“Modern” UI design be like: fat paddings everywhere
MOAR WHITESPACE
Don’t forget:
- Massive fucking fonts
- No visual separation between UI elements
- Hijacked scrolling
- Everything shoved into animated menus
- One (1) context action in the bottom right
Also, no right-click menus! You have to click on a three-dot icon at the side of that UI component
Never got the Mac trend of not using your full screen. I get even less why Gnome copied it.
I think I missed this trend. I’ve been full-screening almost everything on macOS for years
I’m not sure I understand… GTK can use full screens…
So can OSX for some time now it gives a full screen program it’s own workspace type screen
I actually really like how macOS handled full screen apps, with the windows 8 style side by side and a simple gesture flipping between them like pages in a book.
Gnome pretty much works the same way as well
But GNOME 3 looks subjectively bad and objectively wastes space :(
This is what I am referring to. Many macOS people work like this:
I’ve been forced onto a shit mac book with this stupid OS for the first time in my life and spend 90% of the tine interacting with it basically trying to work around how bad window management and many other things are. Hacks and custom apps and changing options to try to make sense of it. I’m in this hell hole for 2 months now. I still have no idea or feeling for how or when windows behave or if they even become maximized or not. I hate it all.
The worst offender is opening the system settings and it’s a stupid window that can’t be maximized in anyway whatsoever and just sits there looking like an horrendous thing being frustrating.
But after using it I’ve finally understood where so many bad decisions gnome for example is stealing their ideas from.
Amen. Moved countries, started a new job. They forced me into OSX and gsuite.
I’ve been stuck in that for over 6 years now.
Ok but that’s a skills issue on the part of the user, a PEBKAC. Not the fault of the environment.
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Perhaps, but it also hasn’t been like that for like a whole ass decade.
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Ok, but we’re talking about GNOME here and you’re saying that somehow GNOME copied Apple on this, but it really isn’t the case. GNOME apps pretty much all do go full screen. And the paradigm for over a decade has been this way.
Gnome largely refers to the software suite. gtk is included in the set of libraries anyone can use to make any software. So yes, anyone can use full screens when making software with gtk, but the pre-existing gnome software doesn’t.
Yeah I’m gonna disagree. I can’t think of a “standard” app that doesn’t full screen properly.
Full screen covert thing. What is the point of that, if you have a big screen? macOS started years ago to put full screen apps into their own virtual desktop. Which is often extremely annoying. The only apps I use full screen are IDEs. It does not make any sense for web browsers or office apps.
My less than 10 minutes per month of MacOS (none of which is actually doing much with it) tells me it’s because of the tiny buttons on the wrong (/s) side of the window that feel impossible to press and show an up or down button and you never know which is which.
I am sure that this is totally the perfect representation of the average macos user and not just me lol
I enjoy using Gnome and don’t really encounter any issues in my day to day use
(pls don’t kill me :))
I don’t like using GNOME desktop or apps, but that’s not because its bad or less capable for my usage. I just don’t prefer their design philosophies. I’m grateful that it exists nonetheless. Linux desktop users are spoiled by how many great choices we have.
I don’t like Gnome, but I am glad it works for you. At the end of the day Gnome is better than Windows, Mac, and CDE.
CDE? First time hearing of this. Off to google. :)
Cool Desktop Environment 😎
It was an effort by multiple Unix vendors to create a common desktop environment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment
I used to be a GNOME fanatic a couple of years ago. I switched to KDE after I got tired of the perpetually broken state of extensions.
I’m still thankful for all the effort and commitment the GNOME devs have invested over the years though! It’s an excellent desktop environment!
I went the opposite way. Wanted to like KDE, but found it too buggy and a bit inconsistent.
On Gnome I use really minimal extensions and those get updated very quickly so it is no longer an issue for me. I also do Gnome Extension reviews so take from that what you will
I think what drove me to that decision was the cpufreq extension. It kept breaking with every update. I usually shrugged it off but it really irked me every time.
My last straw was when they changed the theming system to force the use of libadwaita and broke my customised theme and dark mode. I don’t do a lot of customisation in general but I have rigid preferences when it comes to how I want my system to look and behave. They broke it and that drove me to explore other solutions.
I tested KDE Plasma for a couple days and I managed to replicate my setup in like 4 hours—most of which I spent exploring new things that would be impossible to do in GNOME without modifying its code base—and the end result was an improved setup which was less clunky since I didn’t have to use as many extensions as I did with GNOME to begin with. It was bliss for me.
I ultimately decided to move on.
True
Same for me!
Okay so I remember seeing this exact post yesterday. Not that this is stolen, like this exact post. I read some of the comments and chuckled because tiny face Charlie Kirk is funny. I saw a picture of him on a video this morning and never realized that HIS FACE IS ACTUALLY KINDA LIKE THAT WHY IS IT SO SMALL AND CENTERED.
Holy fuck, you are right. This is from his Wikipedia page:
Why is Charlie Kirk’s face so big in this?
Proper GTK4 adwaita apps don’t do that. They scale really well on mobiles to desktops.
Counterargument:
Admittedly this is a chat app, so there’s little to do. But still, it could stretch out a little bit more, maybe open the conversation info panel on the right
What is your monitor size?
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You see the app’s font size is on par with the text size of your KDE panel. If gnome increased it, it would look totally out of place.
Also centering content is a valid design choice. Many websites do that on large/wide monitors. It improves readability. An example might be the design of pi-hole’s UI.
If readability is your issue on gnome on wide screen monitors you should also have issue on reading the time and date on the KDE panel as well.
2560x1080 which is 21:9 full hd. Most programs don’t really handle 21:9 displays, but many GTK apps are particularly bad at it
Wonder why not set a maximum width and have the de respect it eg you maximize and the window grows to max height but not max width
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I have no issue with the text size, I have an issue with enormous empty space around the text. It’s fine if it’s not perfect on a 21:9 display, but this wouldn’t look good even on a 16:9 display.
I’m also fine with the text not taking up the entire width, I aggre that it’s less readable. But I think the window (not the text, the window) could utilise the width better.
I say that the messages could be a little more spread out (i.e. my massages could be a little to the right while other’s a little to the left) and just like the left sidepanel appears and disappears when the window is too thin, more sidebars could appear to the right when the window is very wide.
These are all design choices though, not technical limitations of the gdk. I’m no expert in it though. Is it possible it’s missing the tools that make building those other design features easy?
AFAIK one of these are technical limitations, it’s just design choices. But in my experience, the design choices made following the gnome design guidelines tend to make apps with tiny faces
That looks like it’s just wrapping a WebView, is it not?
It looks like the CSS is just capping the container class width at 1440px, which has nothing to do with GTK
It’s Fractal, a matrix client, not a webview: https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/fractal
Fair - point still stands though - the application only has a single breakpoint defined at 600sp from a cursory glance, the lack of an ultra-wide specific layout is just because it hasn’t been implemented rather than a shortfall of GTK (though I’m not sure you would even want to make the message view wider, as it would impair readability)
Do you want the text to span unlimited pixels?
That would be ideal, IMO.
No, I want it to utilize the space a little bit more, this wouldn’t look good even on a 16:9 display. Which is a shame because when windowed it looks really good.
Hm yeah. Most configurable GNOME application.
Sounds like a skills issue/design decision. Like the devs could do otherwise, they just didn’t. There’s nothing in GTK preventing this from working properly.
Even Gtk3 doesn’t have that issue when properly coded.
And that’s an issue. People also use non-GTK4 apps.
Friends don’t let friends use GNOME
KDE4LYFE
Gnome does have a lot of strong points, I personally use both
This is why I don’t use GNOME apps on a tiling WM. They always have an absurd amount of padding.
Gnome apps running on my PC:
I don’t use Gnome
Bottom text
Time for a scrolling window manager
https://github.com/paperwm/PaperWM
We have this
I love it
Common gnome L
don’t you just fucking love
paddings!
(apologies to everyone whose device can’t render HTML entities)
i was going to ask what it was supposed to look like, then i opened a reply text and all i see is
Unfortunately, beyond the standard Markdown elements, there is zero feature parity between various front-ends and their Markdown renderers.
thx for the screenshot. mine does appear correctly! (i’m on jerboa)
Thunder also renders this correctly!
maybe this works on more devices?
paddings!That’s not padding that’s pre!
I don’t mean to be pedantic, but why do people shit on DEs? I don’t like KDE, but I’ll never say an ill word about it. The whole point of Linux and open source in general is that we have choice. If you don’t like gnome, that’s fine, move along to your interface of choice. Come on, there are better things to argue about.
I interpret this being more about how GNOME apps function in general, also on other desktops, which is fair criticism.
That’s fine, move along. No need to crap on the hard work of the OSS people that work on anything.
I’ll have you notice that there’s also a gigachad in the meme, not just Kirk
It’s never about the DE’s themselves, it’s about the devs.
KDE’s devs are just focused on making a cool desktop environment with many features. It’s a little buggy and has some weird design decisions, but whatever, no biggie.
GNOME devs deliberately sabbotage existing linux standards in attemps to take control over desktop linux. Examples: client-side decorations, client-side shadows, systray fiasco.
This is not a question of personal preference. It’s a question of keeping desktop linux free, fair, and accessible for everyone.
You’re feeding the fire. Just use what you like and let the other DEs do their thing. You can totally exist without shitting on what other people prefer.
Did you even read my comment? This has nothing to do with personal preference. It’s a matter of defending a shared commons from a hostile force. Sure, an individual gnome user can coexist with an individual kde user, like seriously who cares its just a DE. But as a community, users of other DEs, WMs and compositors can only “coexist” with the gnome project in the same way that a population of humans can “coexist” with the COVID-19 virus
Buddy, you need to calm down.
the edits to charlie kirk’s face are so subtle these days, I can’t tell if this is the original or has been slightly modified.
It had been so long since I’d seen his real face that I didn’t know how it actually looked like anymore. I saw a clip of him a few days ago and thought ‘oh, they aren’t changing it that much’
there was this real or fake quiz online that shows Kirk’s face and you try to tell whether it’s edited. it was really funny because it was actually hard to tell.
Damn, did you enlarge Charlie’s face for the meme? 😆
