• renzhexiangjiao
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    1015 hours ago

    I’m much more in favour of good insulation rather than AC. Mostly because it consumes a huge amount of energy and it can contribute to UHI.

    • PaleRider
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      1015 hours ago

      Most buildings in Europe are already well insulated but during hot spells it doesn’t keep heat out…

      • @[email protected]
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        614 hours ago

        Not sure that’s how good insulation works, if it’s not keeping heat out, then it’s not that good of an insulation.

        But I think I get your point, it’s good enough so that winter time heating doesn’t escape faster than it is produced, problem then being that nothing offers cooling in the summer months. Still ameliorated by better insulation.

        Besides my experience of Central Europe is that insolvency ain’t all that good…

        • @[email protected]
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          13 hours ago

          Insulation doesn’t mean anything beyond 48-72 hours of persistent temps. Human dwellings are not designed to be airtight, because we would suffocate.

          Europe is already insulated to maintain internal temps double-digits above external temps during winter. The problem is they only have heaters; not coolers.

          • @[email protected]
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            312 hours ago

            Insulation only works if night-time air temps are significantly different than daytime temps - like in arid desert regions. Whole house fans are extremely effective under these conditions.

            Say the night time temp is 16C and the daytime temp is 36C. Opening the windows at night and turning the fan on will cool the house down to 18-20C. Then closing everything up in the morning (windows and blinds) the house will only warm up to around 25-27C during the day. Hot but not deadly.

            When the temps peak over 40C and the nighttime temps are 30C, people die without some type of active cooling. Especially if the humidity is high as well. Even a window unit that pulls the temp down to 25C at night can save lives.

  • @[email protected]
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    212 hours ago

    Most building already have it, at home most people couldn’t afford the electric bill to run it

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    113 hours ago

    The Oregon charts are surprising as I understood most of them don’t have AC out there.

    • @[email protected]
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      112 hours ago

      In the Willamette Valley (main population area) most people have some type of air-conditioning. Just a window unit on some of the older construction. Around 20% of the homes have no cooling.

      The state is pushing for heat-pump adoption on all newer builds or furnace replacements. Both for energy savings and to meet the cooling needs from increasing temps.

      https://www.oregon.gov/energy/Data-and-Reports/Documents/2023-Oregon-Cooling-Needs-Study.pdf

    • @[email protected]
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      112 hours ago

      That has been changing rapidly throughout the region. There’s been enough extreme heat waves over the past decade that AC is becoming normalized. Just about any new build is going to have it now. Especially in the Portland or Seattle areas where most people in the region live, the Summers now often also have smoke from forest fires so opening a window for a breeze may not be ideal.