Several people in the community have expressed frustration in regards to the fact that any post that fits the community it’s posted to but is slightly out of the normal post type like, for example, being more hardcore rather than softcore, get’s a lot of downvotes by people who simply don’t like that particular post.
We have also had complaints that particular types of posts as a whole get more downvotes even if they are in the appropriate community and are the normal type of post for a community. This especially appears to be happening to male content.
Additionally we are seeing posts with more downvotes than a community has subscribers, meaning people are downvoting content they don’t even want to see in the first place.
We understand some may not like some content of a particular post or community, but downvoting posts discourages these posters who are actually passionate/interested in the topic of the community from posting again. Additionally, when posts are downvoted like that it can bury them in our instance and especially in other instances, preventing them from being viewed by others almost at all.
After some discussion amongst the moderators and admins,because of the reasons above, we’ve decided to disable downvotes at least for the time being.
What do I do if I dislike a post?
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We recommend those who would normally downvote a post they don’t like just, instead, block the user who created the post, or, if the community is a topic you dislike, block the community. That way, you no longer see those posts, but don’t effect those posts’ visibility to other members of the community and instance.
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Additionally, you can view your “Subscribed” feed instead of “Local” so that you only see posts from the communities you are subscribed to.
What do I do if a post doesn’t fit the community it’s posted in or is spam?
- Please report the post, either the mods of the community or an instance admin will remove the post if necessary, as soon as possible. We have admins and mods online almost around the clock, so these types of posts should be removed quickly.
Potential future post filtering on lemmy:
- In the future it appears that lemmy may implement a tagging system similar to flairs on reddit. This request has piqued the interest of the lemmy devs, so keep an eye out sometime in the (maybe not so near) future for the implementation of that feature.
As @[email protected] has said in the comments:
Downvotes should be used for posts you don’t like in your area of interest, and not for niche communities you don’t like.
When the RFC mentioned in the post is developed, we will be able to have a more refined home page, this way we can enable downvotes.
But for now, please block users/communities as it supposed to be.
Please put any comments questions and concerns in the comments below, we are of course always open to community thoughts and feedback, and want to work with you to keep this instance an enjoyable and entertaining place to post and browse.
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Good move, I can only upvote this decision. Jokes aside this is a good move.
The discussion is old and tired so I won’t rehash it. But, I did want to vocalise my support as people are more likely to speak up about things to complain which can shift the perspective.
But, I did want to vocalise my support as people are more likely to speak up about things to complain which can shift the perspective.
Thank you. You are totally right with your observation.
Just wanted to comment that I also agree with the decision. Lemmy has a lack of OC amateur porn so I really feel like anyone breaking the ice and posting their own content shouldn’t receive any downvotes.
It’s now over a week and it seems things generally have improved. A lot more different posters, but niche content and OC have not increased much yet. A lot more postings of popular redgifs links by non-OC reposters.
Just some unscientific observations - based on my own posts into small niche focused communities:
- more people seem to have switched to viewing own subscribed feed.
- not excessive amounts of upvotes, to be expected for small communities and small number of subscribers. I want my niche communities to be small and intimate of mostly interested/engaged subscribers, not just passersbys.
- some haters seem to have started abandoning LemmyNSFW (or blocked me/my comms which is totally good, as that’s the way its supposed to work for stuff one has no interest in seeing)
I’m happy to continue posting and helping grow communities. 😊
Just highlighting a rule/advice I have on sidebar of [email protected] (and applicable at any of other communities I mod)
Please don’t engage with Trolls and those being disrespectful to community/members. Report such to mods for ban action. Zero Tolerance.
Just a reminder that it is ok to propose different solutions and also disapproval of the change here, we know this is not a perfect solution.
I don’t think recommending blocking users is a good idea. It could have effect of creating “holes” if a user posts in multiple communities. It seems best to block the community to remove the majority of content you aren’t into. That way you still see a users posts in a community that you do like.
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Fair point
I agree with the decision but disagree with the reasons. And I believe a community poll should have been held before the change.
The actual reasons I think downvotes shouldn’t be used are those mentioned in Is it worth having downvotes?: because it discourages people from posting content, especially if they post their own nudes and receive downvotes, and it makes the content from this instance less visible in other instances. Those two result in less content overall.
Those are the reasons I presented, maybe I didn’t word them well. As far as a community poll, well, there have been a few posts about it in different communities, including the one you linked, and discussion amongst mods for weeks. The majority of feedback from the community we’ve seen is that they are in favor of it.
Edit: I’ve updated the post to make it more clear.
I think it’s a good change for now, prevents people feeling demotivated! Thanks for the update.
Sounds like we’re only allowed to upvote and anything whatsoever that gets posted is considered valid content? So… basically just a shitty Instagram for nudes?
Another commenter with 0 posts and 0 comments in this community complaining about not being able to downvote posts.
and anything whatsoever that gets posted is considered valid content
Where did you get that from? There are mods in each community who set guidelines, remove off-topic posts, remove spam, etc. If you see inactive mods in a community you can request to take over the community.
So… basically just a shitty Instagram for nudes?
No one is forcing you to be here. If you don’t like parts of it you can submit posts, create communities, give constructive feedback to improve this place.
“downvoting posts discourages these posters who are actually passionate/interested in the topic of the community from posting again. Additionally, when posts are downvoted like that it can bury them, preventing them from being viewed by others almost at all.”
Isn’t that literally the point of down voting? To discourage posting that doesn’t fit the community so that it isn’t seen by as many people… ESPECIALLY since the focus on this instance is NSFW then more discouragement of posts that don’t fit should be the goal so that users subscribed to those communities surface the appropriate things they want to see. You’ve removed users’ agency to shape their communities and caused waaaaaay more work for moderators.
This also takes away our ability to down vote posts across the entire federation it appears?!
Maybe in theory but that’s not how they get used
All my posts in the Any Schumer get down voted despite it being on topic
and caused waaaaaay more work for moderators.
Hard disagree as a moderator of a bunch communities
Terrible community to use as an example. It’s not NSFW so not sure what it’s doing on this instance. The down votes kind of prove the community itself shouldn’t exist…
Just FYI Celebs communities are allowed content here and there are NSFW/nudity posts in that community.
Again proving that downvotes are getting misused.
You are conflating allowed with desired.
I think maybe that’s the problem with this entire discussion and people approaching it from two different stand points. Some see up votes and down votes as organic democratic processes to shape the instance, and the federation as a whole.
Others see them as impediments to their… ego?, popularity?, that’s the part I am not getting. Why are posters so intent on posting things in public that people clearly don’t want? Keep those images on your own hard drive. Make your own instance and defederate lemmy.world and the like. Make this instance defederated and folks can find a different nsfw instance for more of the western mainstream desired porn stuff.
But whatever. I’m audi
No one is telling you to like everything here.
If you don’t like a particular community don’t subscribe to it and you can also block it from appearing in the all feed.
There’s a lot of categories of porn and a lot of fetishes out there. Your downvotes are just ruining it for other people.
You can check my down vote history I’ve heard. Please do. You’re barking up the wrong tree and blaming the wrong people
You can check my down vote history I’ve heard. Please do.
I don’t think I can unless I’m an admin.
You’re barking up the wrong tree and blaming the wrong people
Given your desire to downvote people’s posts who actually put in the work of posting here I think I am talking to the right person.
I understand what you’re saying, and while I personally like downvotes I’ve also seen how posters who fully fit the topic of a community are discouraged from posting because they were downvoted by people outside of the community
Moderators have talked about this for a few weeks now, this decision won by a majority after we got several complaints.
If something doesn’t fit a community that can be brought up to the mods in a post and a discussion can be had. However as of right now, with the size of this instance and to promote more growth downvotes haven’t really been helpful.
“posters who fully fit the topic of the sub are discouraged from posting because they were downvoted by people outside of the community”
Ok. I hear that. I guess maybe that proves the community itself should be discouraged? I don’t like that sentiment necessarily but… The inability to down vote federated posts means I’m going to bounce to another instance probably. I liked being able to curate my NSFW subscriptions and not risk being defederated from the entire lemmynsfw instance but can just change accounts now and again I suppose.
Agree that the point of down voting is to discourage posts that don’t fit with the community, which means the the community is voting for what it does and does not want to see in a community.
Someone being passionate about something that doesn’t fit with what the community wants to see getting frustrated should not over ride what the community has voted for. They should instead find or create a community that fits their passion and not try to change a community to fit their passion.
Yes but my point is it’s usually people outside a community. We’ve seen posts get more downvotes than a community has subscribers. If we could limit downvotes to just those subscribed to a community, we would, but unfortunately that functionality doesn’t exist right now.
Additionally upvoting does also work to shape a community, posts with more upvotes will still rise to the top of a community
So if a post gets more upvotes than a community has subscribers will you disable upvotes too?
That’s a strawman and you know it, those two things are not comparable for multiple reasons.
Convinient
What are the reasons upvotes and downvotes are not comparable?
Maybe it’s just me, but this feels like a double standard.
Let’s say I create a community that allows male and female content. But a lot of users join the community who dislike male content and consistently downvote it as a way to discourage it, then those downvoters are the ones trying to change the community. To me, it is the downvoters who are trying to, in a sense, hijack the community and make it something it wasn’t intended to be.
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Thanks for giving this a shot!
Unfortunately I can’t see your guys posts except mod posts. Not sure what kind of NSFW you’re posting here
Sound like you need to enable nsfw posts in your app or in lemmy settings
I can see NSFW post from other NSFW communities, except yours
I tried it, and it did not work
Fck it, I’m begining to look for a new nsfw server. Normal people need both down votes and upvotes equally. That is called freedom of opinion and a free exchange of freedom of opinions. The comunity is a comunity then it is not a walled garden of enforced hapy smiles only. If someone doesn’t like getting down votes, the problem is in them, they have a chance to correct, adjust their content, but all is lost if they are just blocked. You’ll lose comunity faster this way. And so, your decision to remove functionality is plain wrong. Oh, and vote me down, if you do not agree ;) you fcks.
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“i dont know you so fuck off”
im sorry who the fuck are you again? this user right?
You realize people have multiple accounts, right? It’s important that you know this.
Its too bad that I can’t downvote you lol 😅
Our goal here is not to take away the downvote feature, believe me, but to protect the posters. Please see our good intentions.
Yes 😂 you can’t any more. From now on everybody will have to play a stupid game of adding aditional comments with “I don’t like it”, “I like it” and then upvoting one of them. That’s just silly. I see your good intentions, but don’t agree with the means. The only efect it will have on sorting is that the post will be counted as equaly active in both cases. Comunity will not be able to rise and drown posts to their liking.
Sounds like a recipie for more body shaming and hate comments on the instance but what do I know.
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Says the person with 0 posts and 0 comments after 5 months.
What have you contributed to build the community here?
I’ve voted ;) P.S. and I have multiple accounts on several lemmy instances. This one is just for watching, voting, collecting (in favs) of nsfw. Same as I did it before on reddit. I don’t mix my content between my users, that is very convenient and saves privacy.
I fully understand why you guys did this and it is certainly a solution to the problem above.
That being said, I really do not like this change.
I would go into detail about the reasons why, but I feel like this topic has been hashed out a few times before. So everyone should know why people are for and against this change.
(I am only posting this comment because the other way to show disapproval has now been removed.)
counting myself lucky I agree with your disagreement right now, because if i disagreed with your disagreement, and didn’t want to spell out my verbatim argument (since thats often useless anyway online), I would have no way to signal that sentiment now.
I have no problem with downvotes . I have problem with users who downvote and comment " WTF is wrong with people/ Why you degrade like this?" on a SPH community! Rules and description are on the sidebar! People see something and dont even bother to check what community they are commenting on. What I am supposed to post on SPH / Femdom comminity ? - Minnie Mouse praising them?
Are the people writing those comments subscribed to the community you’re posting in? Might also be a problem of people from the local feed commenting on those posts?
Non subscribers only, but surely they can see the community name - subbed or not.
Of course they can, but reality is that some just don’t do it. It’s really frustrating and I’m sorry that this is happening to you.
Would you be interested in help with moderating your communities? I think that’s the best we can do until the Lemmy software itself improves.
honestly wouldn’t it make sense to defederate from every non-NSFW instance? then people would not see porn unless they come here.
I imagine some people want their main instance account to include porn. Not how I would (and do) operate, but simplicity would be a reason.
For example I have my phone set up with Island to duplicate my apps for porn use separately from the direct installs. It’s a hassle. I can totally imagine wanting to just not bother if one’s life situation allows for that.
I imagine some people want their main instance account to include porn.
Right here. I want the occasional nude pic among my news and memes.
Well that would hurt our growth quite a bit, we have to strike a balance between good user experience and still being accessible otherwise this instance will just die. We will implement other solutions once they exist, but until then, this is a “happy” middle ground
