO MOMMA FAT
YO MOMMA SO FAT, WHEN SHE SIT AROUND THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES SHE REALLY SIT AROUND THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
Make me nerd
Nah, doesn’t fit the picture at all. But i guess you tried?
Ok
“It is spelled religion, not school”
TBH there’s nothing funny to say here about either of these clowns. They speak for themselves.
Libs have no real defense against the fascism that they support.
Whatever Olberman’s views on education, they’re probably just as shitty and brainwashed.
I thought libs were antifa?
Is libs just another word like woke?
she got engagement and ad-hominem is hardly a burn :/
leaving that musk-fueled cesspool is the better move imo.
It’s not an ad hominem if it’s directly related to the topic of debate
I may agree with Olbermann here but let’s not forget:
Yes I know my enemies
They’re the teachers who taught me to fight me
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
All of which are American dreams
Came on shuffle the other day and inspired me to pickup the guitar for a couple hours and annoy the crap out of my kid
But no point if the education system doesn’t want to teach you but get you more ready for the work force.
People say this all the time like it’s some edgy gotcha.
And while Public education in the United States did really come to full fruition during the industrial revolution, and does do a lot to prepare a person for the workforce, noting not all school are the same…
…I am fully greatful my little rural New England School did a good job teaching me critical thinking. I really loved learning as I grew up and had many fantastic teachers.
To note, over the last 25 years, education funding, for whatever reason, is funded…but poorly. My son is in middle school, I’ve noticed he doesn’t have music class. They have a band and chorus as extracurriculars, but no music theory/history class like I did. I was the last class group to take home economics, and there is no computer class either. Every kid has a Chromebook, but no one is watching a Sweeny Todd on stage, or picking a composer to write a report on. No kid is sewing a teddy bear or making pizza cookies, and they don’t have general computer instruction. My son is in special education, so it’s hard to gauge one to one, but I definitely feel like his quality of education is less than when I was in middle school 25 years ago, especially when we look at “specials”, for what its worth. And this disappoints me.
But education as I see, is not “just to get you ready for the workforce” though that is part of it. A lot of teachers really care, and try to help kids find joy in learning, even still today. Well rounded schooling is important for children to become individuals with the power of critical thought beyond the scope of preparing them to work in a factory.
School where I went, and were my son goes, definitely fit “you get out what you put in”.
I am fully greatful my little rural New England School did a good job teaching me critical thinking. I really loved learning as I grew up and had many fantastic teachers.
To note, over the last 25 years, education funding, for whatever reason, is funded…but poorly
they coulda spent a lil more time on spelling, grammar, punctuation, and composition tbqph. like cmon bro you had to override the spellcheck on greatful.
t(T)hey coulda(‘ve) spent a lil(ttle) more time on spelling, grammar, punctuation, and composition tbqph(quite is redundant).likec(C’)mon(,) bro(;) you had to override the spellcheck on (“)greatful.(”)you think lil is spelled with 2 ts? idk bro i feel like wed say the ts if they was in the word. my favorite is rejecting quite while accepting acronymization
edit: also quite is superfluous, not redundant
edit2: wait what does breathless mean in this context? I’m not breathing between sentences? is that insulting? am i insulted now?
It’s adorable how breathless troll’s get when I beet them at they’re own game.
Stay mad 😂
you assume a challenge where none exists. like, you fr think im being 💯 about spelling and grammar n shit? im not even using capitals? like, i also had to override spell check a lot? … lil wasnt enough of a clue? cmon take a breath homie
Thank you for having such a telling username. I hate feeling unsure about blocking someone who may say something noteworthy in the future.
No such doubt exists here.
I’ve turned off my spell check from my phone to practice. I hope to keep my mind sharp.
(Edit: greatful, grateful, is the bane of my existence since I was young, thanks for reminding me. Im not grate-ful like a flood grate in the road, I’m great-ful. The root word great- means good, happy. The root word grate- makes me think if a metal contraption in the road. This is why my brain does that. I disagree with the root word formation lmao)
I have ADHD, and probably a bit of dyslexia (yes, I still have talk to text on, and used it to spell that word), I’ve learned as I’ve helped my son with his learning disabilities.
I was able to mask and struggle through school undetected, my son not so much.
I got tired of computer programming telling me what word I should type next, autocorrecting words I didnt want it to, and a few months ago turned all that off.
This is a casual place, so I wrote casually and didn’t edit my paragraphs much for such. Sorry if anything was unclear to you. I’m also sorry you felt the need to punch down on another fellow human.
Read an old book from 1850-1900. The grammar in those books will give you a panic attack. Be easy
you get out what you put in
Big facts yes, I hope you got something out of it too
Not as long as the industrial complex is the most important thing to our society. You treat special cases but on average it’s a workforce. You know the Ontario government has an investment plan for higher education because society financially benefits from more intelligent people?
I dont see how the industrial complex is the most important thing to our society, here in the states.
I do see a cultural tendency to associate wealth with success. A notion that confuses me and I dont subscribe to, however is very prevalent here.
In the early 2000 the focus was college prep. College was marketed as the average persons line to success (wealth).
Today I think a lot of teachers are just trying to get through the day. The United States education, in my area, seemed to have peaked when I was in school. When the Bush administration passed the “no child left behind” act… I’ve since watched education go in the shitter. It should have been called “pass every student no matter what”. Also around 2010 they switched from teaching 5/6 year olds phonics and instead tried “sight words” for a time. A massive failure. I believe they have gone back to phonics now, I hope.
In the states, schools sign contracts with tech companies to supply chrombooks to each student, but like I mentioned, dont teach music composition anymore. Students of today, it’s been noted to me by professionals I work with, absolutely have less tolerance for difficult things than the students 20 years ago. But in my discussions, it’s not evident why. Even children with low/no/modersted screen time stuggle with task tolerance. So I don’t know.
I do know my state (2nd or 3rd state in the country for quality of k-12 education) now has public community college education available for free, or nearly nothing. Ive seen the flyers and buildings, I don’t know much about it, but I’m proud my state is offering alternatives to the large expensive universities. They are trying very hard to invest in the the everyday person here.
Just lay off “school is just a place you are trained to be a worker” alluding it is not important or meaningful outside of training machine cogs. It’s a juvenile thought made with little consideration to other invaluable educational experiences within childhood education. The purpose of school is to have an intelligent, healthy society capable of critical thought so that we may uphold democracy and society as a whole. Have we swayed from this in the last 10,15, 20 years? A good question. But I’ve heard the school/worker machines comment for longer than that.
Not as long as the industrial complex is the most important thing to our society.
Well, it’s not. We outsourced the bulk of our heavy industry to East Asia 30 years ago.
Now the most important thing to our society is sales and marketing.
