Indiana. We’d fail so hard and so fast that I literally cannot imagine it. People are nuts. It’d be instant MAGA-flavored Mad Max if they felt like they had an excuse to preemptively defend themselves with their guns across the countryside.
Alabama. Not enough federal money in the world to keep that state afloat.
If they split from the Union, everyone starves.
Californian here, bye Felicia. I’m fucking done with my hard earned money going towards ungrateful backwoods idiots that actively hate me, my state, and my neighbors because they’re told to by thuh teevee, yet don’t realize it. I’m done subsiding hatred for the sake of it, because “it’s the right thing to do.” I’m done being at the political whim of people that can’t spell potato. I have a lot of heart for my countrymen, but considering far too many of them hate us for reasons they don’t even understand, I don’t see the point anymore.
I just hope they automatically give former residents citizenship. I’m stranded out in the badlands for now.
You should have a US Passport and all your documents needed to get it on hand and in a fire safe.
So, explicitly maintain the societal shadow-rung of illegal immigrants…? Can’t say I love continuing to underwrite that idea.
A US Passport implies you were a US Citizen once
Personally I would respect all US citizens as Pacficians automatically unless you were an accessory to the Trump Admin or ICE (Whatever the fuck you did is Treason, you don’t get to keep citizenship, you don’t get to join our new cool country and if you try to stay, we will respond with capital punishment).
I would partially base it on tax records, honestly.
And yes, I’m specifically trying to exclude billionaires who declare their residency in zero income tax states; they’re specifically trying to evade societal responsibility in the form of tax avoidance, so we should avoid making them a part of our society.
Clearly there’s more nuance to be implemented, but I think addressing wealth inequality very pointedly at a foundational level would be a GREAT idea.
If honestly be curious how that would work out. CA tends to know the value of immigration, and i couldn’t really see them holding a policy of closed borders, at least not in the long run.
Any American balkanization would likely go very similarly to the partition of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. The liberals would be given a period of permission to move to the coasts, and the conservatives to the red states, and in this process communities would shatter and a lot of people would die, but it’s better than a civil war and/or white terror.
i want new england to join canada T_T
Same. Individual states seceding would get nowhere. New England as a whole? That could work lmao
You will all be required to learn French
the owl already got it’s hooks in me a long time ago.
plus my goal is always to move to montreal and have a queer indie bookstore :)
Small enough price to pay
No, not really. While I am not white, I am American through and through. I don’t really prefer to be something else. I just think we should fix what we can. Preferably while we can.
Yeah, it’s a little too late for that.
Agreed, that ship has sailed.
Can’t believe you’re not downvoted. How dare you say you want to change the nation for the better and not just secede
Thank you, that was brave and kind.
I would absolutely prefer to be something else
You can be?
Fuck it why not. This country is proving to be a global liability due to its structure, size, and lack of codified protections for its own handling.
Sure? Balkanization seems like a good way to speed up the process of the Empire collapsing.
Balkan are the greatest thing ever.
plus there is the bonus of schadenfreunde, since they always want to balkanize countries that happen to stand in their path.
Coloradan. Only if a neighboring State does, because if not, we are neighboring other borders and we would be landlocked without food or water imports. Its either all Pacific and Front Range States agree we have to split, or none of us can.
Our most populous cities, Denver and CO Springs, are below the mountains, and are screwed in a combat scenario.
I don’t see Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, or Kansas doing so willingly.
New Mexico went Kamala. Border state.
In American balkanization I imagine yall would be a battleground of the literal variety. Colorado and new Mexico would want to join Pacifica and Nevada, Arizona, Wyoming, and Montana likely won’t. But also you’re valuable enough to justify putting up a stink for
Our water? It comes from dwindling snowpack due to climate change. I think you are overstating our pull here dude.
No your missiles and natural barriers.
I think Colorado could force AZ to do what they want just by threatening to turn off the water.
I don’t think the population is as hopelessly divided as the social media spaces make it out to be, but at the same time, the federal government looks more and more unrecoverable from corporate interests and back to the people every single day. It’s probably past the point of return, excepting major societal shakeup.
It feels like there may come a point where the states that are large enough to be countries on their own start looking into any mechanisms that would allow them separation, just to be able to run themselves without federal interference and incompetence.
Personally, absolutely. California subsidizes so many of the red states in this country, and it sucks, because we don’t get the representation we should. We have 10% of the population, but only get 2% of the representation in the Senate.
That being said, I am completely aware that this is Putin’s goal, and that is why there is a lot of discussion online from Russian bot accounts about this.
It sucks when your goals align with Putin’s, because he is such a monster.
I am not a bot, not a Russian asset.
I think.
Yes. In fact, I’ve decided to take a leap of faith and join the California National Party, which you can all check out here: CNP website. I am sick of the usual Republicans vs Democrats. Everytime one party is in power, we are constantly worrying about the loss of civil and human rights. Lets start with a clean slate. If you are a California resident, at least check out their party platform. Also, in 2026, there will be a gubernatorial candidate for CNP. His name is Sean Forbes.
If having human rights is dependent upon who’s in power at the moment, you don’t have human rights.
Right. Which is why I want to break free from the usual bullshit.
A single party like Mexico’s PRE party isn’t the answer either…
I’m not sure where you got that we only want one party in an independent California? Once CNP successfully fights for independence, then other parties can spring up. For example, in South Africa, the African National Congress were the big fighters against apartheid. No they are just another (corrupt) political party. Another example is the Indian National Congress. Members of that party fought for independence from the UK. Now, its just another political party, and they have not had any sort of power since 2014. CNP would have a place in an independent California. But the future after that, up in the air.
but mexico has got way more parties than pri, so much that most candidates winning elections do so with a broad alliance. in fact since 2000 pri only had a single term.
There are Nations with more than 2 parties
Colorado would be Switzerland of North America, but with concussed weed smoking ski bums instead of billionaire globalist
I’m at the point where I think we should peacefully dissolve the Union entirely. Just grant all 50 states full independence. Let the states come back together in whatever new nation or combination of nations they want.
Look at the current state of our politics. Step back and really look at it. Every political system relies ultimately not on a constitution, but on the good faith of the people actually governing. Look at how the current president is wiping his ass with every check and balance built into the system. Words and laws don’t matter, there’s always a bad faith interpretation that can allow the president to seize more and more power. And the Supreme Court is openly giving broad sweeping authority to Republican presidents while severely curtailing the power of Democratic presidents. Bribery is legal, and both parties are completely captured by the wealthy. Oh, and every last scrap of freedom, privacy, and autonomy are being torn down in the path of an ever-expanding surveillance panopticon.
I’m sorry. But by the time your political culture decays so far to allow this level of dysfunction, there’s no saving it. Our constitution is a woefully out-of-date obsolete document that should have been scrapped generations ago. And it was made difficult to amend by people who had no idea how important amending it would later be. It was built for the compromises of the 1780s, not the compromises of the 2020s. We need to go through a new process of Constitution creation, potentially multiple such processes, and come back together based on new compromises that reflect the reality of the 21st century.
This nation cannot be saved. We need a peaceful national divorce. The alternative is likely something far worse, as we hurdle inexorably towards a second civil war.
Note: obviously there are practical difficulties with dissolving a nation. When this comes up, people love to hand wring about the national debt or how military assets will be dissolved in this kind of scenario. These are important but obvious concerns. But national myopia blinds us here. Nations have peacefully divided countless times through history. These matters are always handled through some negotiation process. American exceptionalism blinds us to our possible futures, simply because we are unwilling to look beyond our own borders for inspiration.
I think the only reason states have not truly waged war on each other is that we are part of a union. That’s just my opinion, but many states would simply begin to fail without the feds redistributing wages from states that have good industry and gdp.
Once they don’t get, they will start to try to take, and that fire would spread faster than it could be put out. Again all imo. But us Americans are “a bit shit” to eachother already, to borrow a British phrase.
I actually read this, unusual for me. I appreciate your take, and while your reasons are real concerns, I’m not in agreement with your solution.
Anything that hastens the death of the U.S. is good by me.
No. Imagining an independent future for any state (including California and Texas) is pure cope. The states are so interdependent that attempting to secede would be ruinous for the state in question.
The only exceptions I can think of are Alaska and Hawaii, which might be able to survive if they found another country to keep them supplied and economically connected.
Californian. No.
It wouldn’t solve any problems that can’t be solved by other means, and it would create new problems that we haven’t had to worry about before. It’d be a net loss for everyone involved.
We’d have to spend a fortune on defense.
We’d suffer massive losses from being cut off from interstate trade agreements.
We’d have to deal with massive immigration issues.
We’d probably get our shit pushed in from all the federal military bases within the state.
I think it’s waaaay easier to just oust the current leadership and remove all the Congress members that aided and abetted.
