Once China takes the semiconductor crown, the US isn’t getting it back.
Glad I get to be alive to witness communism beat capitalism. While the US ruling class wastes its money on dumb shit like “space tourism,” the Chinese ruling class has been investing vehemently into its own populace.
And of course the miraculous Chinese GPUs won’t have any tracking inside, none at all!
just like their smartphones and networking devices, right?
Nah you can keep your Oppos and Huawei routers.
I’m intrigued……
- Why and how do you think China will take the semiconductor crown?
- in what way will communism “beat” capitalism?
- You think China has been investing in its own people? The wealth gap in China between the 1% and the rest is enormous and growing - that’s how all communism ends up lol. Chinas ruling class treat the rest of the population like garbage.
that’s how all communism ends up lol.
You do know, that China is a capitalistic country labeling themselves as communist?
Apart from that you’re right.
The PRC is also quickly catching up in semiconductors, and they actually build infrastructure, unlike the US. Sure, they have a massive wealth disparity and very obviously aren’t communist, but they’re doing a few things right.
Yeah China is actually insane. They’re growing like exponentially and we’re over here at crawling progress
Guess it depends which part of the graph you are on.
So China has a smaller percentage of its population below 10k USD net worth despite having a 45% lower cost of living? That’s a pretty big difference in the number of people who can live comfortably. I’m willing to sacrifice people’s ability to be ludicrously rich for that.
And yet most americans think chinese people live in dirt huts wearing rags, and are forced into slave labor. I wonder if there will ever be a time when politicians stop lieing for their country.
And how do they plan to do this? even if they add (GPS) tracking hardware the Chinese will just cut the connection to the Antenna and the GPU is gone. If they do it in software (like driver) it will just be patched out.
Sure, but now a new company selling Geo tracking shit for GPUs is making billions per year. Problem solved!
Laughs in Faraday.
Bruh… Literally 1984
How is this even legal? I am not even american nor living there, so how would the US be allowed to operate massive and unregulated surveillance through GPUs ?
The US is becoming worse than those they call villain.
If you’re in Europe I’m pretty sure those chips would violate the hell out of the GDPR and as such can’t be sold there.
Even then, as posted in a different too level comment, this is just too easy to fake, or block.
It’s an idiot law for idiots
The US has very low engagement of its voters, so even things that are illegal are starting to happen regularly.
It’s the same as so many countries, once a few rich guys get into power, as long as the guys with guns will take their money, it doesn’t really matter what want, the government gets captured and corrupted.
There’s ways to fight it but it’s a slog. I might give up. It’s not my job to fix it, fixing things doesn’t pay.
Isn’t it the reason for donald? Only like 60% vote, so the “stupid 30%” of the population can be used to grab the power seat?
Basically yes. That’s why Fox News is such an important instrument to the movement. They get their voters primed up and angry all year. They came out and voted against trans people in bathrooms and they are okay to suffer if that is achieved
How is this even legal?
That’s the neat part, if it isn’t no one will enforce it or protect you.
That’s some weird shit
Fascists are weird little guys. There is a podcast about that, it’s true.
How would that even work? But aside from that, I should probably upgrade my GPU before this goes into effect, even if the GPU I want will probably not be affected.
I’d back up as many versions of the drivers as well (different oses, different releases). I feel like this will be implemented drm style with forced network connections baked in the drivers
Yeah, that’s the only way I can see this work. I use Linux with the Mesa drivers, that are part of the kernel, anyway, so there’s not really a need for me to make driver backups.
I use Linux
Believe it or not, straight to CECOT.
If I went to the USA now, they’d probably put me there after looking at my social media activity anyway
and not just through the american archive.org.
but I wpuld say if you can’t hold all the driver files yourself, keeping a list of sha256 hashes or better of them could be worth it too, to later verify their authenticity if you find it somewhere. its also easier to search by hash sometimes
Just did the same. My pc was 7 years old. This may be my final ever upgrade.
Why would they make their own products illegal in Europe?
Senator Tom Cotton
Ah. Yeah, that tracks.
Care to tell more?
Famously he declared that slavery was justified because it was necessary to create the US:
IMHO there are a few, very few, things that Usa should forbid their own people to say.
Glorifying slavery might be one of them. But sadly they are not ready for that, yet.
When Americans were supporting ISIS we look at them like they are crazy, but when they are supporting the confederacy, we give them high up political posts.
Also lied about being a ranger. Stolen valor anyone?
Yeah that is fun and all but I can at least guarantee you that that shit won’t fly in Europe, and likely neither in Canada. I can only imagine other countries will be penning their own laws outlawing this.
So tech giants then have the option to either go for separate chipsets for those countries or stip selling there.
Also, how do you want to implement this? Have the GPU request GPS data from the computer? That won’t be hard to forgr., but let’s say you ge that, then what?
You need to send that info somewhere or it’ll be useless. How? Over the Internet? Ahw, my firewall told you to go fuck yourself. Over its own GPS line? A little bit of aluminum foil can do miracles.
So what are you going to do then? Require an active internet connection for your GPU to work? Bwhahahahha. Have you seen gamers responses to games that require active internet connections to play? You won’t sell shit.
This is again a law designed by absolutely.emoty headed idiots tompleae some other empty headed idiots.
People will just make custom firmware and drivers.
Or desolder the gps module
INB4 the US outlaws Free Software drivers and mandates DRM and locked firmware in all new PCs.
It would be wonderful if this pushes develpment of noveau drivers. But i don’t get my hopes up…
Between this, the tarrifs and the brain drain, why would any manufacturers consider operating in the US anymore?
They’ll still want access to Americans coz there are profits to be had, and they can price gouge under a fascist kleptocracy many orders of magnitude harder than elsewhere.
What they don’t understand is that the fascist leadership will backstab many/most of them eventually, especially if they possess any moral fiber whatsoever. Luckily for them, capitalism has already purged corporate leadership of morality and ethics.
But if we don’t have as much money due to increased prices on life essentials and assistance cuts, how are we supposed to buy all these things? Bad logic on their part, if this is their approach.
There is no bottom. They’ll continue crushing the working class all the way to slavery and feudalism.
Stop expecting logic. MAGA and fascism is a severely psychotic mental illness that is empirically a dead end. A death cult.
schizo
Nah you pretty much established the death cult in 2020. The first hundred days of this in administration you went about doing the most harm to the world that you possibly could in order to save a couple pennies to give back to rich people. The Republican Party is a death cult. Everyone obsessed with some nuanced return to slavery, ending healthcare, and poisoning everything you can. For a smol profitorino
i wish you were wrong so fuckin bad :(
There’s no real push for that to happen. This is about crashing an economy, stealing wealth and creating a a massive almost slave labor class at the bottom.
So it’s about communism? No the other guys wanted that.
Communism is exactly the opposite of that. You’re thinking of late stage capitalism.
Stealing wealth and creating a slave class is what happens in communism. Every. Single. Time.
Remember the slaves with 12+ public holidays a year, 20+ vacation days, free healthcare, free education, free child care and price controls for rent and food and no billionaires and job security?
Where?
East Germany and pretty much all other eastern block countries till ~1990.
Sounds like US capitalism in 2025… tax the poor (slave class) to give more money to the rich.
Yea I’ll share some down votes. I was laughing because the president was just threatening an American company yesterday, telling it how to operate. Telling it where to operate. Like isn’t this what they screeched legendary communist Obama would do? We just switched to a centralized planned economy over night. Welcome to USSR2
Somebody needs to learn to use Wikipedia.
Someone needs to learn not to blindly believe Wikipedia.
Which communist countries/states is this not the case btw?
Somebody needs to learn not to blindly believe a century of capitalist propaganda. At least Wikipedia cites sources.
You made the claim. You said every single time. Citation required.
Which other guys? The couple thousand people who voted third party because they didn’t view Harris as an acceptable compromise between fascism and humanity?
Why would any manufacturer want access to the biggest market in the world? Hmmm let me think about that……
Senator Tom Cotton’s legislation seeks to “prevent advanced
AmericanTAIWANESE chips from falling into the hands of adversaries like Communist China.”FTFY
Nvidia, Intel, and AMD are all American companies. Yes, their GPUs are manufactured by TSMC in Taiwan but they just follow the designs given to them. The layout of these GPUs and the architecture of the chips are all designed and controlled by these American corporations.
So why are they made in Taiwan then? Why not make them in america?
…okay, so invest in Chinese GPU companies? Invest in Chinese GPU companies.
I looked into those recently, actually expected the GPUs to be a lot farther behind than they are. The things that are really pushing them back are the drivers and the outdated process node, but there are already GPUs comparable to the lower end current generation cards from the 3 big manufacturers on paper (and even those have 16GB of VRAM, Nvidia 😤).
The image of China as an uncreative, uneducated backwards nation of drones good only for assembling phones, hasn’t been the reality for at least a decade.
A lot of people in the West don’t realize this because to this day there’s a vicious cycle of people only import cheap Chinese crap because China has a reputation for only making cheap crap because people only import the cheap crap. They don’t realize that China is also making top tier products, because nobody’s trying to import top tier Chinese products.
because nobody’s trying to import top tier Chinese products
oh, but they do, they import it rebranded with western logos
They’re a loooooong way off being able to match any nvida card from the last like 7 years, at least.
You have been dead wrong with every reply. Why are you still trying?
I have him tagged. I see him everywhere, and continues to be wrong all the time. No idea why she even spends her time doing this.
Aww cute. Rent free.
Where are these Chinese GPUs with anything that can match DLSS and any RTX card?
DLSS and RTX are not why these bans are happening bud
Who said they are? What an odd thing to say.
I said that theyre Chinese GPUs cant even match any RTX cards or DLSS. Where did I say they were banned because of that?
the entire topic is an article about geo tracking cards to avoid china getting around bans, and the larger context of that is AI; not gaming
DLSS is entirely off-topic and irrelevant to workloads other than games, and thus the discussion here
Look like there’s lots of Chinese mini pcs using the 395+ Max APU
AMD is awesome ^^ they’ll rule the land of x86 for quire some while imho. But the problem of supporting hegemony is obvious.
AMDs upcoming GPUs are purportedly on par with NVIDIAs Maxwell, but as long as the prices are the same, we’re in the same boat.
Luckily the prices have been falling, largely because NPUs are replacing GPUs as the primary handler of AI workloads - since it’s more performative and saves on electricity costs.
But, in a “free market” competition mui importante.
I can’t imagine this would be effective at all. Assuming it uses GPS, big datacenters could simply spoof the GPS signal, and consumers could block the GPU from receiving the signal (a fully metal PC case is almost a Faraday cage already).
not just that. but GPS is one way communication. how will it call home to HQ?
That’s why they need to be able to monitor everything on the internet.
Not for anything fascist, we promise.
You had me worried there for a second.
