But…
“Whiteness” doesn’t exist.
Well it does, it’s just not what people think it is.
Seems a little racist, but I get where OP is coming from.
Oh I think I know this guy from reddit
You think that guy isn’t also on Lemmy?
Willing to bet they’re on Kbin, Kbin favors trolls more than Lemmy does, since they have significantly worse moderation and some kbin instances have no moderation.
Never said he’s not
If you look, you might see him in this very thread
Homer shriek
I think this guy is reddit.
That guy is reddit
Hate to break it to everyone but many of those people found their way here too. Which is why this post is sitting at 74% upvotes as of my writing… They don’t appreciate being called out.
It’s probably worse than that. Those of us that took it as a good reason to leave reddit are very special.
Waiting for one of them to chime in with why the person depicted in the meme is good actually
Something something marketplace of ideas
It’s the guy above in this thread saying “Strawman arguments are so boring & ineffectual.”
Yes, I saw that one.
I’ve also seen that user in other posts, behaving just as you’d expect lol
I looked at their history and didn’t really see anything like that. Remember an example?
Tell me you don’t understand how party politics & voting work without telling me you don’t understand how party politics & voting work
…to someone who clearly does understand how party politics and voting work, but it understandably disillusioned by the fact that we have two right-wingers to choose from, albeit one much further to the right than the other. Completely handwaves the negative effects of Democrats’ actions, which are very much in need of criticism.
I voted for Biden, but it’s been increasingly disappointing to watch stuff like this. Biden opened more concentration camps, Biden continued the wall, Biden took power away from railroad workers in favor of his own lobbyists’ approach, and supported the IRS in auditing unprecedented numbers of low wage earners. We need to talk about these things. This partisan teat-sucking shit needs to stop.
And if that’s “just how the system works,” then we need a new one. If families need to be imprisoned while Washington moves glacially, then fuck anything and anyone who enables that.
Ironically, by calling everyone a Russian psy-op who dares criticize the party, Democrats are alienating all except their most conservative voters.
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Yeah but they’ll soon realize how bored they get because of how few people there are here. Why go waste effort to anger like 50 people when they can go around angering over 1,000? Big difference.
Smaller online communities are the antidote for what I’ve got. For a lot of reasons
I downvoted this because I don’t like it
Perhaps if we create further divisions amongst ourselves along lines of race, gender, and sexuality, we can ascend above these divisions.
… Wait a minute.
Yeah! Some stereotypes are A-OK!
Is that the pedo guy?
I think that’s just the CEO
Serious response, but that’s almost certainly some random guy who got paid like 100 bucks by a stock image company. I always feel bad when a real person’s likeness gets applied to horrible ideological positions they probably don’t personally endorse just because they look like a stereotypical chud.
Yeah true. I was focused more on the concept than the guy, but I can see what you’re saying. The literal guy in the photo might be a really great person for all we know.
bullshit, he’s white and an obvious KKK grand wizard
For conservatives, being called white is somehow a slur.
That’s what they are conserving. The hierarchy.
So which social justice cause has Biden made meaningful progress on?
Police shootings? Prison labor? Qualified Immunity? Civil Asset Forfeiture? Rent affordability? Welfare cliff? Welfare work load for not losing benefits? Unions? (Lmao, we all remember the railroad) Cash bail? Debtor’s prison? (An unconstitutional practice the DOJ could end today) Reproductive healthcare? Minimum sentences? Child marriage?
Look, if the word on the street was that Biden had meaningfully improved life for minorities and lower socioeconomic groups then I’d respect that. But it isn’t. Shit is just festering while the Democrats take victory laps.
Actually yes on Reproductive Healthcare, he signed a Memorandum in 2023 and Executive Order in 2022.
He also signed into law an update to the Respect for Marriage Act that extends protections to homosexuals and the trans community.
He also signed the Eviction Memorandum that prevented people from being evicted during the Pandemic.
Ironically the legislature that Biden helped write and pass in 1994, which overall was an absolutely terrible bill that most Democrats regret, is actually the law that gives the DOJ the power to audit and investigate Police Departments, but sadly the Patterns and Practice Reform Work reports seems to have ended under the Trump Admin and has yet to be renewed in any meaningful way.
Admittedly, Biden only mentioned an end to Cash Bail in passing as a single sentence in a 42 page document back in 2021, so not much progress there, but he did Pardon all simple possession convictions very early in his presidency.
The eviction moratorium was a disaster. Many people just got evicted later instead of during COVID lockdowns. It had the effect of raising their rent to an untenable level after the moratorium was over.
The executive order amounts to a request to please keep treating women at hospitals. It’s been largely ignored because doctors, shockingly, don’t want to go to prison for murder.
I’ll give him some credit for codifying Obergefell. But that was basically already done, it just needed to get pushed across the finish line.
I’ll even admit it’s not like any other president would do better. But the victory laps are a slap in the face.
Ah, this is “a lesson about how to exclude white people (still the majority of the country) from any social justice movement.” Characterize and belittle any of them who try to engage and support a cause.
If they can’t relate and want to have a conversation about it but challenge some of the ideas then they’re the baddies. If they don’t just repeat the movement’s slogans without thought then clearly they should be excluded. This honestly feels like a right wing subversion tactic.
Yes, I know there are people like the post. People who love to argue and do it for the fun of arguing. Those people do cause trouble if you’re trying to get a consensus or get something done… But just like “welfare , queens” or criminal illegal immigrants, they feel like the minority where this is intending to paint a large group of people with the same brush.
It’s usually not good to make fun of people who are trying to help, or you teach people to shut down and not engage with your cause. If the statement is you have to have experienced or you can’t relate, then why bother having a movement because you’re not trying to convince anybody who isn’t already on your side.
The country of lemmy.world?
It’s funny to me comments are distracting with the white guy while dismissing the liberal hypocrisy he imbues.
maybe because the first sentence is “i’m a white man”
It’s because Lemmy had an influx of new conservative sign ups.
Why would conservatives choose Lemmy over Reddit? Genuinely. Lemmy is the explicitly leftist answer to Reddit, at least in intention.
Not all conservatives are Republicans and Trump supporters. Joe Manchin, Liz Cheney, Joe Lieberman, etc. Many Democrats have conservative leanings.
Yes, and my point still stands. Lemmy is explicitly modeled in leftist fashion, not liberal or fascist, or any other conservative ideology.
It’s just interesting, that’s all. Choosing Lemmy isn’t an accident, it’s a fringe community formed due to the failures of Reddit. Choosing Lemmy over Reddit is an inherently political choice.
Remember: race is a social construct …until you can use it to criticize white people, then those people are white and bad and it’s objective reality, there’s no “social construct” anymore.
How do you people not hear yourselves?
This is the kind of shit that makes people (correctly) say “both sides”. Both sides are racist, both sides think their racism is justified, both sides completely overlook their own hypocrisy on the issue. The only change is which race they start the discussion with.
Who do you think “constructed” the whiteness? The criticism isn’t about race, it’s about the hierarchy and power “whiteness” infers.
Here in South Africa we just call them “white liberals.”
Ok, so what’s the implication about white people here?
white = bad unless you think you’re the opposite sex, then it’s ok.
Fuckin lol’d. 🤣
There is literally a slur specifically aimed at white women (Karen). It’s okay in feminist circles to say that white women should shut up. And here’s a study that shows people also ethnically mark white women.
I don’t think there is a group you can belong to that’s not stereotyped badly in some way.
Straight white man bad
The implication is less about white people and more about the people posting this shit.
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OP wasn’t funny either, just confusing.
If I can play devil’s advocate here…
“Economist, political scientist liberal and libertarian”
“If you block me means I win the debate”
TIL lemmy.world is full of extremely fragile closet fascists, wow!
great post OP!
“Dont think about your decisions, just listen to me and ill tell you whats best”
- TokenBoomer
Whoosh!
Whoosh!
Made you think 🤔
now if you would, then again you have the privileged position of now having to worry too much if the government is going to allow roving lynching squads to exterminate “your kind” should Biden not be president next election
When will Biden shut down ICE? When will he stop imprisoning and deporting my loved ones.
Oh wait, he opened even more concentration camps and continued building Trump’s wall.
Tell me again how I’m the one who’s privileged in this scenario?
you, unironically.
let’s talk about those fun points you bring up:
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Biden building Trump’s wall, walls don’t do shit, they legally don’t have a choice as they can’t change the money allocation, and you need to spend it, tho the democrats did go and sell off all the material to build the wall.
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the Biden limits on arrests, why didn’t this become a thing? well because a court ruled it illegal
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the “opening of new concentration camps” was ICE renting facilities outside their actual facilities, the reason for that was again due to legal obstructionism.
so, yes, you are privileged as fuck if your biggest concern is Biden not breaking the law, meanwhile other people have to worry that their life is forfeit if Trump gets into office again, as in straight-up hanging from power/light poles kind of shit.
Jesus christ, you bootlickers can’t go a day without excusing Biden’s atrocities. Fucking yikes.
And I’m not the one who’s privileged here. Half my family arrived undocumented, I’m gay living in a red state, I’m poor, and Democrats are barely less problematic than Republicans.
Fucking yikes to you. You’re excusing fascism, colonialism, and genocide, and the cherry on top of the shit sundae is you stalking me, following me into a thread where you LIE your ass off, claiming I said things that I never said.
And then you right-wing neoliberal wackjobs wonder why no one to the left of Bernie Sanders has respect for you. News flash: It’s your lies and your awful, unquestioning commitment to partisan politics.
And yes, I do vote, and I’m personally affected by the results, which is why we need to be able to talk critically about the party and demand more than the fascism we’ve been getting. And people like you who lie and deflect are pushing people away because we all see through your ruse.
You’re a shameful person.
More fascism with the support of Democrats.
What’s your pathetic excuse this time? Something something compromise?
The whole system is fucked.
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you sound hurt
Like David Pakman
I’m not white but teenage/early 20’s me is feeling really called out right now…
How exactly is this NOT racist?
Tell me you don’t understand what white supremacism is without telling me you don’t understand what white supremacism is.
It’s interesting that was your response.
It’s interesting how vilifying an entire group of people based on the skin color is not considered racist if that skin color is white.
Historically “racist” is the bunk pseudoscience that claimed white people are more intelligent than other racial groups. When you refer to someone in the modern age as racist you are comparing them to those idiots. It wouldn’t make a lot of sense to compare somebody to that group for disliking white people.
To answer the deeper question you’re hinting at, although the post is racially predigest, making fun of white people for being white is generally considered punching up which is not frowned on in the same way as punching down.
Considered punching up? Is that not racist itself? If a non-white considers making fun of white people to be “punching up”, then do they consider themselves as lesser than white people? We are all human, and discriminating based on race is racist regardless of the race.
Punching up/down isn’t in reference to some scale of a person’s value, but in reference to how much somebody struggles. While in this case is is about race it doesn’t have to be. Making fun of somebody for having cancer for instance would be punching down because they are already struggling with that thing.
Obviously it can get nuanced pretty easily. People like Caitlyn Jenner are so privileged that the systemic oppression/hate of trans people probably don’t effect her very much, so it’s probably not punching down to make fun of her, though others may disagree.
It may make more sense to rephrase it as “don’t hit someone when they’re already on the ground”.
“Whites,” have Cultural Hegemony.
lol.
It’s interesting that you aren’t answering the question.
because it’s against the “bad” race.
It’s not necessary a “white” person, for example I once had a discussion with a black American who took this position depicted here, a big Obama fan and free market defender
“i can’t be racist, i have a black friend”
