Useless. Time for the Social Democrats to form their own party.
Looks like there are 212 Democrat reps in the house, which puts it at a large majority which would rather “not cause a fuss” or whatever the fuck excuse they’re trying to bullshit this time.
Useless people. Worthless people.
It’s not about not wanting to cause a fuss. It’s just a losing impeachment that people don’t want to attach their names to, probably the weakest attempt so far because so many Democrat presidents have acted in the same way. Precedent isn’t nothing.
“So many democrat presidents have acted in the same way”
One, doubt. Two, you take that entire excuse and shove it waaaay up your ass.
I wasn’t talking about the entirety of Trump’s actions, just the military actions he took without congressional approval which has been essentially every military action in my life regardless of which party was in power - and that’s what this whole round of impeachment talks was about, this time.
Regarding shoving this up my ass, I’m not into butt stuff but feel free to shove anything that strikes your fancy up your own ass if you like.
What exactly do you think the outcome would be if the house successfully initiated an impeachment?
Every politician over 50 besides Bernie needs to be ‘retired’
All that does is make a whole new generation of politicians become attached to their privileges.
Depend how the retirement goes politician of today have nothing to fear we need the cult of luigi to start the luigining
I don’t understand what this comment means. The alternative is to… let them serve until they’re 80-90 years old? We need younger politicians who are personally invested in the future of this country and the planet. And term limits. We need them both.
You’re advocating a reset without a change to the underlying system. Expecting a different outcome is insanity.
Meanwhile, you’re advocating doing nothing
Am I? Please copy/paste that bit.
Don’t be coy, people are pushing for change and all you have to say in response is that the fundamental systems are still in place.
No shit, but your revolution won’t come from sitting around and waiting for it to start.
So that was what I’m advocating, sitting around and waiting? I’d have to ask you again to copy/paste that bit…
You do realize It’s not binary, right?, It’s not a choice between voting for democrats or sitting around waiting.
Did I say I didn’t want to change the system? But it’s literally impossible to do if we let these old, entrenched politicians stay in power.
Yea, an actually democratic system needs to be implemented first! And we would solve that too via that step, very few democrats would survive if an actual choice were to be given to the people!
He should have no privilege for that.
Suddenly 99 JD Vances in the Senate.
What the actual fuck
“If it won’t be successful, then work against it instead of showing support!”
Dems
Warm fuzzy feelings are good. Actual results are far better.
This certainly won’t embolden diddy Don. Dumbass
Trying and trying again to improve the odds of success are better than shooting yourself in the dick if you don’t expect to succeed.
Have fun with that. Even if Dems somehow manage to regain control I expect they’ll be just as impotent as they were 2021-2023, doing little to nothing fixing/undoing this mess, much less making any actual PROGRESS. Why do I think this do you ask? Because it’s what they ALWAYS do.
Taking the black pill is worse than useless
Warm fuzzy feelings are good. Actual results are far better.
Which did we get in this case? Seems like neither to me.
This is one of those times where the Dems are trying to quiet the kid provoking the moronic yet excitable school dean.
I mean, an Impeachment trial without any possibility of removal seems pretty pointless, yeah. It takes 67 Senators to remove. The DNC with caucus have 47. They probably don’t even have enough votes to pass a simple majority purely symbolic impeachment, much less removal from office.
The Democratic party has always just been another branch of the wealthy. Neoliberalism is a cancer that really kicked into gear when Heritage Foundation-backed president Ronald Reagan came into office. Obama (I believe in his second term) said that back in the 80s, he would have been considered a moderate Republican.
Here is the full list of Democrats that voted to table the articles of impeachment.
Find yours, call them, and let them know they’ve failed to represent the people interests.
Ro Khanna doing his standard move of cycling back and forth between pretending to be a progressive and just being utterly spineless.
I truly hope “refused to impeach President Trump” becomes a purity test in the next primary. That’s a lot of incumbents to kick to the curb, but with this vote it’s well warranted.
Only problem with this method is that there are those who voted for his first few impeachments but not this latest one, so they can say they have in the past but not specify which one.
Also it’s a sad state of affairs that we have a President whose been impeached several times.
Give a date and time. Motherfuckers you don’t get credit for kinda representing the party sometimes.
No spine
Thank you. One of my representatives, Gabe Vasquez, is on the list and I messaged him. Funny that he put out a press release condemning the actions of bombing Iran but doesn’t want to support impeachment. What a turd.
On the other hand, if they did vote for impeachment, call them and tell them to keep up the good fight.
Don’t do this. Just primary them.
Do both, so they know why they lost.
It’s so other Democrats know why they lost. The message is for them but they won’t get it until it starts happening.
I wish the office came with a mandate that they’d personally have to field constituent calls 4 hours a week.
But like so much else, they aren’t going to legislate accountability for themselves.
Also, if your rep is not on the list, call their office and express your appreciation that they voted to move forward with impeachment.
And then send them out to pasture like Andrew Cuomo.
It can be done. Do it enough, and you’ll have a party that actually represents the people.
Yup, that’s what democracy is supposed to be all about giving engaged citizens the tools to change the system to reflect their values!
God damn it. My local rep is one of those assholes.
Start beating on those primary drums.
I have sent my rep an email telling him he’s lost my vote, and will be looking to support his primary opponent come election time.
None from Wisconsin, wtf California?
Well, I’ve just sent emails to the representatives that I could. Probably half of the ones from my state prevented emails from going out because my address didn’t fall in their district.
I looked up the ones in my state, and I’m just gobsmacked at how fucking ugly the districts are. I know gerrymandering is bad, but when I actually have to see it… /puke
I don’t see my representative on there, thankfully.
Does anyone have a link to which Democrats voted in support of the impeachment?
This Newsweek article only shows dissenters.
Edit: found it: https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2025175
Was surprised WV wasn’t on the list, then realized why and grew even more depressed.
How is this both senators and House of Representatives?
TBH they’re representing my interests pretty well in this case. An impeachment trial would have just been a huge waste of time unless 20 Republican Senators joined the 47 DNC caucus to remove Trump and I can tell you right now with a 99.9% certainty that wasn’t going to happen.
Fuck Nancy Pelosi I swear to God
Reminder that you can also do this if your rep voted against tabling to express support for what they’re doing and they they’re representing you well.
I am going to point to this every time i get told to vote blue no matter who, or when i am told i am not allowed to criticize the Democratic Party because republicans exist.
Traitors, every last one
You people are a disgrace.
People on Lemmy, or Americans, or Democrats…?
I am so cynical already that i laughted out loud reading it.
You cant convince me otherwise but that this world is a TV show for the gods!
Hop on Netflix and watch the one season of Kaos, with Jeff Goldbm. it’s pretty great.
Nah
Make no mistake. This is a game of politics. Nothing more. They’re not doing anything other than playing a wicked and degenerate game of human chess. They don’t care about anything other than their bottom line. They’re basically saying fuck the American people how can I personally benefit from this!
All I’m saying is that we need more Zohrans, in every city.
There are probably a dozen things they could (and should) impeach Trump for. This isn’t actually one of them. Presidents are authorized to do air strikes.
The left is usually not as ignorant of the facts as the right, but this is one of those cases where the left is ignoring the facts. The President has authorization from Congress to do limited military action. Should all of the Presidents before been impeached for doing similar one-off air strikes? Seems you want to impeach Trump based on dumb memes about this being the start of WWIII rather it being an air strike.
Did Obama get impeached for sending a SEAL Team into Pakistan without getting authorization from congress?
Also Iran does in fact have a nuclear weapons program. The civilian reactor is supplied Uranium from Russia that’s already enriched to around 5% which is what you use for civilian energy generation. Iran had Uranium enriched to 60% which isn’t useful for civilian reactors and none of the Uranium enriched in Iran is used in their one civilian nuclear reactor. The UN has reported that Iran is keeping secrets from them and there’s been an increase in their Uranium enrichment, which again is entirely a weapons program, the uranium for civilian use comes from Russia.
So congratulations, instead of impeaching Trump for doing all of the corruption, or for deploying Marines on US soil without authorization, or for falsely declaring everything an emergency so he can do stupid tariff stuff, you’ve created a narrative that the left tried to impeach him for protecting Americans from the “Death to America” country’s nuclear weapons. I guess the left is fine with the corruption and deploying the military within the US, but only take action to come to the defense of the Ayatollah’s nuclear weapons program.
The left only seems to want to attack Trump when they have non-existent chance of winning or even convincing anyone of their position. On issues where the left has a strong case, they do nothing.
AOC might be testing the party. She should know who is going to vote for impeachment before the vote.
Apparently there are still majority of congress critters who will ride the horse of greed right into the ground then think they can call a cab.Despicable. The Democrats are a shell of what they used to be. How fucking pathetic, but also expected.
Time to vote 'em out, folks! Eyes on 2026 & 2028, if we make it that far!
Impeachment over bombing Iran was a stupid move, it was technically legal. If you want any chance of success you need to pick something more than “Trump is a big fat doodoo head.”
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, this is the real reason.
In the wake of 9/11, Congress issued a broad, many would say overly broad, Authorization for the Use of Military Force that basically granted the Office of the President open-ended permission for any conceivable martial escapade he might want in the Middle East. Every President of the 21st century has used this as the legal justification for meting destruction onto that part of the world: for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, bombings in Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, and Pakistan, as well as our little-publicized offensive in Northeast Africa.
Due to this, what Trump did is legal. Unfortunately it seems people just want to shoot the messenger now if they say something they disagree with, even if they’re correct.
I 100% support removing Trump from power through impeachment and absolutely think he’s a threat to democracy, but throwing bullshit articles of impeachment at him over and over just galvanizes his base when he continually shrugs them off.
I think someone elsewhere posted that that authorization was cancelled. The real reason is the war powers act, all a president has to do is tell Congress within 48 hours, the tweet is probably good enough as it was ruled an official communication source in his last term.
Just remember many liberals try to tell the democratic party is different than the republican party. Just remember both are bought by PACS and oligarchs
