Yes the flawed voting system is a major problem which is why we should put no effort into maintaining it and should put all of our effort into maintaining local organizations to make up for the fact that our government wants to cut all social spending.
The fascists are here. They aren’t knocking down the door. They’re in the White House. And the strategy of voting the Democrats to prevent the fascist from Gaining power has failed.
The Democrats have learned no lessons and it’s now up to the people to create a whole new system of power but if people are looking for something to do in the moment one should be focused on their local organizations that actually do something for their community instead of the DNC and other electoral political organizations that do nothing but waste people time on trying to stall the death of a Dying System that is already delivered us into the hands of fascists.
Oh and if you’re voting for the Democrats because they’re supposed to save the minorities that’s on the chopping block too. They’re ready to sacrifice everybody for power.
I just want to point out the sometimes-overlooked fact that we are also here (delivered to hands of fascists) because so god damn many Americans wanted it. Arguably the voting system worked great because most of the voters wanted the guy who promised a racist dictatorship.
That doesn’t necessarily change how we respond to the situation now (I am local focused for sure), and yeah maybe there was election rigging and cheating so it shouldn’t have gone this way… but damn do we have a culture problem moreso than a political system problem.
Granted a lot of the culture problem is the direct result of politics, and all the propaganda and media influence that people don’t even realize is attracting their political beliefs. Stuff us complicated for sure.
The dems as a whole wouldn’t be moving back as quickly. If your in one of the groups you’d be better off being in a delicate but protected class rather than persecuted. Having obstruction to arms shipments would help Palestinians.
The fascists are here. They aren’t knocking down the door. They’re in the White House. And the strategy of voting the Democrats to prevent the fascist from Gaining power has failed.
So back to you, how’s not voting achieving anything? Its proven to be a strategic blunder. Tamkies that say otherwise aren’t serious people.
Non voting has been the biggest block for several election cycles now.
Its not blue no matter who. Its blue when harm reduction is one of the limited choices and working to expand the progressive wing where possible.
People aren’t voting because they’re Marxist and they’re taking a principal position against electoralism. People aren’t voting because they know their vote doesn’t count.
People like me aren’t the problem. My goal is to get people energized and involved in local politics which is vastly more important than the stupid electoral politics that this community keeps pushing. The Democrats lead us here and allowed this to happen. But yeah let’s just keep giving them the keys to the kingdom because the other guys are worse
What’s the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?
harm reduction doesn’t work if it did Trump wouldn’t be in office.
harm reduction isn’t going to get people to vote people couldn’t be arsed to vote in 2020/2024. You think shouting about harm reduction is going to get those people back in the voting booth?
The DNC have systematically shut down the progressive wing and we have less progressives in office now than we did in 2016.
Our institutions have abandoned us to the wolves and we need to build new ones. The faster y’all recognize that the faster that work can finish
The Democrats lead us here and allowed this to happen. But yeah let’s just keep giving them the keys to the kingdom because the other guys are worse
Its not blue no matter who. Its blue when harm reduction is one of the limited choices and working to expand the progressive wing where possible.
People aren’t voting because they know their vote doesn’t count.
No show has been the biggest block of voters pretty much every election for decades now. Their votes don’t count because they are not voting for them to be counted.
harm reduction doesn’t work if it did Trump wouldn’t be in office.
harm reduction isn’t going to get people to vote people couldn’t be arsed to vote in 2020/2024. You think shouting about harm reduction is going to get those people back in the voting booth?
Marginalized communities were 100% under dem control. Not in ideal conditions, but not being hunted.
In none of my comments I have said that voting is the only front. I am saying it is one of many and a very important one. Tankies like yourself are discouraging people from showing up and giving even more control to the far right. It makes you some very bad allies. Hispanics would not be hunted for sport. Abortion rights not rolled back as quickly. Palestine might have a better chance if we could block arms shipments fueling their destruction.
It’s always about harm reduction. Was about harm reduction in 2016, it was about harm reduction in 2020, it was about harm reduction in 2024.
No one cares. Liberal activists have been banging the drum about harm reduction for the better part of 20 years.
You think continuing to go on about harm reduction is going to get the apathetic electorate to vote?
Yeah you’re damn right there are people out here encouraging people to not waste their time with electoralism. There are much better places we should be spending our energy where it actually matters.
As far as the safety of minority groups under Democrat leadership I’d say it’s a wash given that state leadership is far far more important than Federal leadership.
The Democrats will not save us nor will they deliver us from fascism
It’s always about harm reduction. Was about harm reduction in 2016, it was about harm reduction in 2020, it was about harm reduction in 2024.
Did you read where I wrote this:
Its not blue no matter who. Its blue when harm reduction is one of the limited choices and working to expand the progressive wing where possible.
Can’t move past harm reduction if you are not growing the progressive wing where possible. Either in the dem party or spinning of a serious 3rd party. Libertarian, as gross as they are, have made their ideas main stream in the Rs. Again tankies discouraging voting is abandoning a key front in the [class] war and rolling over for fascists.
Tankies just aren’t serious people. Ive never had a tankie like yourself propose and different actionable plan. If they were serious they would have one to talk about rather than just shitting on what we do have.
You think continuing to go on about harm reduction is going to get the apathetic electorate to vote?
Not voting has cost us LGBT, womens, and other rights. So… yeah they have a lot at stake. This is a [class] war and in all war you don’t have a say about when it stops.
Have you not watched that Democratic party sacrifice the progressives on the altar of so-called progress?
Can’t grow a progressive Wing if it’s constantly stopped out by the DNC. 🙄
It’s wonderful you understand we’re in a class war. It’s idiotic how you think electoralism is a major front in the class war. You know how I know this? Because groups have already tried the strategy you’re talking about in history and specifically failed to save themselves from fascism. See Germany in the 1900s.
You say “not voting” has cost us the rights of women lgbtq minorities and other people, I say pushing a strategy of harm reduction for the Electoral it for the past 20 years is the reason that those rights were lost.
I keep scrolling waiting for you to do something other than complain. I’m waiting for you to present some kind of path forward.
The closest you’ve gotten so far is implying that we need new political parties, while apparently being completely unaware that we are NOWHERE NEAR a viable 3rd party in this country. That would take YEARS of one putting in the hard work and winning local/state elections and getting MORE THAN ZERO members in the House and Senate.
You’re over here whining about the Democrat party, trying to get people to not vote for them, when there is no viable alternative and absolutely, positively, 100% will not be one by the next election.
You want to wipe the board clean instead of reforming an already super established party. That’s childish and won’t work.
I don’t think I can be much clear about the solution. Do you think voting in 2026/2028 is going to save us? Thats funny. How about we focus on making it to 2028.
I don’t want people to waste their time volunteering with the Democrats when they could be working with one of the other hundreds of local organizations that actually uplift there community instead of just burn the averages voters goodwill
You say “not voting” has cost us the rights of women lgbtq minorities and other people, I say pushing a strategy of harm reduction for the Electoral it for the past 20 years is the reason that those rights were lost.
I addressed this:
Did you read where I wrote this:
Its not blue no matter who. Its blue when harm reduction is one of the limited choices and working to expand the progressive wing where possible.
Can’t move past harm reduction if you are not growing the progressive wing where possible. Either in the dem party or spinning of a serious 3rd party. Libertarian, as gross as they are, have made their ideas main stream in the Rs. Again tankies discouraging voting is abandoning a key front in the [class] war and rolling over for fascists.
Can’t grow a progressive Wing if it’s constantly stopped out by the DNC. 🙄
And you never will grow it because you don’t show up to grow it.
It’s idiotic how you think electoralism is a major front in the class war.
And i think its idiotic you are abandoning people you could be helping.
Yeah you didn’t actually address my point that the DNC squashes Progressive politics so that there isn’t a progressive wing and there will not be one in the DNC. It’s fun to pretend though but you did actually address this concern though.
It’s not my fault that you lack creativity and are unable to imagine a way of helping people that doesn’t involve electoralism and think that’s abandoning people 🙄
So you’re too unintelligent to answer a simple question about your own beliefs?
Color me unsurprised based on ALL your other comments.
You’re just some loser trying to diminish the best chances we have at stopping this madness in 2026 and 2028. You cry about trans rights but actively work against the best VIABLE path forward for them in the foreseeable future.
You are part of the problem and not worth anyone’s time or effort. You’re trash.
Watching a bunch of liberals cry about electoralism has definitely been an experience. I did not know that it was so easy to upset a group of people by simply saying that people shouldn’t waste time advocating for people to vote for the Democrats.
Color me unsurprised that you’re going to continue a strategy that hasn’t worked in 20 plus years.
What’s the definition of insanity continuing to do something that doesn’t work and hoping for a different result?
You’re speaking to a child that doesn’t understand harm reduction. They want what they want, now, or they flip the table over. Or rather, talk about flipping the table over, because this guy isn’t leading any concerted effort to change things. He’s just complaining.
He will 100% not vote or vote 3rd party next time around, being part of the problem, not the solution.
Reforming the Democratic party by primarying bad actors and sending a message to establishment Dems is the answer, not crying and crossing your fingers that a 3rd party wins (they won’t) or a revolution happens. Reform has happened multiple times in American history and conservatives literally just did it to their party over the last 2 decades.
Reforming the Democratic party by primarying bad actors and sending a message to establishment Dems is the answer, not crying and crossing your fingers that a 3rd party wins (they won’t) or a revolution happens. Reform has happened multiple times in American history and conservatives literally just did it to their party over the last 2 decades.
I think you are missing a not in primaring bad actors. I agree that we cannot have a progressive movement if we don’t try and grow it.
and it’s now up to the people to create a whole new system of power
I think it’s cute that you believe it’s easier to “create a whole new system of power” than it is to reform a political party by primarying bad actors that don’t do what their constituents want, which has literally been done multiple times in American history and was just done to the Republican party by conservative voters over the last 2 decades.
Pick up a history book.
Or start a revolution yourself. I’m sure people will follow you…
Never said its easy. Just said that we need to start.
I have picked up a history book. I have watched people with small groups make massive changes and they didn’t rely on electoralism as the first front or an important front in their battle for liberty. This strategy is only pushed by privileged liberals that think they can wait out each administration to just vote the better candidate in while the minorities suffer due to lack of local organization.
Those of us on the ground know better which is why were are helping our local communities now.
I stand by my statement.
Yes the flawed voting system is a major problem which is why we should put no effort into maintaining it and should put all of our effort into maintaining local organizations to make up for the fact that our government wants to cut all social spending.
The fascists are here. They aren’t knocking down the door. They’re in the White House. And the strategy of voting the Democrats to prevent the fascist from Gaining power has failed.
The Democrats have learned no lessons and it’s now up to the people to create a whole new system of power but if people are looking for something to do in the moment one should be focused on their local organizations that actually do something for their community instead of the DNC and other electoral political organizations that do nothing but waste people time on trying to stall the death of a Dying System that is already delivered us into the hands of fascists.
Oh and if you’re voting for the Democrats because they’re supposed to save the minorities that’s on the chopping block too. They’re ready to sacrifice everybody for power.
I can’t disagree with much there!
I just want to point out the sometimes-overlooked fact that we are also here (delivered to hands of fascists) because so god damn many Americans wanted it. Arguably the voting system worked great because most of the voters wanted the guy who promised a racist dictatorship.
That doesn’t necessarily change how we respond to the situation now (I am local focused for sure), and yeah maybe there was election rigging and cheating so it shouldn’t have gone this way… but damn do we have a culture problem moreso than a political system problem.
Granted a lot of the culture problem is the direct result of politics, and all the propaganda and media influence that people don’t even realize is attracting their political beliefs. Stuff us complicated for sure.
The dems as a whole wouldn’t be moving back as quickly. If your in one of the groups you’d be better off being in a delicate but protected class rather than persecuted. Having obstruction to arms shipments would help Palestinians.
So back to you, how’s not voting achieving anything? Its proven to be a strategic blunder. Tamkies that say otherwise aren’t serious people.
Non voting has been the biggest block for several election cycles now.
Its not blue no matter who. Its blue when harm reduction is one of the limited choices and working to expand the progressive wing where possible.
What an asinine statement.
People aren’t voting because they’re Marxist and they’re taking a principal position against electoralism. People aren’t voting because they know their vote doesn’t count.
People like me aren’t the problem. My goal is to get people energized and involved in local politics which is vastly more important than the stupid electoral politics that this community keeps pushing. The Democrats lead us here and allowed this to happen. But yeah let’s just keep giving them the keys to the kingdom because the other guys are worse
What’s the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?
harm reduction doesn’t work if it did Trump wouldn’t be in office.
harm reduction isn’t going to get people to vote people couldn’t be arsed to vote in 2020/2024. You think shouting about harm reduction is going to get those people back in the voting booth?
The DNC have systematically shut down the progressive wing and we have less progressives in office now than we did in 2016.
Our institutions have abandoned us to the wolves and we need to build new ones. The faster y’all recognize that the faster that work can finish
Its not blue no matter who. Its blue when harm reduction is one of the limited choices and working to expand the progressive wing where possible.
No show has been the biggest block of voters pretty much every election for decades now. Their votes don’t count because they are not voting for them to be counted.
Marginalized communities were 100% under dem control. Not in ideal conditions, but not being hunted.
In none of my comments I have said that voting is the only front. I am saying it is one of many and a very important one. Tankies like yourself are discouraging people from showing up and giving even more control to the far right. It makes you some very bad allies. Hispanics would not be hunted for sport. Abortion rights not rolled back as quickly. Palestine might have a better chance if we could block arms shipments fueling their destruction.
It’s always about harm reduction. Was about harm reduction in 2016, it was about harm reduction in 2020, it was about harm reduction in 2024.
No one cares. Liberal activists have been banging the drum about harm reduction for the better part of 20 years.
You think continuing to go on about harm reduction is going to get the apathetic electorate to vote?
Yeah you’re damn right there are people out here encouraging people to not waste their time with electoralism. There are much better places we should be spending our energy where it actually matters.
As far as the safety of minority groups under Democrat leadership I’d say it’s a wash given that state leadership is far far more important than Federal leadership.
The Democrats will not save us nor will they deliver us from fascism
Did you read where I wrote this:
Can’t move past harm reduction if you are not growing the progressive wing where possible. Either in the dem party or spinning of a serious 3rd party. Libertarian, as gross as they are, have made their ideas main stream in the Rs. Again tankies discouraging voting is abandoning a key front in the [class] war and rolling over for fascists.
Tankies just aren’t serious people. Ive never had a tankie like yourself propose and different actionable plan. If they were serious they would have one to talk about rather than just shitting on what we do have.
Not voting has cost us LGBT, womens, and other rights. So… yeah they have a lot at stake. This is a [class] war and in all war you don’t have a say about when it stops.
Have you not watched that Democratic party sacrifice the progressives on the altar of so-called progress?
Can’t grow a progressive Wing if it’s constantly stopped out by the DNC. 🙄
It’s wonderful you understand we’re in a class war. It’s idiotic how you think electoralism is a major front in the class war. You know how I know this? Because groups have already tried the strategy you’re talking about in history and specifically failed to save themselves from fascism. See Germany in the 1900s.
You say “not voting” has cost us the rights of women lgbtq minorities and other people, I say pushing a strategy of harm reduction for the Electoral it for the past 20 years is the reason that those rights were lost.
Lol.
I keep scrolling waiting for you to do something other than complain. I’m waiting for you to present some kind of path forward.
The closest you’ve gotten so far is implying that we need new political parties, while apparently being completely unaware that we are NOWHERE NEAR a viable 3rd party in this country. That would take YEARS of one putting in the hard work and winning local/state elections and getting MORE THAN ZERO members in the House and Senate.
You’re over here whining about the Democrat party, trying to get people to not vote for them, when there is no viable alternative and absolutely, positively, 100% will not be one by the next election.
You want to wipe the board clean instead of reforming an already super established party. That’s childish and won’t work.
LOCALLY ORGANIZE
I don’t think I can be much clear about the solution. Do you think voting in 2026/2028 is going to save us? Thats funny. How about we focus on making it to 2028.
I don’t want people to waste their time volunteering with the Democrats when they could be working with one of the other hundreds of local organizations that actually uplift there community instead of just burn the averages voters goodwill
I addressed this:
And i think its idiotic you are abandoning people you could be helping.
Yeah you didn’t actually address my point that the DNC squashes Progressive politics so that there isn’t a progressive wing and there will not be one in the DNC. It’s fun to pretend though but you did actually address this concern though.
It’s not my fault that you lack creativity and are unable to imagine a way of helping people that doesn’t involve electoralism and think that’s abandoning people 🙄
Let me ask you a simple question.
Do you believe a 3rd party will be viable on a national level by 2028?
I don’t need you to type a novel in response. Just a basic yes or no.
Let me ask you a simple question.
What are you going to do to help the afflicted minorities to make to 2028?
So you’re too unintelligent to answer a simple question about your own beliefs?
Color me unsurprised based on ALL your other comments.
You’re just some loser trying to diminish the best chances we have at stopping this madness in 2026 and 2028. You cry about trans rights but actively work against the best VIABLE path forward for them in the foreseeable future.
You are part of the problem and not worth anyone’s time or effort. You’re trash.
Watching a bunch of liberals cry about electoralism has definitely been an experience. I did not know that it was so easy to upset a group of people by simply saying that people shouldn’t waste time advocating for people to vote for the Democrats.
Color me unsurprised that you’re going to continue a strategy that hasn’t worked in 20 plus years.
What’s the definition of insanity continuing to do something that doesn’t work and hoping for a different result?
You’re speaking to a child that doesn’t understand harm reduction. They want what they want, now, or they flip the table over. Or rather, talk about flipping the table over, because this guy isn’t leading any concerted effort to change things. He’s just complaining.
He will 100% not vote or vote 3rd party next time around, being part of the problem, not the solution.
Reforming the Democratic party by primarying bad actors and sending a message to establishment Dems is the answer, not crying and crossing your fingers that a 3rd party wins (they won’t) or a revolution happens. Reform has happened multiple times in American history and conservatives literally just did it to their party over the last 2 decades.
I think you are missing a not in primaring bad actors. I agree that we cannot have a progressive movement if we don’t try and grow it.
I think it’s cute that you believe it’s easier to “create a whole new system of power” than it is to reform a political party by primarying bad actors that don’t do what their constituents want, which has literally been done multiple times in American history and was just done to the Republican party by conservative voters over the last 2 decades.
Pick up a history book.
Or start a revolution yourself. I’m sure people will follow you…
Never said its easy. Just said that we need to start.
I have picked up a history book. I have watched people with small groups make massive changes and they didn’t rely on electoralism as the first front or an important front in their battle for liberty. This strategy is only pushed by privileged liberals that think they can wait out each administration to just vote the better candidate in while the minorities suffer due to lack of local organization.
Those of us on the ground know better which is why were are helping our local communities now.