If stability means the pillars of our society are held up by pedophiles bring on the fuckin instability.
Yeah, it’s always funny when conservatives are like ‘careful what you wish for, Clinton was friends with Epstein too!’. Like we give a fuck, lock him up!
This is the difference between “I want my team to win” or “I want the good guys to win”.
It should be a Venn diagram with “I want the bad guys to be punished.” Or a political compass with “I want to get away with raping women.”
Yeah, my dad was going on about “why do all the Democrats want the Epstein files released, weren’t the Clintons in there” and I’m like yeah, I want them to be investigated as well if needed. They can’t imagine people would want the guys on their side investigated because after Nixon, they truly think any investigation of a political figure is for political gain.
I say let’s pull the copper from the walls and demolish this pedo clown world.
Don’t forget about the catalytic converters.
Yah this argument makes no sense even if I imagine being a corn-fed chud in the hills, isn’t this exactly the same “Bring down authority” narrative they’ve been preparing for years? Isn’t this LITERALLY Q-anon’s entire theater play but happening in real time?
Wow what warriors for saving children, look at 'em go! Look at them storm the capitol to bring down this evil cabal who are now actually admitting their existence in public, no code words, no secret basements! Wait, they stormed the capitol already? And it was because of no reason at all?
Well I’m sure they have something big planned to finally put an end to this deep-state scourge to life, liberty and children that they’ve been railing against for decades.
It’s amazing we’ve gotten to this point. Like, holy shit, I’ve got a doctor’s appointment in 30 minutes. I need to ask him to stop giving me these crazy pills.
Innocent?
If they are innocent, how would releasing the document destroy them?
“It’s good innocent fun that boys do, we have to stop persecuting these men for just doing what all men want!”
This is going to be the pro-pedo narrative that the entire right does their abrupt 180 with.
In trump’s mind, there’s nothing more “innocent” that forcing two underage girls to dress up as maids, force them to perform sexual acts on each other and him, sexually assault them, and then tell them they “performed adequately “ before leaving them
That’s oddly specific…
It’s referencing this account. I wish I had a better link than the Daily Mail
Fucking hell I’m in shock. I just can’t believe this at all. There’s no way this happened. The Daily Heil did some serious journalism. The Trump stuff sounds about right though.
Specific yes, but not oddly: this is paraphrasing from an actual testimony of victims.
Trump will play this one like he’s played so many others: “It’s a witch hunt. They’re making up accusations to smear me. They’ll do anything to take me down because they hate me. They hate you too. See how the woke mob treat people? This is why we must destroy them.”
Allegations of sexual misconduct have a mixed history (at best) of being taken seriously. Unless there is airtight evidence locked up in those files which was specifically composed for the purpose of implicating people, and then sealed for blackmail leverage or something like that, I can’t see any charges sticking to Trump. I mean the fucker is already an impeached convicted felon and self-confessed (on tape!) rapist. His flock will never turn against him.
Because rich people are allowed to rape children. Innocence is bought. Sometimes the language they use just exposes what they really mean. You just have to pay attention.
They’re not dumb. The language and the words they use reveals a lot. They are saying that revealing the worst crimes of the capitalist class will destroy the world because the capitalist class will side with pedophiles before they let the proletariat take their power.
They are saying “don’t make us go full fascist death camps. Revealing this will just lead to us treating the entire population like we have Gaza. We’ll defend our pedophiles if we need to to maintain power”
wait wait wait lmao hold on, are you saying the political elite are too big to fail? we can’t allow pedophile rapists to be punished because they weaseled their way to the top? i’m not fucking following the logic of their anger.
I call bullshit on 2/3 of Congress. I believe they’re not nearly as wealthy or powerful as the people being protected.
call bullshit on 2/3 of Congress.
Yeah… It really doesn’t have to be that dramatic. The GOP would be more than willing to bury any kind of evidence if it only endangered a couple of their mega donors.
I mean I’m guessing that the people wealthy enough to partake in pedo island probably aren’t a fan of paying taxes.
Well maybe it would destroy them by taking out their donors?
Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans will ever release the Epstein files. Yes, this is a case in which “both sides” applies. I don’t understand why we didn’t pressure Biden to release this shit before the election.
Yeah in fact a lot more than 1/3rd of Congress voted to release the files. 211 Republicans voted to shut down the release. Seems more like a simple majority of congress is negatively impacted by the pedophile ring being exposed.
I think we should expel 2/3 of Congress based solely on if they take corporate/billionaire money or not. That number would probably be higher than 2/3, though.
But also expelling violent criminals would be nice, even though likely all the violent criminals in Congress are also corrupt.
Every House seat and 1/3 of the Senate seats are up for reelection next fall. The primaries are the only place you’ll find small donor-funded candidates.
I think what they don’t want to say: enough Republican politicians will be in the files to remove the Republicans from power.
It would in no way impede the stability of society, quite the opposite. Those are the very same people who are responsible for much of the instability. If the US were to start prioritising the public good over the profits of the oligarchy, 99.99% of society would benefit.
Conservatives about Pizzagate, a made-up fantasy conspiracy theory on a pedophile ring of powerful people: put them all in jail!
Conservatives about the Epstein files, a real-life conspiracy on a pedophile ring of powerful people: well surely we can’t put all these people in jail, think about the consequences!
The difference is now their guy is affected, while with pizzagate it was only the others.
You don’t get it! Pizzagate wasn’t about our side like the Epstein files are!! /s
They think they hold up society.
Yeah, if 2/3 of congress (and let’s be honest, most pedos are GOP) and a bunch of CEOs disappeared for awhile literally nothing would be worse.
If they can be destroyed by the truth, they absolutely must be destroyed by the truth.
From this point on, reporters should work off of the baseline assumption that everyone who voted not to release the documents are mentioned in the documents. Until proven otherwise.
Why would anything collapse? What a dumb thing to say. These people already don’t do anything but leech off the system. We’d have a more effective government and we’d kick the real welfare queens out.
By society they mean the veneer on brutal capitalism that allows them to do whatever the fuck they want while we get hosed
Atlas shat himself or something, I don’t read rich people porn
Filthy legs of clay.
This is what a by-election is for. Someone is removed/resigns from office, or dies in office, surely you just run a by-election?
At least this is what we do in Australia for our house of reps (there’s a different system for the senate since electorates are state-wide).
FUD let’s them scare people into accepting fascist policy like the secret police & concentration camps by vilifying immigrants instead of the actual source of voters’ problems, billionaires and the way their wealth hoarding destabilizes democracies.
Also The Conservative Alternative:
Ah yes, the world will collapse because of a problem that is almost exclusively in the USA.
On an unrelated note, have you ever heard of Americentrism?
I severely doubt society would collapse. I’m even willing to bet that it would begin to flourish. If people with power and control are willing to do these things to kids, imagine what they do to you even now with their executive powers.
I’m seriously wondering that if these people refuse to release the information, it’s time to vote for these representatives with lead next. This cannot be tolerated and we need to ensure people are afraid to commit such atrocious crimes on our young.
You don’t understand. When they say “society will collapse” they mean for them, not for us.
2/3rds of Congress? Is that why the vote to release the files was along party lines, with 211 Republicans voting to stop the release of the files? I think it’s more like a simple majority of congress, lol.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the people on the list on the democrat side voted in favor of releasing them knowing that the republicans would vote it down anyways.
They just wanted the good optics.
Oh, cool satyrical comment about what a Republican would say.
And then a Democrat would say “by that logic, couldn’t a mix of Republicans vote yes and Democrats vote no? Instead it’s a clear partisan split like this problem only really effects one side, and everyone voting yes who would be impacted would then risk not only their career but the rest of their lives in the off chance it did pass.”
Do you really think that none of the democrats who voted on this are on the list?
We already know bill Clinton is on the list democrats are not immune from this. Power corrupts and that applies to democrats and republicans.
The republicans never go against what trump wants no matter what so of course they would all vote against this. They have been doing this for every heinous policy that trump wants why would they stop here?
This is an issue of people using their positions of power to do evil shit and the republicans probably do have more people on the list but to pretend that democrats aren’t guilty as well is naive.
Power does not corrupt. Throughout history there have been individuals who used their power to do extraordinary good.
What power does do, specifically power that is hierarchical in structure, is attract those who are already corrupt. Those individuals crave power above all else and will do anything to secure that power for themselves whereas someone who would use that power for good would not resort to underhanded tactics in order to manipulate a win and is thus less likely to succeed in obtaining that position. This is especially true in our electoralist system where the method in which people obtain seats of power is nothing more than a popularity contest.
You can’t reasonably hold a popularity competition for representation when you live in a society where misinformation is encouraged.
Power and money corrupt most people. The government should be designed from the ground up to resist corruption. It should eliminate manipulation and ensure societies policies are sustainable and that future generations will thrive.
I mean, you can’t reasonably hold a popularity contest for representation, period. This electoralists system is intrinsically flawed in that it only will ever appeal to the lowest common denominator and, as you stated, is readily manipulated by those who benefit from the intentional spread misinformation in order to exploit that aspect of the system.
As you said, our government needs to be restructured to resist corruption. You accomplish that by doing away with hierarchy in favor of horizontal structures where the power of authority comes from the bottom up, not from the top down. This is why I am a proponent of Anarchist political theory. Everyone should read Kropotkin’s Conquest of Bread at least once.
Again, I really must emphasize this point, power does not corrupt. Corrupt people seek power. There is a difference.
Money is simply a tool that gives people power. Give a million to a good person and it would be gone within a week as they would spend it to better themselves and those around them. Give a million to a corrupt person and they will use it to acquire more, because the corrupt crave the power that money gives them.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were members of congress involved but the reason certain individuals are voting against the release is because the people paying the congressional reps are certainly on the list. Which does make them complicit and guilty but not an actual offender like trump, Clinton etc.
Like the Panama papers?
They’re by definition NOT INNOCENT. Whatever happened to “drain the swamp”?
Whatever happened to “drain the swamp”?
It has been replaced by “Swamping the drain” long ago.
Don’t shit where you eat, don’t drain the swamp where you live
