🎵Write to me, Stick Stickly, PO box 963, New York City, New York State, 10108!🎵

Rattle rattle thunder clatter boom boom boom…

Take it a step back…the root cause of most crime (or at least non-white-collar property crime) is social and economic inequality, which is now and has forever been driven by the wealthy ruling class.

Rich people cause all the crime.

Is this fact or feeling?

People I know that work with criminals attest that the vast majority of crimes are opportunistic encounters by ordinary people and “career criminality” is rare.

Of course “I know people who say” isn’t much fact either but it’s more then nothing.

I mean you can also say that that threat of jail does prevent people from committing crimes. But this seems like a pretty hyperbolic group, not really a lot of room for nuance. A lot of these ACAB people could see a cop sacrificing his life to save an orphanage full of children and still call him evil for being part of a broken system with bad people in it.

It seems pointless to argue this. Clearly it is true some of the time and not true others. Even some of the opportunistic petty stuff could have been prevented by timely interventions, especially social welfare programs

However There is evidence that “broken windows” policing doesn’t work, and “stop and frisk” just breeds resentment

But imagine if police had a good reputation for helping people, lived up to “protect and serve”, actually were a thin blue line keeping civilization civil, cared about preventing crime, investigating crime, seeing justice done. Imagine if they spent their time on issues that matter. Imagine if they were able to handle substance abuse and mental illness for the good of the victims, connect the desperate up with social welfare programs. Just by slogans alone we could have a much better world while preventing a huge portion of crime.

Supporting male dominance is part of their real job.

That’s a pig’s job. I’ve watched those motherfuckers forge documents. They show up, shit on people, then cover up their misconduct and idiocy.

They’re not a very good one considering how they have a very poor case closure rate for serious violent crimes, and the state and federal justice systems of the US are disturbingly okay with false convictions and excessive retribution.

Postponed, supressed or relocated potentially but not prevented and when crimes are postponed or supressed as such the desperation increases resulting in more violent and destructive crimes.

The only way to prevent crime is to deal with the conditions that cause it.

How does that apply to cameras used as deterrents? They’re present the whole time.

both are true?

It’s probably accurate to say that police create more crime than they prevent

Cops do not like confronting actual criminals - criminals are dangerous. But they love to intimidate and force total acquiescence from regular people and excuse it by saying ‘its what we have to do ‘in case’ they are a criminal’.

Once criminals figure out that cops don’t want to confront them, those criminals learn to accommodate that. So they get worse. They figure out who they can rob and intimidate with impunity - and it’s mostly the poor. But also, they can break into middle class people’s cars, porch pirate, even B&E into homes, and cops don’t want to deal with that. So many people post on reddit bc cops won’t do a thing if, for example, a disabled person has their motorized wheelchair stollen, so people try to play detective on their own. Have a stalker or an ex who has credibly threatened your life? That might only help them catch that person if you are actually murdered.

Cops deter crime in wealthy areas, but the rest of us are on our own.

Fear of being caught might deter the naive from testing if they can get away with shit, but in reality, there is essentially a truce between cops and criminals, and if you know how to be too much work and risk to bother catching, a lot of what we consider ‘criminals’ don’t have a lot to worry about.

This is saying police aren’t the answer to solving all crime and that the need for them would be greatly reduced if a society were to look after it’s people instead of leaving them to wallow in misery and strife. It’s not anti police to say that at all. Police are misused in many societies as a tool for all situations and then teach them only how to be a hammer.

They also escalate crime. By a lot.

Welfare checks. Minor incidents. Petty theft.

Suddenly it’s a dead guy.

I don’t think you could have a successful society without laws, and you need someone to enforce those laws

This is a very post Renaissance take.

Those kinds of crimes are exceedingly rare, and many (such as rampage killings) are the result of systemic issues that could be addressed in other ways (not merely just regulating firearm access).

No, but it doesn’t mean I’ll never speed again as soon as im out of their view. I’d say at best they delayed a crime from happening. But I get how that has its legitimate usefulness too.

Folks temporarily slow down until they’re gone. Which causes traffic jams and accidents.

If they are only preventing opportunity, the crime will just take place at a different place or time when an officer is not present. The program’s mentioned are aimed at reducing the motive for crime, which applies at all places and times.

The threat of violence from police and incarceration by police are also associated with the presence you mention. These also prevent crime from happening.

The “problem” is that it’s physically impossible to have police everywhere, all the time, for that prevention to be meaningful. It’s diminishing returns and exponential cost. So programs to prevent people from turning to crime, like jobs programs, pay so they aren’t suffering in poverty, affordable and accessible mental health and regular health care, addiction treatment, decent housing, etc. are the logical next steps.

But no. We just hire more cops, give them more guns, and the equivalent of military armored vehicles. They choose violence.

I rarely see cops walking and I’m not in the states. That might normal where you are but I can guarantee that cops have to be called, pretty much everytime you need one. They aren’t the deterrent you think they are.

Also when I see one I don’t think they are increasing safety and security.