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Fuck proselytizing religions. No, I won’t join your stupid fucking cult. Fuck right off.
Do you want to talk about Satan?
We enjoy sex, responsible drug use and rock and roll.
I’m listening…
Are the uh… maggoty cum farts optional or?
They’ll grow on you.
That is part of the concern, yes.
All hail Satan!
Anybody who rebels against the biblical god has the right idea.
Fuck all religion. No I don’t want to reject reality to play make believe.
Naw, my religion is cool. I’m a Satanist. We accept reality as revealed by science.
Hail Satan!
Jokes aside, it’s good to see more Satanists out in the wild. TST has been doing great shit, and I’m all here for it.
So you genuinely believe Satan exists and has influence in the world? Where does he live under the Earths mantle?
Because that is entirely at odds with everything we know about reality.
Many, if not most, modern satanists are atheistic satanists. Satan is merely a convenient bit of Judeo-Christian mythology/imagery used to irritate Christians.
While I hesitate to recommend The Satanic Temple due to the actions of one of the founders, their “7 Fundamental Tenets” are a pretty great basis for an atheistic worldview.
Edit: normally, I’d link some resources, but it’s late, I’m on mobile, and search engines exist, so… Sorry, not sorry.
You might want to look up what The Satanic Temple actually believes.
I’m a Satanist. We accept reality as revealed by science.
His response answered your question. Science doesn’t believe in Satan, thus he himself doesn’t believe Satan exists. For the record, most Satanists don’t actually believe in anything “supernatural”. Read more about Satanism here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism#Contemporary_tendencies_and_groups
So he’s not religious and doesn’t actually believe in Satan?
It’s like atheism with extra useless steps.
Being a Satanist while identifying as an atheist is often associated with a specific philosophical stance rather than a belief in a literal Satan or supernatural entities. In this context, Satanism can be seen as a symbolic representation of individualism, self-empowerment, and rebellion against traditional religious norms. Here are some key points to consider:
- Atheistic Satanism: Many atheistic Satanists do not believe in a literal Satan but use the figure as a symbol of freedom, personal responsibility, and the questioning of authority.
- Moral Framework: For these individuals, Satanism can serve as a moral compass that emphasizes personal ethics, critical thinking, and the pursuit of knowledge. It often promotes values such as individualism, self-determination, and hedonism, but within a framework that encourages personal responsibility.
- Philosophical Approach: This form of Satanism is more about philosophy and lifestyle than theology. It focuses on human experience and the material world rather than spiritual or supernatural beliefs.
- Cultural Critique: Atheistic Satanism can also be a critique of organized religion, particularly Christianity, and may advocate for secularism and the separation of church and state.
In summary, being a Satanist while being an atheist often reflects a philosophical and ethical stance rather than a theological one, emphasizing personal empowerment and a rejection of traditional religious dogma.
TL;DR Atheism simply means you don’t believe in a god. It makes no other claims. Satanism encompasses more than that simple perspective.
It’s pretty commendable that you’re trying to educate that person. I wouldn’t have even bothered since it’s clear that they’re asking questions in bad faith.
Paraphrasing it:
So you believe in Satan? That’s stupid.
And
So you’re atheist? With useless extra steps, too.
Here are some key points to consider
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Trolling the politicians who try to violate the separation of church and state isn’t useless.
Sort of.
The satanic Temple chose their name because of the literal meaning of the word “Satan”, which may be the name of the big bad from religious types but actually means “adversary” when directly translated from Hebrew.
Atheists can take all forms, and by no means do I assume what any individual believes, but by the very definition, atheists can be extremely passive in their belief, or more accurately, non-belief. The atheists I know are usually very live and let live, after a while because they realize that arguing the point with religious folks usually doesn’t get you anywhere.
TST is dedicated to the fair use and representation of religions in society. They’re obviously based in the USA where there is a separation of church and state, at least, there’s supposed to be. So the state cannot show favoritism to any religion, but they often do. Usually with monuments like a depiction of the ten commandments placed on city owned land. This is a real and fairly recent issue that TST got involved on. They asked that a statue of Baphomet be placed on the same city owned land, forcing the city into a position of either allowing the statue to be placed along side the very Christian ten commandments, or admit that they are favoring Christianity, which they basically cannot do because it’s a violation of their station.
Satanists are a bit more active, by default, than atheists. Not to say atheists are inactive or lazy, it’s just that Satanists have a very specific target.
Look it’s cool that you’re in a philosophical moral club, but don’t go around defending religion by calling yourself a religion and saying ‘look at me as an example of a good religion’ when you don’t actually hold religious/supranatural beliefs.
And if you do hold such beliefs, don’t claim you accept reality.
n00b doesnt understand Satanism
Science disagrees with consensus reality.
Do what?..
I can hear your avatar.
It’s part of capitalism as well.
Fuck that too!
We dont need to improve the world, we just need to get you to say you to validate our taste in shitty fiction. That’s more important.
Wait, wait, wait.
Talk all the shit you want about how people twist the meanings of the book/religion, there are some very good stories in the Bible.
No there aren’t.
but the stories! The poetry!
They’re not that good, though. Some of them sorta stand up as mediocre. Compare them to an anthology by, like, le’guinn, known more as a novelist who could maintain consistent characters plot themes and tone for the length of a fucking novel. You know who fucking wins.
Yeah that whole Lot plotline is pretty crazy.
% per 100k? This person is making a valid point, but it’s undermined somewhat by the fact they’ve clearly fucked up something.
According to this, per 10,000 people:
- Japan: 0.2
- US: 19.5
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/homelessness-by-country
That’s what I figured they meant.
Yeah, but those other stats are raw numbers. Okay, we have a higher number of unhoused people and food-insecure people, but we also have a higher number of people, period. If you wanna make a point, it has to be per capita. I like how the first stat got this right, but the others did not.
US population: ~350M Japan population: ~125M
Not even 3x as much.
You’re not wrong. I’m just saying, if you want to make that point, you should compare per capita.
Ya might be a good point but it’s a distracting mess
Thankfully we already know a little bit about both of our situations so we get the gist
.2% per year? So we should expect about 10% of people to be murdered by 50?
I was going to say .2% is better than I thought, but that’s pretty dire.
0.2 people, not percentage. That was what they were trying to straighten out because percent per 100k doesn’t make sense.
Eh, the population difference is less than one order of magnitude and the difference in homelessness is two orders of magnitude.
It’s not about that, it’s about “% per 100k” making no sense as a unit. It’s either just %, or an absolute number per 100k. Mixing both together like this makes it seem like you’ve clearly messed something up and don’t quite understand what you’re actually talking about.
Literally 5.7 per 100 per 100,000.
Neither had cake nor ate it
As soon as you get to the “per 100” part you can stop. After that, it doesn’t matter if it’s per 100,000, per 8,759,016, or per 10.
So the fact that they mixed up something so basic makes you question the number entirely. Their point is valid, but undermined by their lack of basic math skills.
I do not trust any stats that come out of Japan in terms of homelessness. If there’s a statistic that’s embarrassing for Japanese society, you know damn well they’re gonna try to cover it up with technicalities.
In Japan, the legal definition for someone who is homeless is: “those who use city parks, riverbanks, roads, train stations and other facilities as their place of stay in order to live their daily lives.”
So that doesn’t include living in your car, living in insecure housing, living in shelters, or living in internet cafés, of which in 2020 there were about 15,000 ‘net café refugees’ in Tokyo alone.
Sooo yeah, Japan can claim to officially have a super low homeless population, because they’ve narrowed the definition so much that you have to literally be sleeping on the street for it to count.
I’ve lived in three different major Japanese cities and see fewer people sleeping rough in a year than I can see in an hour in either Europe or the US.
Sleeping Rough != Homeless though. Granted, almost everyone who sleeps rough is homeless, but not every homeless sleeps rough. Japan only counts people sleeping rough as homeless though.
Also there’s the element of being seen sleeping rough. There are plenty of people sleeping rough out there, but they don’t want to be seen that way so they keep to themselves and stay away from the general public, getting across the idea that there aren’t many of them.
yeah they also fail to acknowledge the suicide rate or the amount of overtime or purchasing power of avg wages.
I’m not making any statements on any countries other than japan. but I’ll add a message to american weebs: STOP FETISHIZING JAPAN
But Japan is so perfect and kakkoi bro, I’ll solve all the problems in my life by moving there and then I’ll become kakkoi bro
They cover it with Hideo Kojima
They also flub their murder rates. It’s considered unclean to handle dead bodies, so autopsies aren’t common and anything that could be ruled a suicide, is.
correlation is not causation, the reason why they have less murders is probably not Christianity (for example they have way stricter gun control)
edit: after rereading the post I don’t think the other person is tryng to argue that Christianity is causing murder and whatnot, so ignore above paragraph
also wouldn’t it make complete sense for Japan to have way less Christians since they were isolated for so long and have their own religious beliefs
Also, Christianity was banned for quite awhile.
A Japanese guy used a 3d printed gun to undermine a christian cult in Japan.
The Moonies are so wacky that calling them “Christian” is a stretch. Definitely not aligned with the Nicene creed, and I think once the founder/prophet claims some sort of divinity it’s better to refer to as Christian derived.
You know what, fair enough.
This part of ‘what your bible says about murder and poor people’ makes it sound like the writer of the response believes it’s causational but i think they were just offended and not trying to make a scientifically sound argument. And i would understand that.
It’s almost racist because of how the first post makes Christianity sound like something superior. As if the Japanese being different in their believe makes them less.
also wouldn’t it make complete sense for Japan to have way less Christians since they were isolated for so long and have their own religious beliefs
Exactly this. Although Japanese rulers haven’t always been very peaceful, their culture is known for being caring and respectful towards others where as Americans are by many people seen as loud and obnoxious (also positive things, but i’m not trying to make a comparison between two cultures as a whole), making this comment about Japanese adoption of Christianity not only come across as ignorant but also very arrogant.
It’s more a statement of the state of Christianity in the United States, where in a lot of congregations the actual teachings of Jesus have taken a back seat to gun culture and right wing politics.
She’s saying that the Japanese are better Christians than Americans, despite not even being Christians.
“Beat your swords into plowshares,” says Isaiah. Yet, here we are, with congregations of people who feel that “there’s nothing wrong with being a soldier.”
God’s first commandment? Yeah apparently that doesn’t mean shit if the other party is a stinky brownskin. I do not see a legal addendum on the Ten Commandments.
“1. Thou Shalt Not Kill ***†”
***† only in participating stores, offer good til Labor Day, see appendix for list of people it’s totally cool to kill
I’m with you, but you’re talking about something like the 6th commandment depending on how you’re counting
Edit: the first one is the “you shall have no other gods before me” bit, with the lines drawn for exactly where each commandment starts and stops drawn in different places for different factions, but I digress. I still agree with your point and I’ll stop typing more now.
So about the first commandment. The idiots have trump. I won’t talk about revelations, because how many hundreds of years nerd to go by to write “yawehs” word.
Although Japanese rulers haven’t always been very peaceful, their culture is known for being caring and respectful towards others:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Japan
Many people try to make Japan sound perfect, but they have a lot of problems: https://archive.ph/0IoIQ
Japan lacks any law which prohibits racial, ethnic, or religious discrimination.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi
Of course still not as bad as the US, but I don’t it is because of religion, it is more because of the two party system. Look at Singapore 18% Christians and they don’t have that many problems.
In the end I believe most problems in all countries are because of human nature, not religion. Religion is just one of the excuses they use for the horrible things they commit.
Many people try to make Japan sound perfect, but they have a lot of problems
Japan lacks any law which prohibits racial, ethnic, or religious discrimination.
I am aware, but the difference in people’s view of Japanese people and people from US is astounding.
Agree with you and comment above, I don’t believe there is causation. Two system is surely not helping to make US peaceful.
Yes the US need to get rid of the two party system. These years it is basically choosing who is less horrible than electing a good president. Both parties are corrupt. Japan also need to fix their laws they are vey misogynistic and racist, they also need to fix the work culture. No one in japan is having kids due their toxic work culture.
Japan really knows how to do PR, they make people think they are great, when in reality for many people Japan is an awful place to live in. Tourist is fine, but living there is horrible from what I heard.
From reddit on racism in japan, can’t confirm if it is true, but won’t be suprised it is. https://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/1diaccv/_/
If Jesus came into the US, he would be crucified for being a “poor woke immigrant communist” (read this as: not okay with the exploitation)
Christianity is a vile, violent, and horribly divisive religion. Its also a pedophilia cult.
huh.
What’s going on with the math here? Percent per 100’000?
That’s what you have to use because they have fewer people per capita. It’s basic math.
But usually, you have total numbers per 100k and that’s the percents. % is parts of hundred, no matter what.
Whoosh
Yes, there just shouldn’t be a percentage sign. It’s not a percentage. The value is probably around 5 something per 100k.
I was really wondering about that phrasing. So weird.
Exactly, the post is meaningless. Unless anyone believes there are fewer than 3000 homeless people in Japan lol.
According to a January 2025 survey, it is.
That “study” has been ridiculed because they only checked for people living in certain places like public parks. Other estimates run anywhere from 10k to over 100k.
Do you have a link to those estimates?
Yes, google how many homeless people in Japan.
edit: excuse me but why the douchevotes? That’s exactly what I did. Do I have to redo it and copypaste a link to the result because somebody doesn’t feel like typing in the search themselves? Wow.
Source: Google it bro
That’s exactly what I did. If they do it they’ll see the same results I saw. I’m not aware of any sort of entitlement that demands handing people links to simple search results.
The world is full of people like you, who know NOTHING about a topic yet feel compelled to make false statements about it without doing even the most basic of internet searches to educate themselves lol
can’t even be bothered to do a simple search huh?
I’m heartbroken too. Anything over 0 is a failure of public education
The US is really just a big social experiment trying to prove a point.
I’m not sure what that point is, but it’s definitely out there.
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I actually wouldn’t put it past them to help bulldoze the entire planet to make an intergalactic highway if it meant they’d get Earth money in exchange. They’re already doing that with the environment, so…
Well, the best times in American history were when corporate and wealth taxes were high and opportunities for the unwashed masses were greatest, and the worst were when the rich were allowed to run rampant, so I think the point America is trying to make is kill the greedy along with their parents and children.
I just woke up, but I don’t think the unit should be percentage per 100k people. Otherwise, I agree with the statement though.
Not only that, 07 > 5.7, I assume missing a decimal point. Their heart is in the right place, their keyboard is all over the place.
Probably this person studied in america /j
Yes am I unaware of a strange way of displaying these metrics or did they just add the % sign for no reason?
i’m pretty confident (p<0.05) they just added a % for no real reason.
Judging from the rest of the post, the person probably has issues with maths.
Yeah, that seemed needlessly confusing to me too.
You know what would be funny? Dropping anonymous tips to the police that random churches are housing illegal immigrants.
ICE thugs are already staking out churches in immigrant neighborhoods and abducting people as they come out, and Trump has made it legal for them to barge inside as well. I don’t care what you think about religion, it’s not funny to sic the American Gestapo on folks just trying to live their lives.
Don’t target the immigrant neighborhood’s churches, hit the rural ones 4 hours away from any major city. Just imagine the ice gestapo sending a convoy of agents out that far and getting nothing.
Even if you choose the whitest most conservative church in the county, ICE will collect the brown person who cleans up after the white folks. And anyone else who tries to defend them, but I’m not sure if any would.
Explain to DOGE how much would be saved by taxing churches at a 95% rate.
You mean doing the things their religion is supposed to?
How about we drop anonymous tips that random churches hide child molestation instead?
I think any anonymous “tips” will result in pinning those crimes on non-white people, ICE deporting them, and then Trump claiming they got rid of criminal illegal immigrants despite it not being true.
Admittedly, ignorance respects no particular faith. That said, Christianity does seem to have quite the stranglehold on it.
I don’t view christianity as a real religion tbh. Maybe way back when it was but nowadays it’s just a way for fragile suburbanites to justify their victim complex and bigotry.
That’s how most “real” religions are.
Oh yeah 100%. I was just going in on Christianity specifically since that was what was mentioned.
I would specify that the views and practices of modern religious have probably diverged to a very likely large extent from that of their founding predecessors, but I’d also imagine those same predecessors also used religion to justify their victim complexes and bigotries. The two groups, separated by many thousands of years, seem to have much the same underlying mentalities.
That’s only because you live in America.
That’s because you see more of them. Or at least what passes for christian in the US. Rest assured that the others are more than keeping pace.
I don’t think she’s really sorry about their heart
Is there something wrong with her heart? Maybe she needs to go see a doc… oh, wait nvm. We’ll just pray the pain away for her.
Japan also has a terrifyingly high conviction rate, something those Christians would cream themselves over.
If you measure the us conviction rate the same way the commonly quoted 99% conviction rate in Japan is calculated ours is actually higher.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate scroll down to the Japan entry for the source. Sorry don’t know how to link it directly lol
Japan is just gaming the numbers here. Both with the conviction rate and with the homeless ratio.
https://www.examiner.org.hk/2025/01/17/the-invisible-homeless-in-japan/features/
According to this link, if you apply western metrics, Japan would have between 100k and 200k homeless. Which would mean Japan has 81.2-162.4 homeless per 100k inhabitants, while the USA has 221.7.
That would make Japan a bit better than the USA, but it’s not that much of a difference any more.
