The governor wrote in his veto statement that drafting errors in the bill made it “unimplementable” and estimated that it would make insurance premiums go up by as much as $0.73 to $2.15 per person.
The sticking point: two dollars.
Two.
Dollars.
I wonder how many multiples of that the ambulance companies lobbied his campaign with
I have been provided with estimates on premium impact that range from $0.73 to $2.15 per member per
month, which means a family of four would likely pay as much as one hundred dollars more per year in
insurance premiums if I were to sign this bill
Yeah, but that’s not what I’m saying. On average, does an out-of-network ambulance ride happen to a family of four more than once every 30 years? If it does, $100 per year to avoid that is a good deal; otherwise it’s not.
But that’s not the point of insurance, which is a cost-sharing practice (presumably, ideally) designed so that the person who DOES get the ambulance ride doesn’t have to pay for the whole thing themselves and go into financial ruin because of it.
Your argument is profoundly selfish and it’s logical conclusion is the abolishment of insurance altogether.
Yep, and the ambulance companies often don’t join many networks, because they can go after the full amount from out of network patients rather than a network discount that plan members would get.
Golly, it’s almost like private, for profit insurance and for-profit ambulance companies really aren’t the most efficient way to run a healthcare system. =\
At least one in particular. AMR (American Medical Response) and its holding company GMR (Global Medical Response) are about as evil as it gets in the ambulance industry, and they’re also HUGE businesses, not to mention that they also run something like 1/3-1/4 of all US private EMS operations. Oh, did I mention that they’re based out of Greenwood, CO?
I’d bet a pretty healthy sum that those vampiric fucks are behind it.
Yes. I listed them in descending order, and while I realize that that defies convention, I don’t think that should suggest I don’t understand fractions.
Oh no’s, $2 extra/month, but you might get surprise billed bullshit prices, but that’s cool.
Despite federal and state laws addressing surprise out-of-network medical billing, public ground ambulances, interfacility transfers, and non-emergency ambulance rides were left out of those laws. This legislation closes that loophole that left patients vulnerable to outrageous and unexpected charges for out-of-network ambulance services.
A recent study found that more than half of ground ambulance rides result in surprise bills, with patients paying an average of $435 out-of-pocket, more than three times the cost of in-network rides. Patients are often left with surprise out-of-pocket bills that are much higher: a Denver resident was saddled with a $1,500 bill after a health emergency in 2023. In Colorado, out-of-network ambulance charges forced consumers to shoulder nearly $16 million in costs in 2022.
Polis also recently vetoed a labor rights bill, a ride share safety bill, and a ban on using algorithmic websites like real page to set rents. Dude is pro business 100% if the time, and cosplays a cool hip progressive guy.
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The sticking point: two dollars.
Two.
Dollars.
I wonder how many multiples of that the ambulance companies lobbied his campaign with
Two dollars adds up.
And three grand for an ambulance rides doesn’t add up!?
How often do out-of-network ambulance rides happen to a family of four?
You have zero control over if the ambulance is in or out of network. Hence it being a surprise cost.
Yeah, but that’s not what I’m saying. On average, does an out-of-network ambulance ride happen to a family of four more than once every 30 years? If it does, $100 per year to avoid that is a good deal; otherwise it’s not.
But that’s not the point of insurance, which is a cost-sharing practice (presumably, ideally) designed so that the person who DOES get the ambulance ride doesn’t have to pay for the whole thing themselves and go into financial ruin because of it.
Your argument is profoundly selfish and it’s logical conclusion is the abolishment of insurance altogether.
I have a feeling you’ve never been in a major health situation.
Yep, and the ambulance companies often don’t join many networks, because they can go after the full amount from out of network patients rather than a network discount that plan members would get.
How often do ambulance rides happen to a family of four?
In fact, why even spend all that money on health insurance? How often do you get sick anyway?
Golly, it’s almost like private, for profit insurance and for-profit ambulance companies really aren’t the most efficient way to run a healthcare system. =\
I can answer that:
At least one in particular. AMR (American Medical Response) and its holding company GMR (Global Medical Response) are about as evil as it gets in the ambulance industry, and they’re also HUGE businesses, not to mention that they also run something like 1/3-1/4 of all US private EMS operations. Oh, did I mention that they’re based out of Greenwood, CO?
I’d bet a pretty healthy sum that those vampiric fucks are behind it.
1/3rd is bigger than 1/4th
Yes. I listed them in descending order, and while I realize that that defies convention, I don’t think that should suggest I don’t understand fractions.
Oh no’s, $2 extra/month, but you might get surprise billed bullshit prices, but that’s cool.
https://cohealthinitiative.org/media-releases/consumer-advocates-praise-senate-approval-of-bill-to-close-surprise-billing-loophole-for-ambulances/
Polis also recently vetoed a labor rights bill, a ride share safety bill, and a ban on using algorithmic websites like real page to set rents. Dude is pro business 100% if the time, and cosplays a cool hip progressive guy.