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What kind of Russian propaganda is this? None of the allies could win alone
Sees poster is from lemmy.ml
Well, that explains it
Russian propaganda?
The chest-beating confidence of people chiming in on Internet is appalling to me. Stop presuming you know more than other people and READ MORE BOOKS.
The strain of American Exceptionalism in the typical American historical outlook is depressing to me.
There were single battles on the Eastern Front which resulted in more casualties than the United States suffered throughout the entire war across all fronts. Look it up: Leningrad, Stalingrad, Kharkov…
The United States first seriously engaged with German forces in Tunisia in 1943. By that point, the USSR had been fighting with Germany on a massive scale for a year and a half. That was after the Battle of Stalingrad, arguably the most significant turning point in the entire war.
The Germans deployed roughly 50 divisions on the Western Front. Roughly 150 divisions were on the Eastern Front.
The United States contributed materiel and strategic bombing, but did not do the lion’s share of the fighting, killing, or dying.
All this statistics on manpower yet you’re completely ignoring all of the shipments of food and materials the US sent to the USSR under lend-lease. The USSR would have starved and run even more extreme shortages on tanks and aircraft without US contributions.
I have read books om the Eastern front, from the Russian perspective. They tend to dismiss anything not Russian as a contribution to the war. That goes anywhere from claiming US materials did little tp saying that Ukrainians and Belarusians were incompetent, even though their soldiers, territory, qnd civilians bore the brunt of the fighting.
Let’s also not forget that the reason the USSR was able to move their Siberian divisions to defend Moscow from Germany is because they found out that Japan wasn’t planning on attacking the USSR - they were planning to attack Pearl Harbor instead. If Japan had decided to attack the USSR instead, they wouldn’t have fresh winter-hardened troops to break the seige of Moscow, and would likely have to reroute divisions to reinforce a front line against the Japanese. And let’s not forget that the US was the backbone (though not the only member of the allies) in the fight against the Japanese Navy.
Let’s also not forget that a significant factor in the Germans advancing so quickly in Operation Barbarossa is because a lot of people in Ukraine hated the Russians because of the Holodomor. And the USSR didn’t win any favors with Poles when they stabbed Poland in the back by partitioning it with Germany.
Reread my earlier comment. I never said the US won the war on it’s own. I said the Allies won together, and that none of the members of the alliance could have won without the others.
But maybe that doesn’t convince you. If not, I don’t care.
I recommend you take your own advice. Pick up a book other than “Russia at War 1941-1945”. Preferrably something that isn’t full of anti-Ukrainian and anti-Belarusian propaganda.
This is 100% correct. Also, anybody who actually knows the history in detail knows that America concentrated most of their fighting forces in the Pacific theatre and served more as support in the European theatre.
There’s a ton of Russian propaganda on Lemmy today.
This post is a basic history lesson, but if you want, we can get into the history of US support for fascism in Ukraine and how that connects with its role in WWII 😊
Listen, I wouldnt jerk myself to ANY authoritarian government pieces of shit like you’re doing here, which has yes included Russia and their oligarchs. I read Navalny’s last book, did you?* How about that for a fucking history lesson. Do you know what the Holodomor was? Do you know why we have so much Russia diaspora? Do you know what Russian women say about wars in Russia? The wealthy of Russia have done FUCK ALL to protect anyone, LEAST OF ALL THEIR AVERAGE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DEFENDED US IN WW2, except put their citizens into a fucking meat grinder in wars, put them into prisons to torture and rape them and kill them to sell as videos online so they can blackmail the people who buy them, and literally stolen their money.
The Russian people are not their government. The Israeli peolle are not their government. The Chinese people are not their government. You misattribute to authoritarians characteristics of the average citizen - you’re stealing their accomplishments for the wealthy. Stick your history lesson up your ass
-*Note how I never said Navalny was a good person in every position - but he is a great example of Russia’s authoritarian government seizing Putin’s political rival and torturing him for over a year. His last book is wild to read because it is from his PoV while he is in prison being tortured. I respect his capacity to spite fascist governments in control of his country (it’s notable that he wasn’t in control).
Meanwhile, Putin has directly funded Nazis and Nazi propaganda worldwide so he can start wars in those countries to “stop the Nazis” to put his men in another meat grinder
Hahahahahaha Navalny’s book you love Hitlerslop https://archive.org/details/VideoAlexeiNavalnyComparesMuslimsToCockroaches
Google holodomor huh? Lmao. Homework for you. https://annas-archive.se/md5/9f9f3ebb076a7ed2d91f51d0e5440f20 https://annas-archive.se/md5/dbf40cb981d075d2ecfd00af5dad05d4 If you flat out refuse to engage criticisms of the historical works you were presented with then don’t pretend to understand the subject enough to be analytical.
You have to engage with my actual points first, so far you haven’t done so. Providing material isn’t an argument or refutation.
Oh you’re playing interrogator are you? Did you even bother to click on the video of Navalny talking about massacring immigrants?
Sorry, it’s still your turn to fully address my points. I’ll respond when you give me a good faith argument that addresses my points, as I did for you.
You’ve appointed yourself the Wikipedia interrogator of the network have you? It’s identical to interacting with a Zionist. There are no “turns” here, you aren’t playing a game, you’re clinging to lies and plugging your ears because you’re a fool.
Thank you for doubling down on ignoring Navalny’s fascism. Makes the message perfectly clear
Spoken like a true pedophile.
https://archive.org/details/VideoAlexeiNavalnyComparesMuslimsToCockroaches
https://archive.org/details/VideoAlexeiNavalnyComparesMuslimsToCockroaches
And? Everyone in russian politics is an evil piece of shit and has been for a century now.
How does that play into russia being neo nazi conservatory and where neo nazis are state sponsored and protected?
How does that play into what your mother and I did last night for only $20?
Okay youre just yet another holocaust denier nazi.
Which country lost the most citizens to the Holocaust?
Mostly from tankies on .ml (used to be hexbear too until they were defederated). Any self-respecting instance needs to defederate from this trash uninformed low effort propaganda.
Imagine being so bad at arguing with people that you start commenting 500 times a month complaining about a website instead of backing up your own claims. 😁
Well, NPR’s Planet Money did an episode on this, the link: https://www.npr.org/2025/05/23/1253043749/pig-butchering-scam-crypto-tether
But basically, they are likely slaves and not even spies (spies are too expensive for this grunt work). There are huge slave networks, especially in BRICS countries including Russia, where they just run political scams, crypto scams, whatever. The NPR story focused on a romance crypto scam and he said he went through several people pretending to be the same woman, and some would admit to being slaves. In my experience talking with obvious bots is that if you ask them:
“Are you a slave? NPR says bots like you are slaves. Are you a slave? Do you need help?” I will get no response, or blocked and THEIR comments deleted so no one can see what I wrote. Normally if you ask them if they are a bot, not a slave, they will keep engaging for the content etc. It’s genuinely shocking how many u-turn and disengage when you ask them that. Ofc I always ask publicly to let others know, so they are not able to confess safely if they are a slave (they can DM ofc).
Notably, Elon himself funded a scam pretending to be Democrats to funnel people to a MAGA website
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2024/10/pro-trump-dark-money-network-tied-to-elon-musk-behind-fake-pro-harris-campaign-scheme/
Poor little Yankee scared of a Vox article
Yesterday what Zelensky said was Russian propaganda too
Must be tough
The USSR definitely put in huge work, but at the end of the day, “Stalingrad” was besieged and close to being finished off, German forces were right outside Moscow, and all of Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltics were occupied (aka the most heavily industrialised areas)
The reality is that without the USA committing significant industrial resources to its allies (particularly the lend lease) and keeping the Western front open, the USSR was a matter of months away from being finished off.
The war was not won by only the efforts of the USA or the USSR.
The allies were the ones who left the USSR alone against the fascists in the first place lmao, look at anything Churchill and Chamberlain wrote about the USSR and stop confabulating about how Yankoids saved Private Ryan
The innocent USSR, who had no choice but to partition Poland with Nazi Germany
The USSR never colonized anyone. Further, it supported movements in Cuba, Angola, Algeria, China, Vietnam, Korea, Palestine, and more.
As for Poland, rather than let the genocidal Nazis take all of Poland, the Soviets stopped them from taking all of it. We see the difference in treatment when the Nazis exterminated Polish people and the Soviets did not.
The USSR never sided with the Nazis. They hated each other. The liberal democracies of Europe made similar agreements with Hitler before the USSR, and shot down Stalin’s suggestions of an anti-fascist alliance. Furthermore, US industrialists were directly inspired by Fascist Germany and Italy to carry out the failed Business Plot against FDR. The USA also paid reparations to German industrialists for their destroyed property after the war was over (Yes, even German industrialists who used Holocaust slave labor, like Krupp).
1933 - UK, France, Italy - The four powers pact
1934 - Poland - Hitler-Pilsudski Pact
1935 - UK - Anglo-German Naval agreement
1936 - Japan - Anti-Comintern pact
1938 - September - UK - German-British Non Aggression Pact (Munich Agreement )
1938 - December - France - German-French Non Aggression Pact
1939 - March - Romania - German Romanian Economical Treaty
1939 - March - Lithuania - Non aggression ultimatum
1939 - May - Italy - Pact of Steel (Friendship and Alliance)
1939 - May - Denmark - Non aggression pact
1939 - June - Estonia - non aggression pact
1939 - July - Latvia - non aggression pact
1939 - August - USSR - Molotov-Ribbentrop Non Aggression pact - the only ones libs care about
Stalin with regards to this said:
“Indeed, it would be ridiculous and stupid to close our eyes to the capitalist encirclement and think that our external enemies, the fascists, for example, will not, if the opportunity arises, make an attempt at an attack upon the USSR. Only blind braggarts or masked enemies who desire to lull the vigilance of our people can think like that.”
Even the US state department confirmed Stalin’s rationale for a pact with Hitler
“The Soviets signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with Nazi Germany after the British and French rejected Soviet offers to establish a military alliance against Germany”
CIA declassifies its dealings with ex nazis
Stalin ‘planned to send a million troops to stop Hitler if Britain and France agreed pact’
How the Allied multinationals supplied Nazi Germany throughout World War II
https://lemmy.ml/post/28786830/18074249 @[email protected] Bro I am starting to think these guys have not familiarized themselves with the literature
Your combative stance highlights that you are unable to stray from your ideological perspective to admit any fault on the part of the USSR.
The reason that people “only care” about the Molotov Ribbentrop pact is because the USSR colluded with Germany to partition Poland. It was not just a defensive pact.
You have made (or perhaps, copy pasted) a selective list showing Western collusion/cooperation with Nazi Germany while minimizing USSR collusion with the same. This is whataboutism.
I am a much better critic of the USSR than you, because I don’t slavishly adhere to the narrative of the US. You’re dealing entirely in ideology and I’m actually engaging with the premises of the historical narrative, something you’re unable to do. You are listing off random USSR Bad factoids instead of acknowledging there are criticisms of them. You simply decided not to look at them because it’s too hard for you. It’s just your aim to control the conversation and downplay or ignore the information you’re presented with.
The Katyn Massacre begs to differ with your overall thesis on Poland. Had protecting the Polish really been the desired outcome, they could have been granted autonomy of their own domestic affairs rather than annexation into the Soviet Union, in what was clearly an imperialist landgrab.
“The katyn massacre begs to differ with your overall thesis” is such tortured awful writing that I hesitate to keep responding in order to walk you through every Timothy Snyder-tier pop history factoid lodged in your brain. It’s like talking to myself when I was 14 reading Robert Evans articles on Cracked. Let me know when you get through these, you’re welcome~ https://annas-archive.se/md5/9f9f3ebb076a7ed2d91f51d0e5440f20
https://annas-archive.se/md5/dbf40cb981d075d2ecfd00af5dad05d4
Sorry for disturbing you, you must be quite sensitive. I’m sure I’ll get around to those.
You are a complete piece of shit. You mist have terabites of child porn and snuff that FSB found out about or you are a bot.
Yep, history from a liberal perspective only makes sense if you selectively cut out and any all context and erase common sense.
Countries don’t fight wars, people do. It was won by the brave young men and women who died fighting it and funding it, your average citizen. It was won by the people’s efforts then at that time. Respect the dead, respect ghosts, or your ancestors may force you to become one. Stop spreading nationalistic bullshit.
So, which nation had the most soldiers give their lives to put Hitler in the ground? Which nation had the most civilians murdered and expelled? Can you remember?
Why are you ignoring Russia’s active efforts at the time to genocide their own people? They used this war as an opportunity to lower the population, something they do a lot in Russia tbh. “I would never have a son in Russia,” an older Russian woman told me once. Look up the Holodomor.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
They were genociding the fuck out of people too
You have to build your philosophy off more than just wanting a fake ideal of a country to worship, that doesnt exist because every country has had shit. You want to cultify the left, but cults require narcissism and narcissism requires delusion and thus the left will never be a cult. Cults are inherently right wing. Narcissism is right wing. Controlling people is right wing. Eugenics and wars are right wing.
Since WW2, how many Russian men have died because they were taught to glorify all the deaths in WW2, when it was really the elites killing them on purpose in the first place? Don’t you see the brain washing???
Don’t you think it’s a little bit embarrassing to make up my beliefs to me lol? To present them with some cheap CSI style psychobabble? You have a historical vendetta against Russians as an ethnic group that transcends time period and statehood. I am well-familiarized with standard Wikipedia and Reddit sources that inform your outlines of dad history. Are you completely unable to engage with critics of your sources? Just admit it, this isn’t a serious subject for you and your emotional commitment to a narrative is all that’s important
I love the Russian people, read what I said again.
I am not a fucking idiot so it’s the oligarchs and wealthy in power that I hate, worldwide. I clearly stated that.
That’s not what psychobabble is lol
I can see you’re unable to make any good faith counterargument to what I said, because you are unable to directly address my original points. I accept your loss.
You accept your historical illiteracy and pat yourself on the back, because you aren’t being given a tongue bath. Dress it up however you like, but we both know you’re out of your depth. Treating reading a book like an insurmountable task when you’ll happily read propaganda by an open fascist doesn’t conceal your motives very well. Neither does declaring that your line of inquiry was a game, with a time limit, where you make the rules.
Lots of projection and bad faith arguments there from someone who can’t form a valid rebuttal lol. What a tantrum. Good faith arguments, fallacies, and logic are what we build legal systems and reasoning on, because it is what is sensical and provable and arguable. I can’t argue something nonsensical and nonarguable by definition (which is why people arguing in bad faith use them - to be manipulative). Thus, you lose because you aren’t arguing, you’re just spewing ego everywhere.
Must be tougher for you to deal with reality. Genuinely pathetic show of thought, but I wasn’t expecting magic from a .ml goon.
You didn’t even read the article, you’re not even capable of trying to refute something in it. What drives you to such transparent posturing?
https://lemmy.ml/comment/19690366
Anyone who gets their info out of history books rather than russian propaganda knows it was a massive joint effort. Russia was barely afloat thanks to lend lease and us designed factories, britain was a few ships away from collapse and US sat in complete safety and could just ramp up production without any issues. Ww2 was a war of production and combined allied just made mostly non stupid descisions.