• @[email protected]
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    “[the app] basically paints a target on federal law enforcement officers’ backs”

    When it comes to painting targets on backs, better them then innocent civilians.

  • @[email protected]
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    Sweet. I appreciate that their reaction has Streisand-effected this app into my awareness.

    • @[email protected]
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      I love the quote about how it is putting federal agents in danger…and I sort of think that they are doing that themselves.

      • @[email protected]
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        Good, those agents are playing a dangerous game and you should know if you play with fire your going get burned. Its a matter of time before they try to kidnap the wrong person, and that person decides its better to die in America then it is to go to a camp then deported.

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        which is great for necessitating the need to give absolute militant power to police forces. It’s like… the PR of him having a ‘meltdown’ is for a reason or something.

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            Probably lots of people in red states. Farmers for instance, people who generally buy the Republican bullshit, but may personally rely heavily on immigrant workers. ICE puts them in a really tough position.

            • @[email protected]
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              I have experienced some recent schadenfreude with farmers who no longer have workers to harvest because ICE scared them away.

          • @[email protected]
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            You’ve made a potential error in underestimating just how horrible some peoples’ lives are and how filled with hatred they are over that fact. This is really what drives so much of politics in the world–disgruntled people with no future who choose to hate others who have nothing to do with it.

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              You’ve made a potential error in underestimating just how horrible some peoples’ lives are and how filled with hatred they are over that fact.

              What fact? People’s lives are horrible BECAUSE of ICE. They’re so horrible that I considered that nobody would be “on the fence” because either you drank the Fear-Of-Crime Kool-Aid or you are horrified at what ICE agents are doing to children and poor people. The entire reason there are people who don’t think ICE needs to be abolished right now is because Fox News and other right-wing grifters have pumped out propaganda making it look like there is a “crime wave” like it’s the Reagan Era, and people living in the Suburbs not knowing what the outside world is like. Not only do they choose to portray a crime wave, they have to do it, because otherwise people would see their president as the power-hungry maniac he is rather than a savior of order. No riot is actually making people miserable, only the police-reported, sensationalist coverage of protests.

              This is really what drives so much of politics in the world–disgruntled people with no future who choose to hate others who have nothing to do with it.

              That’s just the American Suburbs. I hope American states can secede to change this. Meanwhile, in Vietnam, there is a high-speed rail being built. This is not driven by disgruntled people, people with no future, or people who choose not to hate others who have nothing to do with it. Neither is Iran defending itself from an imperialist regime, nor Australia having their left-wing Labour party completely outdo the right-wing Liberal party. America is the villain here.

  • @[email protected]
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    Shouldn’t be an app. It should be a site accessible using vpn and private browsing with an appropriate browser. Nobody should have to worry about the Stasi finding the app on their phone regardless of the situation.

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      While this is true, most people are not so tech savvy, maybe giving an option to mask app Icon to user choice can help it hide better.

      • @[email protected]
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        139 days ago

        going to a website (not tech savvy enough for this) vs going to the settings on an app and select a new icon (yay anyone can do it)

    • Ulrich
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      Websites don’t support push notifications in a way that normies understand. They’re also generally unreliable. And these are time-sensitive matters.

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      It sounds like a honeypot to me. But I would be happy to be proven wrong.

      Edit: and it’s gone?

      • Ulrich
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        It’s not gone, it’s just currently not available in your country or region.

    • @[email protected]
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      Looking at the reviews, ignoring the mega hats, it seems part of the app does not work from time to time

  • Ulrich
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    “He’s giving a message to criminals where our federal officers are, and he cannot do that, and we are looking at it, we are looking at him, and he better watch out,” Bondi said. “Because that is not protected speech, that is threatening the lives of our law enforcement officers throughout this country, and shame on CNN!”

    Why can’t he do that, Pammy?

    Gotta say Aaron is a bold motherfucker.

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      All of a sudden, so many things are “not protected speech”. I find it tempting to be as ignorant as a Republican, but I’d certainly be caught off guard in that case.

    • @[email protected]
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      No, no, no. They painted the targets on themselves.

      This app is telling people where to avoid. Not where to go.

      • @[email protected]
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        Does her word override the first amendment?

        There aren’t many exceptions, and what’s happening on a public street generally isn’t one of them.

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          110 days ago

          Does her word override the first amendment?

          Doxxing federal agents and putting their lives in danger is a crime. The first amendment doesn’t give you the right to do that without repercussions.

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            “the First Amendment protects the right to gather information about what public officials do on public property.” Smith v. City of Cumming, 212 F. 3d 1332, 1333 (11th Cir. 2000).

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              Sure, you can gather that information. You can’t then put it out there publicly to help people break the law, and to put federal law enforcement employees lives in danger.

              • @[email protected]
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                Can you prove that people are breaking the law by the mere collection and existence of this data?

                How about those Flock ALPR cameras showing up everywhere? Can we be sure the collected data is being used in accordance with the law?

                • @[email protected]
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                  They’re not just collecting it though, that’s the point - they’re publishing it on an app that is specifically made to help people evade law enforcement and to target violence at law enforcement.

              • @[email protected]
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                Yes, we should follow the laws like our government officials and police always do. Give me a fucking break lmao.

                • @[email protected]
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                  You can choose to break the law if you want, but you can’t then cry about it if/when you get caught. This guy can make his ICE-tracking app, but he has to live with the repercussions.

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            Showing the current location of [what is supposed to be] a public servant in a public location acting publicly is not doxxing.

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              The purpose of the app is to help illegal immigrants evade arrest, and to help “activists” assault and impede ICE. All illegal things.

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                The app merely informs of locations, you choosing to add all that bullshit to it is your own hangup. Citizens who don’t want to be abducted by power tripping unidentified masked men - who’ve already been south to be violent and aggressive to random people regardless of status are also avoiding those areas. That’s not illegal.

                ICE are the ones breaking the law.

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    Anyone have a link to the app/website? I’d like to follow some among honing my horn and warning folks.

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                That doesn’t have anything to do with how you install the app.

                • @[email protected]
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                  It has to do with receiving notifications from the app in a privacy-preserving way. Unless the app is running with a server connection 24/7 (RIP battery life) you need to rely on the OS to deliver notifications.

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              It’s not about the store, it’s about the notification.

              As mentioned in the Time article:

              the app is not available on Android because it “requires a device ID in order to send push notifications, which requires a user account and a password.”

              • The Quuuuuill
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                i don’t think this other commenter was calling you out. i think they were just bringing up a point of discussion that’s relevant to the point you brought up

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                It’s really hard for me to understand how iOS is better in this sense. The only way to get this app is via the app store and the ONLY way to use the app store is be registering yourself with apple. Seems to me that you are tracked either way.

                IMHO the devs probably wrote this in Swift and just don’t have experience working with android. Whole thing/story is just off IMO.

                I’m really just sceptical about the whole thing being closed source really.

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          It is only for iOS. I haven’t found a similar app for Android.

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    Twenty years ago tracking armed thugs in ski masks would have been called a public service.

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    if they’re worried about being tracked maybe they could do the easiest thing in the world which is not being complete shitheads?

  • @[email protected]
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    I love how the Streisand Effect works. They just made this app the hottest thing out there.

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      It’s closed source, and the build and publishing pipeline isn’t transparent.

      For me that makes this no different than a potential ICE honey pot

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        can’t even find “Joshua Aaron” on linked in or github. feels a little sus. my moneys on honey pot

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        which is exactly what this whole ‘meltdown’ frame for the pr hints at. republicans know how to use publicity stunts to get what they want.

        • @[email protected]
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          Secret police would probably have an interest in lists of people downloading an app tracking their movements no? Particularly if it was downloaded to a mobile tracking device they carry with themselves at most times.

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              Using the app becomes obstruction or terrorism. People who do that will also get sent to camps.

              It seems far fetched but it’s really not. After all, nobody would step to stop either of those things from happening.

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          They could argue that attempting to track ICE is illegal, and all those using the app are to be arrested and tried for their crimes.

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            They already are

            They’re using the cops’ favorite and extremely generic catch-all crime: “obstruction of justice”.

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              That expression LOL
              Obstruction of whatever cops do, OK.
              But usually it has nothing to do with justice.

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          Maybe they’re looking for pretense for more authoritarian action on digital services/internet. We already have a bill in process that opens the door for government censorship of the internet right? They could be priming the public to be ok with them stepping in to shut apps/sites down.

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        Haven’t followed it much (EU), can you elaborate who did what and what can be done potentially?

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          Haven’t followed it much

          Oh lord, where do I even start? It’s an entire shit show. And not the usual political shit show. A really scary one that’s truly heartbreaking. I don’t even really feel safe talking about it

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    Ice and snowflakes always seem to go so well with one another.