• @[email protected]
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    Maybe it’s like Beastars where animal products like eggs are just a pretty normal type of labor

  • Björn Tantau
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    There isn’t ice cream. They sell water based flavoured ice. Don’t know what the English word for that is.

    • @[email protected]
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      In the US, I’ve heard it called shaved ice/snow cone if it’s freshly ground ice with flavor added by a person, popsicle if it comes in a single serving, and sorbet (often pronounced “sherbert”) if it comes in a tub. Usually sorbet tastes the most uniform and has the softest texture, but shaved ice at the County Fair on a hot sunny day hits like nothing else! (Also hits your wallet like nothing else too but that’s event pricing for ya)

      Sometimes we call the squeeze tubes otter pops but I’m pretty sure that’s a brand name we use as a generic term.

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        sorbet (often pronounced “sherbert”)

        Sorbet and sherbert also called sherbet) are actually different. Sorbet is just fruit puree with sugar and water as needed. Sherbert also contains dairy, which adds fat and gives it a richer texture.

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          I don’t disagree that they’re different terms, but I personally know a bunch of people who buy sorbet and call it sherbert, and basically use the terms interchangeably

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      I think snowcone if it’s crushed ice with flavour syrup added (though Snowcone might be a brand name that Americans just use for all of them)

      Or sorbet if it’s frozen fruit puree

      Was thinking of th giant ice block at first, forgot about them scooping health code violations

      • Björn Tantau
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        What about these? Especially the one on the left? They aren’t snowcones or sorbets. You might say popsicle but that leaves out the one on the left.

        Someone said water ice. And that’s the same we call them in German. But I’ve never heard that word anywhere. Maybe it’s a UK thing or so.

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          Oh, here we just call those ice blocks. As in, ALL of those are called ice blocks in Australia and New Zealand.

          There are ice creams on a stick (eg Magnum) which are ice creams in a chocolate shell, but in your picture all those are all very clearly water-based ice blocks.

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        But popsicles can be made with ice cream. Or are these called something else?

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          Popsicles are fruit or water based. If it’s made with ice cream then it’s called an ice cream bar.

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    We have three options here:

    All dairy products are actually non-dairy equivalents that happened to just take the original names.

    There are equally intelligent milk-producing species that either keep themselves in a milk producing state or are otherwise forced into said state.

    Or

    There is an unseen slave caste of lesser intelligent members of species that are harvested for their products.

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      Option 1: the best way to do things, but probably counts as a microaggression

      Option 2.1: probably what Disney would go with

      Option 2.2: the fanfiction explanation

      Option 3: the grimdark version

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        Perhaps it was option 2 or 3 originally which is why all the names are the same but over time transitioned into option 1 in a sort of abolition movement.

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          I could imagine the dairy and veal industry being a very sore subject for cows in zootopia, and casual references to dairy products might be a painful barb for them.

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            Isn’t option 1 all dairy products being non dairy? I’m sorry am i just particularly slow?

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              It is, but they retain the same names as dairy products did. If it was option 4, the cows in society would be separate from the milked creatures, so they might be totally unaffected by thinking about the dairy industry. It is unpleasant for different reasons, though

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                All mammals produce milk, not just cows.

                Assuming zootopia never had a cows milk industry, dairy wouldn’t be wrongly assumed to just mean bovine milk.

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                  That’s what I’m saying. I’m interpreting “original names” to mean that they used to be made out of cow dairy products (instead of just happening on the same names we use), so option three is the only one where the cows in society might be totally unconnected to the dairy industry.

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      lmao #3 is how they do it in bojack horseman. There’s an intelligent chicken who has a “lesser” dumb chicken farm

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        And those “lesser” chickens are created by injecting chickens after birth with something that makes them essentially mentally disabled, though they are still sentient

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          You know what?

          Bojack should be depressed. His whole society should be destroyed. I’m glad I stopped watching the sad horse show.

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      based on all the shit that cars 2 not only implies but explicitly shows on screen (genetically inferior racial underclass hell-bent on destruction of the civilised world, engine transphobia, sentient beings welded in place to do their work, force-feeding a man until his heart literally explodes out of his body, cartholicism), i would not at all be surprised if it turned out to be 3.

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      There is an unseen slave caste of lesser intelligent members of species that are harvested for their products.

      This is why you don’t see monkeys in zootopia

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      There is even spontaneous milkage just squirting around all the time it seems (at least that’s what I’m told, by an unaffiliated & deprived third party).

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          Oh, like of morals, the rejected one from society. I thought it was old English.

          deprived(adj.)

          1550s, “dispossessed,” past-participle adjective from deprive. As a euphemism for the condition of children who lack a stable home life, by 1945.

          from

          deprive(v.)

          mid-14c., depriven, “to take away; to divest, strip, bereave; divest of office,” from Old French depriver, from Medieval Latin deprivare, from de- “entirely” (see de-) + Latin privare “to deprive, rob, strip” of anything; “to deliver from” anything (see private (adj.) ). From late 14c. as “hinder from possessing.” Replaced Old English bedælan. Related: Deprived; depriving.

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            Ah, I assumed you had meant to type"depraved" and thought to do a funny, but I guess that also works.

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              Oh, I def meant that!
              It’s just what my keebler autocorrected to & I assumed that was the more usual/used of the two words (and was too lazy to look it up since I knew it could mean the same).

              My brainhole mixes the two a lot bcs I don’t know how to English (I’m bad at all languages tbf), maybe now that I had a convo about it will be better.

              I started mixing the two after Dork Souls, where it’s a starter class you can pick:

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                Understandable.

                Affect and effect must also be a fun one in that case. Or assure, ensure, insure.

                English do be a bit of a mess sometimes.

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                  Lol, but those two never bothered me, I can ‘just automatically tell’ which to use (even if both can be verbs & nouns). Also stuff like which witch to use, it just never settled in the same association pool in my brain I guess :).

                  Now, left vs right also gave me a lot of issues until I just forced myself to invest however much time of active learning it needed to get etched into my skull (in my late 20s or early 30s).

                  Colours (in all languages) also aren’t the easiest for me.

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    Also why does Mickey Mouse keep Goofy’s intellectually disabled relative as a pet? It’s the sort of messed up thing I’d do, but not suitable for a children’s character.

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      I’ve never understood this reaction. Goofy and Pluto are both dogs in the same way Humans and dogs are both mammals. They’re not the same, just visually similar, but Goofy has more in common with Mickey than Pluto.

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        Ok, but a dog’s a dog. So in the case of pluto, it’s either a disability or pet play. Pick your poison.

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          Neither, he’s just a dog. Is your (hypothetical) real-world dog disabled? Is your dog engaging in kink? No, it’s just a dog, and we’ve generally accepted that it’s ok to own/adopt one into your home.

          Is a marmoset that is owned/adopted as a pet by a fellow simian human somehow mentally disabled or engaging in pet play? No, it’s just a monkey, and sometimes they’re pets.

          Just because a human and a marmoset are both simians, both primates, doesn’t mean we treat them the same. The same is clearly the case for Goofy, Mickey, and Pluto.

          There’s a lot of examples of non-personified cartoon animals in those comics and cartoons, typically in the background. It’s just how the world works, animals owning animals, just like us.

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            So if I own a human as a pet, that’s cool? Two humans in this universe is the same as two dogs in that one. A marmoset isn’t a human. It’s not a proper comparison. If you see a human being led around on a leash in this universe there are two options. Usually in cartoon universes mammals are anthropomorphic and birds and fish are not but if you have a universe where dogs are anthropomorphic and one of them is being led around on a lead, that’s not right.

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              But they’re not the same, that’s what I’m getting at. One of them is a man who walks and talks, and the other is just a cartoon dog. Idk why that’s so hard to understand.

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    I can’t forget the chicken in Beastars (similar show to zootopia but not for kids) who sells her own eggs to other students and is proud of it.