I’m talking about those youtube videos.
Feels like lowkey copaganda to me.
Copaganda is real
Those videos have actually shown me how often police investigations are an absolute clown show actually
I was overhearing a crime video my grandma was watching and holy shit the narrator could not be verbally sucking cop dick harder
There has been a fair amount of analysis of the social role of ‘true crime’ as a genre. To boil it way, way down, it’s about creating a representation of human evil to let people feel essentially righteous. It is peak centrism, uplifting the status quo by placing it as opposition to the unquestionedly heinous, and with it, current structures, like cops as law enforcement.
So do the fictional detective shows that are constantly popular for decades now. Propaganda.
But I love my British and Scandinavian detective series. They’re great!
You might like Varg Veum.
It’s Scottish, but have you watched Dept. Q? Good shit.
Me and partner watch a lot of drama series…crime/detective/cop stuff is so dominant it’s unreal.
notice how the cops aren’t even happy or good in their own propaganda 🤣
Yeah.
If they are actually doing documentary work, they have to suck up to the cops so that the cops will cooperate with them. If they’re too critical, they’ll stop getting help.
If they’re just rehashing Wikipedia or doing reaction content then they’re adding nothing anyway
JCS criminal psychology is 100% copaganda. It presents cop interrogation techniques as a kind of science, as if the Reid technique wasn’t all about deliberately misunderstanding body language and coercing innocent people to confess.
Skip Intro has a good series on Copaganda. Talks about TV shows/fiction, but a lot of the messaging is the same.
Cops exist to protect property, not you.
If you want a good non-copaganda documentary though, Errol Morris’s The Thin Blue Line is a worthwhile classic.
huh interesting, I always took the vibe of JCS to be “these are the dirty tricks they pull, shut the fuck up and get a lawyer because you won’t win in an interrogation room”
maybe that’s me projecting into it though idk
I mean these tend to focus on actual crimes and not like police coverups or misbehavior. I bet though police misbehavior documentaries would get good traffic though. I can tell you there are some good subjects of topic from chicago.
focus on actual crimes and not like police coverups or misbehavior.
I would consider the latter to be actual crimes. But I understand your meaning.
Listen to some about MMIW from Indigenous perspectives, like the Stolen podcast. It depends on who you’re listening to but cops drop the ball a lot when it comes to finding indigenous women and reporters that are worth their shit don’t tip toe around that. Many unsolved cases have less of a bias towards cops in general I think.
I also think that Casefile is actually pretty unbiased, though I haven’t listened in a while, but I remember hearing a lot about how cops fuck up on those.
This isn’t surprising at all, it seems like a type of selection bias. Most people prefer to see the conclusion of a story, so crime stories where the criminals are caught make better stories. You know what else makes for a better story? Having a cop that was involved give a firsthand account. Bad bumbling cops naturally don’t make it onto these kinds of shows.
I’ve been watching The Blacklist with my wife. I’ve remarked that it’s very honest in it’s portrayal of law enforcement, in that they are all dishonest, corrupt, and criminal.
Not really a fan of the show, but I love James Spader’s portrayal of Raymond Reddington. I lose interest when he’s not in the scene. Just wanting to watch him has gotten me through to season 9.
I’m so tired of people opposing a “pro-cop” bias. You can be against corruption in police departments without being pro-criminal. Police are the people we should be supporting, because they enact the force of law, which is what keeps society stable. That there is corruption among the police just means we need to attack that problem directly, not get rid of police. Those who want to get rid of police are anarchist fuckwits who want crime lords to rule society, and they should be dealt with the same way we deal with criminals.
why do you think not being “pro-cop” makes you pro-criminal?
If you’re simply against the establishment of having police, you’re by default “pro-criminal.”
Go back to reddit
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Go lick some fucking cop boots, pig lover.
Why?
Because without police, criminals flourish. Because with police that are established and controlled by a democratically elected government, you get police who are established and controlled by gangs and cartels.
“Without Police, Criminals Flourish”
We have police now, and criminals flourish.
Hell, half the criminals are the police.
how about you pop that thin blue cock out of your mouth and stop with the copaganda apologism.
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But I like shitting on the sidewalk. 😉
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Those who want to get rid of police are anarchist fuckwits who want crime lords to rule society, and they should be dealt with the same way we deal with criminals.
Oh yeah, that makes total sense, if someone doesn’t agree with you they’re a criminal. /s
The full expression is a few bad apples spoil the bunch. Police are thoroughly corrupt in the United States and it could be argued with plenty of corroborating evidence that it is a feature and not a bug.
Your little piggies stood by en masse in Uvalde while eight year olds were slaughtered. But you better believe they’ll be cashing their overtime checks after assisting the ICE raids to help haul off undocumented Grandmas.
That the stable society you love that they help uphold?
ACAB
Even if 100% of the police officers in the country need to be replaced, we still need police. Are you truly debating this?
Where you getting them from? The type of people that want to be police in this country are largely the fucking problem with this country.
And besides, I can’t even debate this with you, right? Because it makes me deserving of being treated like a criminal?
Is it a thought crime to think that people who literally have no mandate to protect the public, constantly murder dogs and people, suck up the majority of most city budgets, and are generally cowards might be doing more harm than good?
You referring me to be sent to El Salvador? Oh whoops, you said treated like a criminal, not treated like a person applying for asylum. I guess if we’re going to treat me like a criminal in this country, I should be elected president.
Wait. You mean to tell me there’s corruption in the corruption factory??
Sooo…Do you prefer the flavor of brown polish, or black?
What do you expect, do you want a crime documentary to sympathize with the criminals?
Yes!
Jeffrey Dahmer was just a hangry dude !
Jeeeeeeffffrrreeeeyy… That kiiiiiills people!
Occasionally they take the “investigation bungled by police” angle, but that’s the exception rather than the rule.
Bailey Sarian takes the investigation bungled by police angle most of the time, but yeah, there is a lot of copaganda around.
People want a story to have a conclusion. People who watch these shows want to know what happened.
And “got away on a technicality” stories sound like they’d be lawsuit magnets.
Nope. But I do expect them to call out incompetence, misogyny, racism…
lemmy finds out that the police do more than just appearing in green left weekly articles after beating up a minority
american cops have some of the worst crime clearance rates on earth despite having the largest budgets.
vs some civilized countries:
they put up these impressive numbers while sucking down most of the budget in every town, while abusing minorities and the homeless and anyone else they can. You ever have to deal with cops for insurance when you get robbed? They are making sure you aren’t scamming the insurance company, who they actually work for. They don’t give a fuck about helping you.
Wonder why those leftists aren’t happy with the state of things 🤔
Wonder why anyone could be pleased with it tbh.
Those are cherrypicked numbers. You are comparing COVID America to pre-covid other countries. France dropped from 80% to 50% in 2020
That’s a non-response.
These budgets are still huge, and this performance is still poor.
All I’m doing is pointing out that the above evidence is flawed. I can do that without a full-throated defense of the American police apparatus.
I wish you weren’t downvoted. It’s not one or the other. There can be terrible systemic problems with law enforcement and amazing people working in law enforcement at the same time.
Even if you take a US-centric view there is a huge variance in police work across the nation.
I always LOVED NYPD Blue growing up because the detectives actually seemed to care. They just wanted to catch the killers/rapists, could give a shit about your parking tickets. They seemed like genuine people who were only looking out for the public. They even went out of their way to keep people out of jail that weren’t involved.
They are high-key copaganda. It’s overt and blatant.
What portion of these documentaries talk about false convictions, for instance?
Bingo, the subjects of crime documentaries are sometimes very difficult to paint in even a neutral light. Most producers don’t even try, as if it were an honest effort to run their tongues over the cop’s shoes the entire time. I think that the 2011 documentary from Werner Hertzog (Into the Abyss) is the best I’ve seen in recent years, given the way he’s able to at least portray the subjects impartially.
Yeah, there’s always the underlying faith in the system in these types of stories. They assume that if someone was found guilty, they must have done it. The only ones that I see that go against that are ones where’s it’s been proven that they were falsely convicted, and even in those it’s usually framed as some freak one-in-a-million accident without anyone at fault.
The “Paradise Lost” doc about the West Memphis three was a good example of false convictions, fueled by satanic panic.
We sometimes watch stuff like this and I will point out when they are coming out with something bullshit.
Like a police officer saying how dangerous escooters are because someone was killed a few months ago by one. Cars kill multiple people a day.
That’s great, but the issue is promotion of this type of media and its bias which favors the police. Your personal experience is encouraging, but does not refute the issue as a whole
There’s nothing in this person’s comment that sounds like they’re trying to refute anything.
I think they can speak for themselves, lol…
There’s a lot more cars around than Escooters though.
Fatalities per passenger mile is also lower
For scooters or cars?
