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I think what this is pointing out is that those who want to abuse will find a system that gives them systematic power to abuse. So these people will be naturally drawn to systems where they have power and a support system to protect them. So its a self selecting group who are looking to abuse are drawn to system with strong hierarchical structures.
This was a new idea to me. That patriarchy and absolute power were connected to abuse and rape. I feel like someone just turned the lights on.
Stop telling yourself it’s a few bad apples.
The whole saying is “A few bad apples spoil the bunch.” Saying that some people in a group are just a few bad apples doesn’t imply that the larger group is sound. It suggests that the entire group is spoiled.
Edit to add: For anyone who hasn’t seen it, here’s a list of 1,376 (and counting) Republican sexual predators, abusers, and enablers.
“…the barrel.” Apples don’t come in bunches, but at the time the saying was coined they were carted around like that. (Also it only took one, not a few.)
(I suppose the modern version is “one nazi spoils the bar.”)
That “it’s only a few bad apples” would be a reasonable answer if that system gets rid and punishes those bad apples.
But if the system protects and ignores those bad apples, then the whole system is rotten
It does drive me crazy how people butcher that expression.
Right up there with pulling oneself up by their bootstraps, which was coined to make fun of rich fucks thinking this was somehow possible.
Adding on “The customer is always right”.
People often forget the next few words which are “in matters of taste”.
In which case, yes, absolutely. If a paying customer wants a well done steak with ketchup, sure. Or if they want some ugly clothing. Hell yeah, as long as they’re paying.
It’s not an excuse to act like an entitled asshole.
The entire top level of the current GOP is a pedophile, christofascist cult.
Guardians Of Pedophiles
“If we don’t sin then Christ died for nothing” - Mike Johnson, probably
What if this takes down Donald and half of Washington?
honestly, I’m perfectly okay with it taking down all of washington, if it comes to that.
This is the part I love. There are MAGA folk who are like “Bill Clinton is in the files too” and I’m like “hell yeah, lock him up”. Shit, lock up every person that visited that island. Drain the swamp, as it was said. If there were democrats that went there, lock them all up. Lock up the movie stars, and whoever else. These are fucking pedophiles.
we are supposed to form a more perfect union.
maybe next time without all the greed, racism, and I think we can all agree no pedos too…
I’m sure the Canadians would be happy to help again.
Win-win.
Lose at BINGO because I do not have “Pizzagate conspiracies coming back to bite republicunts in the ass and take em down in the process” on my bingo card
I have “Previous propaganda subjects backfire” on mine am I still in?
We’re not that lucky.
I call that a good start!
Drain the swamp!
This list is suggestive. Stop telling yourself it’s a few bad apples. Stop telling yourself “there are pedophiles in every large enough organization.” There are not this many pedophiles in every political party. Both sides are not the same. When Slate went looking for an equivalent list of Democratic pedophiles, they were able to come up with: a random donor, the head of a local Young Democrats, and Anthony Weiner’s sexts. Not a speaker of the House, a Chief Justice, and a President.
The article suggests pedos are natural-born conservatives - or vice-versa. My theory is that there are probably as many pedos in the Democratic party, but they’re smart enough not to get caught.
Nooooooo how dare you not hate only The Enemy and suggest something is wrong with Our Team?
It’s wild that, despite not having any evidence to supprt your theory, you’re still trying to “both sides” this one.
You need to deal with the fact that conservatism attracts terrible people. Maybe a couple stupid people get fooled by some obvious propaganda but the overwhelming majority are simply excited by the cruelty the ideology offers. It’s entire core value is in assigning different values to people and the range is so large that it’s happy to be as close to slaves and kings as society will allow.
Absolutely I’ll bet there are some shady center-right Democrats that the US believes are leftists. Fact is that most of them are just greedy which is what keeps them as centrists instead of going full fascist. You have to look at the information staring you in the face and accept that the further right one goes the worse company there is to be kept.
It’s wild that, despite not having any evidence to supprt your theory, you’re still trying to “both sides” this one.
It’s wild that people think that writing a lewd note to a paedophile makes you a paedophile. This is not a discussion where people are going off evidence.
It’s wild that people think that writing a lewd note to a paedophile makes you a paedophile.
Were you a child in 2016? Not only is most of the shit “coming out” nearly decade-old news, but the amount of evidence of both: Trump’s proclivities regarding young girls, AND his very close relationship with Epstein, is staggering.
If you think this is the only thing linking them, you really need to become better informed.
I actually have zero need to be informed about the bad behaviour of a foreign head of state, but I think what you’re reading as “poorly informed” is rather “sticking to facts” rather than believing any old shite because it suits my opinions.
So you’re proudly uninformed because you don’t need to be… but are also informed enough to state that this whole thing is overblown… based on having learned one fact about the matter…? Pick a lane!
I’m pretty confident that if there were actual evidence kicking around, either the article or someone in this thread would actually have brought it up.
It’s not “old shite,” it’s literally what we’re talking about right now. The only new shit that has come out has been the stupid fucking letter. Everything else was reported on before he was elected the first time and nobody. Gave. A. Shit.
Loads of people gave a shit.
Doesn’t mean loads of people bought into him being a paedo.
It’s like the pee tape. There’s not actual evidence for it, but people will buy into something like that regardless. Some tongue-in-cheek (because unlike CSA, it’s funny) but some seriously, and the tongue-in-cheek repetition of it also keeps it in people’s minds until some of them forget that there was never anything substantive.
There’s never anything wrong with repeating the scummy things Trump has said, but condensing it into “Trump is a paedo” is drivel.
There’s not actual evidence for it
Except there is tons of evidence of it. From the man himself (about his underage daughter, and about barging into teen dressing rooms), to him literally being sued for raping a 14 year old girl (who dropped the charges after his base ruined her life).
You are actively downplaying the facts
Is that the only clue you think people have? Wow. Way to bury your head in the sand
It’s like how people say “Musk giving a Nazi salute doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a Nazi” when he also actively praises and agrees with Nazis.
I don’t think it “attracts” bad people. I think they actively seek out pedophiles so that they have blackmail material. Then they put them in power to control them.
The whole conservative ideology harkens back to a time when women and children were viewed akin to property. That’s a very appealing setup to people who want free reign to abuse those children.
That does not jive well when your worldview includes everyone bring treated as a person. With rights. Including children.
Or the right wing has a much higher concentration of people devoid of empathy, a necessary trait to assault a child.
Lack of empathy is the core root cause of SO MANY right wing causes. It kills me because empathy itself is the core teaching of Christianity. If they were actually good Christians, they would live their lives undo the credo “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Anyway, I find Satanists (TST, specifically) and Leftists far more empathetic.
Based on what?
Probably his own predilections
Based on his developmental deficiencies most likely
His user name is highly appropriate
It’s not so much that pedos are natural born conservatives as it is that MAGA style conservatism is the political expression of pedophilia. It’s sort of like how conservatism is the political expression of billionaire oligarch interests - there are some liberal billionaires but not as many because the conservative side is the one structured around pursuing the class interests of billionaires.
Pedocon theory is a theory in the same way as the theory as gravity, or term theory.
You misspelled pedocon “fact”
‘theory’ in the scientific sense
Right. A theory correctly predicts behavior, until proven otherwise
And scientists welcome finding evidence to disprove aspects or even the whole cloth of their theories. If the Donvict wants this theory to go away, then show the evidence that disproves it. Because all we’re finding at this point is evidence that strengthens the theory and increases the call for more exposure and further investigation and scrutiny.
If this theory were true than Biden would have released the Epstein files. Both parties are complicit.
I’m not sure about that. If Biden had released them, they would have been able to spin it as them being ‘doctored’ or other bullshit. Honestly, there were ways to release them, at least partially, in a way that both appeased his base and covered his ass. Instead, they decided to make themselves look guilty AF with the “take the claw in the face, roll around on the ground, and die” strategy.
So fucking what? When you know trump is going to release it edited, as it seems like he’s already in the process of doing, which was obvious to anybody with a brain during the election, why the fuck wouldn’t you preemptively release them? I mean besides the obvious reason, what could possibly be the logic here? Unless the argument is that it’s pure stupidity, which comes with its own issues therein of itself.
The list undoubtedly contains major political donors along with politicians on both sides. The donors part is probably the key you’re looking for
Biden respected the law, though. The files were sealed by a judge until after Ghoulaine Maxwell’s trial. They weren’t unsealed until after Jan 2024. Biden couldn’t, by law, release them.
Biden didn’t run a cult. He allowed the DOJ to operate independently of the executive, unlike Trump who demands loyalty oaths and treats every agency like his personal operatives.
Dept of Justice declassified them on Jan 9th this year. He was a little busy that week doing a massive pile of other things, besides Trump had promised to release them, why would he prioritise something no one was asking for ahead of things like student debt relief and pardons for non violent drug offenders ?
https://old.reddit.com/r/50501Movement/comments/1m6l94x/why_didnt_biden_release_the_epstein_files_a/
So the files were unsealed for a year during Bidens administration and they still weren’t released?
There’s a clash between the tweet saying jan 2024, and the reddit post saying jan 9th 2025.
Will have to confirm
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Ok, so he had a week. Call me crazy, but the pedophile ring that supposedly implicates our entire ruling class in child molestation is kind of important, and the people should know about it.
Biden had a week. Trump has had 6 months. Trump campaigned on releasing it, Biden was hurriedly trying to get too much done in too little time.
If there’s Democrats on the list they should rot in hell with Trump and Epstein.
But pointing the finger at Biden is straight up deflection to protect Trump. There is no other way to view it.
Trump & Bondi have the primary culpability here. Whataboutism really only protects the Fanta Felon
Ok, but right now way more Republicans are for sure on that list(they just can’t seem to leave kids alone) and Biden isn’t in power to release the thing. Also leftists don’t particularly like Biden all that much, and it’s funny when the right thinks they’ve figured out a gotcha because it’s just a projection of how much they’ll let their own guy off the hook for stuff they know is awful.
If most of the Democrats go down then most of their voters would be largely ok with that. And at least the Democrats have made some moves to push this issue forward in the last couple weeks, which for them is refreshing given how little energy they often put into anything at all.
That’s the current Fox News whataboutist talking point. Did you even read the article?
Yeah, I did, or else I wouldn’t have even known what pedocon meant. We already know there’s going to be some democrats on the list, or at the very least their donors. I don’t understand why this one isn’t a valid point.
It’s weird this conversation sticks to democrats and Republicans. How many leaders from other countries would be implicated in this list? Either way Biden is a bitch for not releasing it, but I’d believe an excuse that he didn’t want to potentially fuck up 10 alliances with other countries before I believe he was protecting some pedo dems. I wouldn’t accept the excuse, but I’d believe it.
Names should be released regardless of party or country. Let the chips fall
Yep totally agree with everything you said.
Someone should cover Tim Minchin’s ‘The Pope Song’, but targeting Trump/GOP.
They should have let him empty his shitbag he looks backed up.
