They are citing ONS figures of excess deaths as proof the vaccines are killing people. I tried to explain that not being able to get a doctor’s appointment, staying home and getting fat, etc explain the figures (official sources have said it too) but they said it’s “gaslighting” and then said their family doctor wouldn’t get the vaccine.
“It couldn’t hurt to get a second opinion, at least, right?”
“Bye.”
Then leave and stay gone.
Tell them that you’re a sheeple, and got the safe dose of the vaccine, since they want to keep the compliant people around. Tell them it’s too bad they’re on “the list” of bad people.
You stop speaking to them.
They’ll either come to realize that there are real world consequences for being a dumb asshole, like their friends and family abandoning them…or they won’t. Either way, you win.
If you think they’d be open to it, try Bayes’ theorem. Ask them to give percent likelihoods for the following:
A. The odds that the government (or whoever) is trying to kill everyone, before taking the evidence of excess deaths into account
B. The odds of seeing excess deaths for any possible reason, not just their conspiracy hypothesis
C. The odds of seeing excess deaths if the conspiracy hypothesis were true.Then logically, the odds of the conspiracy being real given the excess deaths should be A*C/B. If you disagree with them on the outcome, you must disagree on one or more of the assumptions (probably A—if it’s B, you can find the objective odds by checking historical data).
If you still disagree on the prior assumption (A), you can set aside the excess deaths argument and ask what other evidence led them to form that prior assumption. Then you can repeat the process until you either reach agreement or they’re left with an assumption they have no evidence for.
You can’t use logic to talk someone out of a position they didn’t use logic to get into in the first place
Well, not with that attitude.
…You are asking people who… willfully choose to be idiots to… do science?
I mean, you do you, but at the point someone is willing to believe “the top scientists in the world are trying to get you killed” you might as well consider them lost, as they are ignoring elementary-level statistics.
People are different and respond to the same message differently depending on the source. OP might have an in with their loved one and therefore a chance of changing their minds.
That’s a nice sentiment but no, it won’t work. If your family member rattles conspiranoia to your face, it means they already don’t care about you to enough a point to not only openly do that, but also they are probably unvaxxed and likely unmasked at the moment. Or every single time.
At that point, they don’t care for you. Period.
Or they care about you and want you to “see the light”. Most people drinking the conspiracy kool-aid aren’t evil, just gullible and ignorant.
Ask for the comparison in excess deaths comparison of vaccinated versus unvaccinated.
Maybe not the answer you’re looking for, but I have an uncle like that.
I suggest going no contact if you can.
Reason being, they don’t care about facts, nothing you say will convince them.
Tell them that’s completely true, and that if they keeps spreading the truth the black vans will come for them, they know too much.
The birds have already heard the rumors, and the clock is ticking. They better do something and shut up before they end up in “the facility”.
My mom said basically the same thing, putting a date of 2 years on anyone who got the vaccine. Here we are way past that mark.
She’s still a lunatic, and I’ve been low contact with her for months now.
Oh my god I met a few of those people. Every single person that died they’d say it was the vaccine. Every time a headline about a celebrity that dies “yeah they SAY it was cancer, but they took the vaccine only 6 months ago, know what im saying? Open your eyes!”
Like mate, people aren’t just going to stop dying.
Every time he lies about vaccines you break one of his fingers and tell him lying is bad for his health.
Jokes aside, ask him who his doctor is, call up his doctor on speaker and ask the doctor if they’d recommend vaccines. He is almost certainly lying to you because he thinks “you believe doctors, ergo I will lie and say a doctor supports my position in an attempt to manipulate you”.
You just stop talking to them entirely. Sorry.
What’s the best way to respond to a family member who says the COVID vaccines are being used to depopulate?
“You are a fucking idiot” usually does the job.
“That is a fucking idiotic idea.”
Attacks the idea, not the person. Probably will be the same result, because they probably were a fucking idiot to believe that stuff, and they are very attached to stupid ideas.
Attacks the idea, not the person
Well anti-vax are idiots so there is that.
Probably will be the same result
Precisely. If someone is an idiot, they won’t understand the difference anyway.
You can’t logic someone out of something they didn’t logic themselves into, and they definitely got emotionally attached to antivax before they found “statistics” to back shit up.
This is the answer.
You can’t reason someone out of an unreasonable position.
The only response is to ask them what evidence they would require to change their position.
They’ll inevitably reveal that their assertions are merely beliefs because it’s not practically possible to prove nor disprove them.
I generally reframe it from a perspective even they think they understand: Money.
Governments want their money. Less Population = Less Taxes for them to take, ergo, no government is trying to lower their population. And do they, the audience, think that the government is willing to have less money?
I don’t think so!
It’s been three years, where are all the bodies? Where are the people crying out for their lost loved ones?
Oh that’s right, the ones who died, died of disease and you can talk to their families online and learn about what happened.
