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Before you finish your first word, you’ll be facedown on the floor by 4 ICE officers telling you not to “resist”
I found a “Dont Resist” tshirt for you:
https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Resist-Shirt/dp/B07NCV8C49
Also this one: “Give Up. Lie down in the woods and let the moss reclaim you”
The real answer is anytime you see ICE acting extra-judicially call the police to report masked armed men trespassing and assaulting people.
Be vague. You don’t know who they are, they look suspicious, they look like they are about to commit a crime, this could be an active shooter/crime in progress , pointed a gun at you…. You know facts.
Normally I’m not the guy to say it, but if you don’t own a gun, you may want to change that.
…if you live in the US. If you live elsewhere, please don’t own a gun. We really don’t want to get that snowball rolling.
Do you think people outside of the US should worry about ICE kidnapping them off the street?
Absolutely not, but american trends have a thing for affecting the rest of the world. There are a lot of conflicts around in Europe as well, which could make people seek ways to protect themselves and their families. And I hope that introducing guns as some household item is not something that happens in Europe anytime soon.
Good luck with that argument.
Good luck getting a gun in most places
I’m an American I don’t need to explain it any more than that
You ever notice how they stand with their hands covering their badges and name plates?
domestic terrorism
And if they won’t show proof of being police, bite the face. It really makes them think twice.
How does this post even make sense in this community? literally written in the sidebar:
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
When an employee is investigated by hr that’s the company investigating itself and people get fired that way.
This is a SLIGHTLY different case than what the sidebar mentions.
Yes, asking asking the police to investigate themselves is a non-starter.
This post is advocating turning the state/local police against ICE, a federal agency.
I agree, it’s unlikely to make a difference. But if you call 9-1-1 and report “Masked men in an unmarked car just kidnapped someone”, it’s way different from asking internal affairs to investigate another cop.
So, just generating reports?
Establishing a paper trail for subsequent investigations, yes.
investigations
By whom?
This post is advocating turning the state/local police against ICE, a federal agency.
More than 600 local police agencies are partnering with ICE: See if yours is one of them
I love living in Illinois.
They use FUD against us.
Perhaps we can too?Nah who’m I kidding
The ICE and Police are more organised while kidnapping people than they would be when trying to arrest an actual criminal.
Thank you for responding. While I don’t agree I can see your reasoning and appreciate your approach of communicating it in a transparent way.
After making the comment we ended up with a live example. LAPD escorting CBP off the grounds of Dodger Stadium. So local pressure CAN be applied.
I’ve been wondering how does stand your ground work with a force of people not identifiable with guns. There is no way to know if someone is an ICE agent or an impersonator. It doesn’t help the police literally just feel for one themselves with the recent murder.
This question depends enormously on what state you are in, and a bunch of other factors that im simply not going to discuss here because i am not a lawyer and I dont want this taken as legal advice.
Now, in Indiana (the state I live in) you are only really allowed to respond with a proportional response. But the nice thing about “a proportional response” is that it doesn’t mean you can only use a gun if they have a gun. If you, or someone else, is in immediate danger you are allowed to use your firearm. This would also apply in something like a robbery (even if they aren’t armed), or in a SA case. I would imagine “I/someone else was being kidnapped” could be a good defense. And in Indiana cops are not excluded from stand your ground or castle laws.
Now another thing that I think people get wrong is that castle and stand your ground laws are usually not actual laws, but more of a framework built around case precedent. So if you use your gun, you will still be arrested and have to go through a trial which I personally think is a good thing. It’s kinda like fair use, it’s a widely accepted defense and there’s a bunch of precedent about it, but there is no actual laws saying what is an isn’t fair use.
But again, I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. And tbh, I’m a little more pro-gun than a lot of leftists and IMO blasting and going to jail is significantly better than what could happen if you get kidnapped.
i was under the impression that the guy was just wearing basic police uniform stuff like the blue outfit and maybe a utility belt, but this freak had bizarre tactical crap and a LATEX SKIN MASK that completely covered his head
God damn, people. Didn’t masked ICE agents snatch the New York City Comptroller and the migrant who had showed up for a hearing from the center of a heavily policed immigration court? Did anyone on the NYPD try and stop them?
You can see a local police officer in the fucking headline image. He’s holding back the press and letting masked ICE agents do as thou wilt. If the local PD won’t stick their necks out for a municipal senior official, what are the odds they’re going to do it for you?
This, after a sitting US Senator was arrested during a press conference? Who are you fooling?
Still recommending it because if the pigs show up and kill the pigs everyone wins.
That’s not how it works. If local cops show up, they only assist ICE. The NYPD in this photo were Brad Lander’s (Elected official being kidnapped) entourage. When ICE turned on him, they held the press back from ICE and then the senior member of their group cooperated with ICE and left the building alongside them and Lander. No asking for ID, no asking for a warrant from them, zero resistance, only assistance.
If the Dems want to actually exercise their right to resist a kidnapping they should be showing up with private security, or exercising their own 2A rights (Something that pretty much only politicians and friends of cops can do in NYC because NYPD gets constitutionally-questionable veto power on gun permits). But I’m guessing that is exactly what the Trump regime is waiting for. They will send in the national guard once that happens.
Didn’t they already send in the national guard and marines into L.A.? I don’t think he feels the need to wait for us to actually start shooting these thugs.
Good comment . I was being too flippant.
Great point
Yeah. Cops will help the situation…
Exactly. If you have a problem and you call the cops, you now have two problems.
Anyone have the phone number for the mob or local gangs? Maybe they can finally bring some small semblance of justice to these situations.
Utterly delusional to think any of that would work. At every step you would just get your face beaten in. When the cops come they too will just beat your face in.
Thinking you can castle doctrine a squad of ICE agents is equally delusional. You could probably take a couple out but you’d still die in the end and be risking the lives of anyone that lives with you.
The only solution is well known and already in practice in places like LA: have an active community response force that will show up and intimidate and harass the ICE agents. All of the previous delusions assume you, alone, can stop an ICE with just your privledge.
show up and intimidate and harass
Well, show up and exercise first amendment rights certainly!
Second*
possible alternative would be to slash their car’s tires. don’t let them “get away” with this.
Suicide by ICE not even my third choice but ya that’s where discourse is at rn huh
There were posters stapled to phone polls in my area with what to do when ice is around. Demand id, demand a warrent etc etc.
The next day there were news stories of ice not even caring about any of that.
They do not care about the law. Lock your door and hide. If you’re a neighbor tell them no one’s home. That’s about as much as you can do as an individual.
If you can’t stop them, taking a many out with you as you can is not the worst option.
Sometimes you resist even if you know you will lose. At least it spends their time and exposes them to lawsuits.
If you want to be as annoying as possible out of spite or martyrdom I can respect that. But that’s what it’d be.
yes, I know that anyone doing anything but whatever nonsense they’re told is a dissonant and personally conflicted thing for you. Sorry about that. Its not a comment on your choices, just a statement of my own. I couldnt care less what you do or why-- I’ve seen your comment history over time. We never agree on much. Truly-- Good luck to you, centrist.
Life isnt easy, and I dont begrudge anyone not aligning to my worldview. Maybe what looks to be nonsensical to me is actually the right way-- I wouldnt be shocked to be wrong, compared to a centrist anyway. I’d be surprised if a right winger were right about much of anything.
I advocated for organizing community defense groups to harass and intimidate ICE agent, instead of individualist adventurism and you call me a centrist? Where you drunk when you wrote this?
Tbh this is my plan if I see them, but starting with the calling 911 about the masked gunmen abducting my neighbor.
You know the cops watch the news too and will immediately guess what your up to. At best this is just trolling the cops. At worst you’re calling back up for ICE.
What I’m up to? Trolling? PD and feds don’t work on deportation together. I call a dispatcher and tell them I see an armed abduction, they’re going to send someone.
PD and feds don’t work on deportation together
Only if the city has explicitly forbidden them from cooperating. Many more have cooperation agreements with them: https://themarkup.org/tools/2025/04/16/law-enforcement-ice-cooperation-tracker
I call a dispatcher and tell them I see an armed abduction, they’re going to send someone.
That’s assuming it isn’t standard procedure for ICE to alert local PD to prevent this very scenario.
The only thing that can prevent ICE from abducting your neighbors is you and the rest of your neighbors working together.
Yeah, I hear you. Biased by personal experience and observation. Makes sense.
Btw, nice username!
It happened at one of the protests. Someone asked one of the officers for their badge number and got their head battered.
No badges, no uniforms, driving unmarked cars and wearing masks? I think any person could successfully argue in court that they thought they were being kidnapped by criminals.
You’re probably right, but you’d have to make it to court. Not everyone does…
You’re still thinking as if due process and legality matters
court
:(
If ICE is coming for you, then you’re not seeing court. If you’re some interfering bystander then maybe you will. But then you’re plan to lie to the judge and say you didn’t know? The judge will see through you’re bullshit immediately.
Like that could only work if you actually were ignorant and even then you’d have a long up hill legal battle to establish the precedent that its sometimes OK to shoot law enforcement. IANAL but I think thats a liberty the state has never been conceded.
If you live in a society where masked gunmen, who are answerable to NO ONE can black-bag and kidnap you off the street, then it’s time for folks to have an honest talk with themselves about what kind of society they really live in.
then it’s time for folks to have an honest talk with themselves about what kind of society they really live in
The greatest! Amerikkkan society! The one they voted for!
People who haven’t had this talk yet need to be aware that they’re late to class and should try to catch up.
You never get to court, that’s the point the previous comment is making.
As an individual trying to stand up to them you’re somewhere between being either completely ineffectual or making the situation worse. Having the law on your side doesn’t matter because it’s impossible for you to summon the enforcement of it fast enough to help you, assuming they even would.
A local community response that will mobilize and appear in your neighborhood in seconds is basically the only way to respond quickly with enough force for them to care about.
Yes, but I have a justifiable defense.
If I’m at risk of being thrown in a hole and forgotten about, I see that as my life is at risk. I will demand them to identify and if they don’t, that’s where the 2A comes in. At that point I’m literally fighting for my life however you look at it.
The people in LA Matt have been tracking and following the ice vehicles to some extent. We need that everywhere.
Folks also need to be tearing down the local deathcamps, and rescuing the people still alive in them.
No. When an armed, masked man with no ID assaults you, you fucking shoot him dead, or do your damnedest.
or do your damnedest.
RIP
… So anyway, I started blasting …
They wear the masks so they can’t be identified. They don’t want their kids friends and school friends to know that what they do.
I don’t think they care what their family thinks of them … I think they care about how angry democratically minded citizens see them as unidentified fascists hiding behind masks
If what you are doing is legal, legitimate and moral … then you never have to mask your name or hide your face
If what you are doing is illegal, immoral and highly dangerous to everyone including you and your family and you know it … then you are more apt to want to hide your identity and avoid having to deal with the repercussions of what you know is wrong
If what you are doing is legal, legitimate and moral … then you never have to mask your name or hide your face
Disregard this, hide your face at protests people
Great idea.
Hopefully they’re not already five deep on you and have you handcuffed and took your phone.Hopefully they’re not already five deep on you
Its fine, I’m into that. Or I can pretend to be.
Don’t even engage; just call 911 immediately. If they’re not proactively proving their legitimacy they’re already guilty.
