The Journal reported executives at SpaceX worried Elon Musk was on drugs after an “unhinged” all-hands meeting in which he slurred and rambled.
What a sad downspiral for the guy. There’s no way this ends well and we’re all forced to attend the party.
Guys let’s not make taking drugs look even worse by association it with that guy
I don’t know, this might make a few kids skip taking drugs. Maybe his cringeworthyness is finally doing something good.
Drugs are the innocent bystander here.
Given that SpaceX is a private company, where Musk owns the vast majority of voting rights, I’m not sure what can be done here. The same goes for Twitter, and I doubt Musk is stupid enough to have bylaws in a company he bought 12 months ago that would oust him for drug abuse (although I would fucking love it!)
Tesla, though, is only 21% owned by Musk (assuming Wikipedia is up to date). While it’s tight, I imagine the board could request he take a drug test, and if he refuses/fails, call a vote to remove him. Given that Tesla execs have been worried about his unhinged behaviour for years, it could be the blessing they’ve been hoping for.
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Nothing, and nothing needs to be done. It’s his company, he can run it how he wants and that will result in how successful it is. Personally I wouldn’t be anywhere near him and unless I had a dire need not to, I’d quit working for whatever company he owns and find somewhere more sane to spend my time
I think the issue is that SpaceX has government contracts. NASA and the military are probably more likely to be authoritarian about drug use among their contractors. He got in some hot water for smoking a joint in a Joe Rogan episode a few years ago too.
I think it’s ridiculous of course. Let people do drugs. If he becomes incompetent then oust him for incompetence. Don’t bring drug dogs in, especially since they’re really only going to find low-level employees self-medicating while the execs weasel around it.
That’s it exactly, SpaceX isn’t using Elmo’s bank account to fuck around, it’s using ours.
The drug-use aspect is irrelevant here. I don’t care if govt contractors are using drugs, as long as their work is effective. And the Falcon 9 rockets are unmatched. And the Starship prototypes are groundbreaking.
I could make some moral complaints about Musk as a military contractor and grifter, but specifically regarding SpaceX and drug use… I 100% support it. I mean, he should get a grip, but drug use is not where I want the govt to focus.
It’s using both
The guy was a decent salesman, heavilly empowered by daddy’s money and connections, who had a bit of luck, even though he only had one kind of salesmanship technique - the Techbro Brew: heavy on selling “high-tech” and “innovation” as inherently good and always trumphing other considerations - and kept walking the grey legal area between lies, exageration and Fraud.
However he seems to have started believing his own schtick that he’s a special golden boy whose farts smell of roses, and here we are now.
Know this: having that amount of money is deeply not normal. None of us could do it. We’d save people. We’d build things that helped instead of giant toys. Billionaires are a type of sociopathy. And this guy’s got it bad.
100% tax after 999 million. Full stop.
Exactly. Musk and Trump are the poster children for why you shouldn’t leave your kids everything if you’re wealthy. It’ll ruin their lives and the lives of their children.
Not trying to defend excessive wealth, but Trump and Musk were both ruined by their fathers.
The regular model for self aware billionaires is to keep your head down. How much do you know about the Johnson and Johnson heirs? Or the Walmart heirs? They know their necks will be on the chopping block is they’re well known and a revolution comes.
Musk spent a lot of money trying to teach people that that doesn’t work.
He’s a billionaire because he owns the majority of Tesla and Tesla is very valuable. He has no taxable income unless he draws a salary or liquidates some of his Tesla shares
He demonstrated it by liquidating some shares and getting a tax bill
Billionaire spending money comes from a deal with a bank - the billionaire gets as much credit as they like, the bank is paid back by their estate upon death
“One tiny step for mankind and one giant leap for me personally” – Jason Alexander during a skit about piece of shit billionaires making dick shaped rockets going out into space.
The irony of course is Jason, Jerry, Julia, and Larry are all billionaires.
edit: apparently Jason only has a net worth of 50 mil despite being on the most popular sitcom of all time and the comparative net worths of his colleagues. I guess he got nothing on the back end for syndication. Shitty.
Julia was rich before Seinfeld even aired.
Larry and Jerry definitely got paid but I doubt either of them are billionaires.
edit: She’s the daughter of French-born business magnate Gérard Louis-Dreyfus.
In comparison, that’s absolutely shitty and I agree. On the other hand I look at his net worth though and it reminds me of a recent article about Tesla’s cofounders, and how out of 5 only two “got rich”. Within that same article the guy with the lowest net worth was still worth 200 million. Jason’s hilarious and I love his work, but at the same time if he “only” is worth 50 mil, congrats to the guy for getting rich anyway.
Good point though about the irony of it.
However he seems to have started believing his own schtick that he’s a special golden boy whose farts smell of roses, and here we are now.
Yeah, that’s the problem. Honestly, a lot of people would do this. That’s why corporations are supposed to have checks and balances.
I have a couple of acquaintances that are PayPal Mafia and what I’ve put together from them and anecdotes around the Valley is pretty much spot on what you’ve got here. He’s not special. Life just had a course that worked out for his douche ass.
So id wager he is an asset of the intel community.
He’s pretty highly valued by the incel community too
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Lmao didnt see this when I wrote the same under my sibling comment a second ago. 100%
I’d typically respond “aren’t they all?” But the MF has more money than God. I really don’t know what to make of him. I think he’s just a legitimate piece of shit incel king edge lord who lost the thread and doesn’t know he’s no longer just a troll. Maybe the daddy issues are so bad he cant see his own power. Why else act like this?
He grew up as a child of an emrald miner in South Africa under the aparthied regieme.
Super rich kid in a historically notoriiously dehumanizing society.
Its like perfect conditions for a narcisistic mental disorder.
So im not really suprised by his bizzare conservative appeals against poor people, employees, regulators and the like.
Comic books need villains too.
Nailed it. They always think they’re the victim hero saving us from ourselves. Who needs Kang and Doc Oc when you have jabronis like this guy and orangeman
So chatgpt doesn’t know what a fart is?
chatgpt is like Jon Snow
The image generator doesn’t know how to spell, basically. It’s trying to create the word farts based on all the times it’s seen it in an image.
As a large language model I cannot weaponize bodily emissions in order to diminish others.
The #2 law
Sounds like he’s having his Howard Hughes moment…
Companies perform drug checks for a reason. People who lead large organizations while regularly getting off on drugs are usually the biggest psychopaths around.
And that reason is to keep insurance premiums down.
So why do insurance premiums go up if people use drugs? Imaginary reasons?
Drug tests are just to keep their boots on the faces of the workers. It’s disgusting and invasive.
Don’t be silly. Drug testing is largely for worker’s comp. Think the insurance wants to pay out on an accident a fucked up employee got into? That has nothing to do with the employer.
That’s why the vast majority of jobs coded as “clerical” do not require a test. Employers don’t want to pay for all that if they don’t have to.
EDIT: Lemmings who know nothing of the employment field, but want to get righteously angry.
I’m sorry you’re eating downvotes but this is the absolute truth in a lot of cases. I put in 18 years at various restaurants, worked every position except manager. I’ve never needed a drug test to get a job, and every job I ever had in that industry people were definitely on drugs at work, but drug tests are mandatory after a workplace injury. The reason being they don’t actually care whether you’re high at work but they can use the fact that almost everyone in a restaurant is high in order to cut costs under the guise of “workplace safety”.
I can’t imagine trying to cook while stoned. It just doesn’t work that way for me.
lol I worked at a place whose name rhymes with “Sad Tex” because they’re called Mad Mex where the cooks were literally hitting the bowl on the line and blowing it into the hoods
They don’t really cook in a lot of kitchens (chain ones anyway), it’s more like they’re microwaving it for you.
There are exceptions, though. For instance, anyone who works in any capacity in the aviation industry is legally required to be tested for drugs. That includes, for example, software engineers working on booking systems.
Yep! Aviation is a whole nother world.
If I smoke a joint on the weekend that has nothing to do with an injury on a Thursday.
but thanks to decades of war on drugs propaganda, if you smoke a joint on the weekend you’re a bad and dangerous person and it’s not just acceptable but incumbent upon Real God-Fearing Americans©™® to hurt you however they can.
Because there are no instances in history where forcing drug use had been weaponized at the international level. Man, sometimes it’s so easy to see how lemmy is close to the same dark web that spams drug adverts on matrix.
You’re seriously suggesting that drug tests are designed to protect employees from employers forcing them to do drugs? That’s ridiculous.
False username, not sentient.
10 downvotes on this comment, because they either mis clicked, they’re guilty of the same thing and the truth hurts, or they’re bootlicking scab motherfuckers.
Probably because routine mandatory tests are bad, and the comment you replied to is an endorsement to it. It’s a gross violation of your constitutional rights under the 4th amendment. Also, why do you care to make assumptions on why people downvoted if you’re not even making an effort to broaden your views?
No argument there, I’m not an advocate for drug testing against any intrinsic right as spelled out in the constitution, but there are many situations where companies need some type of enforcement against people who get high and go to work. Industries from utility, security, heavy manufacturing, or construction are just a few off the top of my head that the public trust demands those employees be “fit for duty” regardless of the public/private sector distinction due to the potential for fatal harm and/or destruction of property.
The comment highlights the “rules for thee and not for me” mentality that C-suites have, to which I emphasize that while my viewpoint may seem narrow and extreme, it’s not due to a lack of broad views. I read that abstract and it’s a collection of concepts that does nothing to address some well understood concepts like “do you want a crane operator to be allowed to get high as a kite, jeopardizing lives?” as just one of many potential examples. If mandatory drug testing becomes ruled as illegal under the constitution, then we had damn well better amend it and figure this shit out…to which my and their point stands. I might even add that there are some ignorant assholes who apparently think it would just be great if we can all just be allowed to get high and kill people by accident. “It wasn’t a big deal, they just got some bad weed and the pilot killed himself and 200 people, what’s the big fucking deal?”
My source discussed your concerns, I think you did not read it.
“Most courts have ruled that mandatory urinalysis, at least in the absence of probable cause or reasonable suspicion, is invalid as a violation of the Fourth Amendment. While some courts have concluded that government workers may have a diminished expectation of privacy in comparison with the public at large, other courts have required some quantum of individualized suspicion before drug testing can be conducted. States have attempted to uphold mandatory drug testing by arguing that government employees voluntarily consent to drug testing and voluntary consent does not violate the Fourth Amendment. Courts have not accepted this argument, however, finding that consent obtained under the threat of disciplinary action is coercive and thus unconstitutional. The real issue in mandatory drug testing involves balancing individual versus government interests. Most courts hold that, absent probable cause or reasonable suspicion, individual constitutional rights are not outweighed by governmental interests”
I did, actually, so let’s break it down:
The strongest and most often cited argument for rejecting mandatory urinalysis is that such testing is an unreasonable search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment.
This is my issue right off the top, hence I bring up fit for duty requirements as a measure of preventing the loss of life and/or property. All reasonable suspicion and disciplinary issues arise after a major loss of life happens, and random UA testing has been viewed as a tool that functions preventatively in encouraging people not to show up under the influence of a substance, ie fit for duty.
Had you displayed a modicum of understanding, you could see that point rather clearly, but it seems you like to use a stupid fucking red herring to detract from the point altogether. If it’s unconstitutional, then it ought to be amended, and while we’re at it, keep people accountable especially scumbag C-suite execs who are often making decisions that demonstrably lead to death and/or loss of property in various ways.
Your reading comprehension is horrible, to say the least. Let me highlight the keywords for you so it’s easier.
Most courts have ruled that mandatory urinalysis, at least in the absence of probable cause or reasonable suspicion, is invalid as a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
It’s only a violation of the 4th amendment for government employees, because only the government is bound by the 4th amendment. It’s still bad, but not because of the Constitution.
Huh??? “Bound by the fourth amendment?” Have you ever read the Constitution? The fourth amendment protects you against unlawful search and seizure. As in, a protection afforded to all Americans. Please read a little.
Yes, I have. Have you?
The Bill of Rights is all about limiting what the government is allowed to do. The text of that particular amendment is more vague about who it applies to, but let’s say for the sake of argument it is the law that prevents private employers from drug testing you without your consent. What it absolutely does not do is prevent your employer from firing you if you don’t consent to a search they want to do.
Thankfully, smarter people than you and I decide what the law “applies to.” That’s what the courts have ruled, there can be no “consent” if it’s a condition for employment. There must be articulated suspicion.
In most cases I agree, with the exception of security clearances. That’s a give and take.
The higher up you go, the less likely it is that you’d be tested for drugs. We could empty board rooms if we insisted on drug testing at that level.
Yes, but I’m not really arguing against that claim. The higher up you go, the more psychopaths you have as well. They can have all the drugs they want, the real work usually doesn’t depend on them, and psychopathy helps them make money if not contribute to society.
Yeah, the most powerful drug: money …joking, he was probably under the best mix his personal lab could have created
Is it a joke? Seems like money makes rich people do crazy things, babble incoherently, act like they’re superheroes… like a lot of other drugs. And, of course, they go through serious withdrawal if they lose even a little of their money.
Yes, he is probably doing “real” drugs, but his biggest drug is money.
Yeah was a joke, I am well aware and you are totally right about the narcotic effect of money (and power itself)
I guess that Marijuana that he awkwardly smoked to be “cool” was a gateway drug to much worse.
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Honestly I can’t blame him. I couldn’t imagine not doing drugs if I was in his position.
I’d be R&Ding exciting new drugs!
His position? Hell, if I were him specifically I’d never come down again
Drugs and models are all I’d do if I were in his position and it’d be an improvement.
$44 Billion dollars buys enough Hookers and Blow to last the rest of your life.
$44b is enough for 25 guys to spend $50k per day on hookers and blow for more than 96 straight years!
Bold of you to assume Musk has 25 friends.
I’d be his friend for free drugs.
And? Its only a crime when regular people do it, for rich people its just ‘eccentric’
Until it starts hurting the other rich people- the investors. Eventually, Musk’s erratic behavior will have to be dealt with. He will never be anything but a multibillionaire, but he may not be CEO of his companies much longer at this rate.
Hasn’t he been relatively open about his habitual micro and macro dosing of ketamine?
There’s a world of difference between a micro and a macro dose. You don’t want to be anywhere near work with the latter.
The difference being, with one you get a light, pleasant, happy, drunk adjacent feeling. With the other, you’re sitting on the ground staring into the infinite void of nothingness, head lolled to one side, while your friends dab the back of your neck with a cool towel, hoping you don’t puke and asphyxiate on it.
I’d argue that once you are feeling effects of the drug, you are no longer micro dosing.
Micro dosing started out as a way to describe the maximum amount of substance you could take without feeling primary effects.
Slightly Fuzzy but not stoned is my go-to with dosing.
But as your body builds up resistance you’re gonna have to increase the dose
Also I imagine it’s like super sugar where people say “a little sweeter would be fine” and keep increasing the dose.
I definitely don’t want to be anywhere near Level 2 of a mushroom trip when I’m trying to actually function.
Just keep it nice and low; measure out 3.14g and split it 4 ways; have a quarter piece of Pi and all that cheesy goodness or wotnot.
Drugs are bad mhkay
which is also why the doses need to stay micro; so the body doesn’t percieve it as something worth building resistance to.
Yeah the whole thing is dumb. Let me eat as many mushrooms as I can without tripping balls so I can kinda work and think I’m a genius. That was hard enough to balance with weed in the office. Real drugs?? Are you fucking kidding me?? Worst case, nothing happens. “Best case,” I lose my career??? No thanks man. Maybe I’ll use them to clear my head on a Friday alone and use the sober new perspective on Monday. During work with no upside??? Nobody has to drive during the day??? End old man rant
Ketamine driving can’t possibly be safe.
I know that the rules for spravato (esketamine nasal spray, for depression) include no driving until after you’ve had a full night’s sleep.
I didn’t drive regularly when I was younger and fucked around. But both then and sober old man now, I couldn’t fathom driving within 48 hours of any drugs. Even day after drinking, it’s not safe… if you’re drinking until last call, tomorrow isn’t tomorrow
Jfc, driver might as well be asleep
Neither is Tesla’s Full Self Driving feature
Yep, college was great!
Lol my friends would 100% let me asphyxiate.
It’d be surprising if he could even manage talking with the latter.
That’s what the uppers are for.
A micro dose of those, a macro dose of that, a pinch of meth a day keeps the voices away
I really do think he started doing drugs a few years back.
He use to do drugs. He still does but he use to too.
Can we please not associate the comic genius that was Mitch Hedberg with the painfully unfunny idiot who is Elon Musk?
comic genius that was Mitch Hedberg with the painfully unfunny idiot who is Elon Musk
You mean the heroine addict that ruined his own career? Kinda like Elon is doing with ketamine, and other hard drugs?
Sometimes the truth hurts.
And? Does that make him less of a comic genius? Does that make Musk any less painfully unfunny?
It makes you blocked.
He smoked pot on Joe Rogan’s show.
He doesn’t seem like the sort of person who can have the self-control to stop there. He’s try uppers and downers and anything else to make himself feel good now that people are calling him out on his bullshit.
The dude was on top of the fucking world in February 2018 when he launched his car into orbit. In July of that year, he called a guy a pedo because the guy said Elon’s toy submarine idea was worse than useless.
If he had kept his dumb mouth shut, we would all still mostly believe in Elon’s bullshit myth.
Instead, it’s mostly common knowledge that Elon is a narcissistic man baby, and has been for his entire life.
He would rather we didn’t know about the emerald mine, but everyone knows. We know he bought his way to every success he’s ever had, and that he has zero natural talent.
And that has to drive him mad. So he does drugs and plays video games to escape from reality. A reality where he isn’t loved, and is actually viewed as the prime example of the problem with allowing billionaires to exist at all.
It was that Joe Rogaine interview, marijuana was his gateway drug.
These are the same people that let him fire a car into orbit around Mars with an “empty” space suit in the driver’s seat.
Wdym “empty”? Did he sneak a person inside or something? I wouldn’t put it past the guy.
Perfect way to get rid of a body.
I get the joke, but it’s the perfect way to have a body never found again. There would be many times during the whole thing he could have been caught if he had in fact done so. Think there are a few better ways to get rid of a body with less eyes on the situation.
Yeah, but would it be in a egocentric Musk way?
Apart from every single gram of weight having to be accounted for when you’re talking about rocketry.
That would be the news of the 24th century.
“The 21st century vehicle was rescued for placement in the Mars History Museum. DNA testing has confirmed that the man in the digital dark ages era space suite is in fact the formerly unknown half brother of Elon Musk. Mr. Musk is primarily remembered for creating the Xitter we know today. The xit posted by scientists is popping with more than 4 billion bursts around the two worlds. If you enjoy our content, don’t forget to link your brain, think hard about that like button, and focus on that bell for notifications.”
with one executive describing the event to the outlet as “nonsensical,” “unhinged” and “cringeworthy.”
This is different from normal?
Also:
SpaceX also began cracking down on illegal substances at the company by bringing in drug-sniffing dogs, sources told The Journal.
How much do you want to bet those dogs are never allowed up in the executive suites?
Well the smart money can only go inverse, and tripling down with a “I’ll see your bet and raise it 500%” that a drug dog absolutely will find a shit ton of drugs in the executive areas. I’d take out the largest loan I possibly could, then go to a loan shark and do a blood contract, and absolutely muster every possible cent I possibly could after whoring my own ass out, on THAT bet.
Can we make bets on how successful you will be?
Sure, just as soon as I find where I could make that bet.
Elon takes care of all the drug sniffing in there personally. No need for dogs.
What kind of company has such a bad drug problem that they need to bring in dogs to find it? Absolutely ridiculous.
I’d probably be shooting up junk too if my boss was Elon Musk.
In normal corporate environments I’ve seen people abuse everything from codeine headache tablets to crystal meth.
Not defending Edolf Twitler, I’m just saying it’s not unusual for these environments to be so toxic that people look for ways to manage.
I don’t find the drug use abnormal so much as them bringing in drug sniffing dogs to catch it rather than dealing with it on an individual basis.
Probably less for actually finding drugs than for checking a tickbox on an insurance form for “taking measures to combat drugs” or something. It’s probably just Ricky from HR’s dobie-doodle mix.
Edolf Twitler
that’s the best I’ve seen since Adolf Musk
I don’t think it’s that they had such a rampant drug use problem. I think it’s just that they wanted to appease Uncle Sam so they could keep sucking on that taxpayer teat. Uncle Sam’s a bit of a stickler about such things, especially when it comes to people who build rocket ships.
It’s always projection.
Well yeah. The dude never sleeps.
