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Who would’ve thought? This isn’t going to fly with the EU.
Article 5.3 of the Digital Markets Act (DMA): “The gatekeeper shall not prevent business users from offering the same products or services to end users through third-party online intermediation services or through their own direct online sales channel at prices or conditions that are different from those offered through the online intermediation services of the gatekeeper.”
Friendly reminder that you can sideload apps without jailbreaking or paying for a dev account using TrollStore, which utilises core trust bugs to bypass/spoof some app validation keys, on a iPhone XR or newer on iOS 14.0 up to 16.6.1. (ANY version for iPhone X and older)
Install guide: Trollstore
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Good, charge those gossip wannabies… in the meanwhile I will use Android and I will not pay a flying fuck… LMAO…
Friendly reminder that you can sideload apps without jailbreaking or paying for a dev account using TrollStore, which utilises core trust bugs to bypass/spoof some app validation keys, on a iPhone XR or newer on iOS 14.0 up to 16.6.1. (ANY version for iPhone X and older)
Install guide: Trollstore
Another alternative is SideStore which allows to refresh apps from your phone without a computer. Just a WiFi connection. It has the benefit of working with any ios versions including the latest ones that TrollStore doesn’t support.
Yep, its a better AltStore so only 3 apps unless you are vunerable to MDC. For those without a pc, paying for a signing service like maplesign is an option too.
I’m not sure how this would work in practice. Developers distributing apps independently to be sideloaded wouldn’t be submitting them to Apple to review, and sideloaded code may not even have an identifiable developer to charge.
I suppose Apple could implement some sort of rigid signing system, but I think the EU would see that as just another abuse of power.
As far as I know iPhones have never allowed unsigned code to run.
Yeah, the first operation of every jailbreak was to disable this protection.
Well they would have to allow unsigned code to run under the DMA, wouldn’t they?
No, macOS allows sideloading apps that are still signed by Apple.
You can run unsigned code on macOS. Apple makes it seem scary and dangerous, but it is possible.
Yes, but that’s separate from what I’m talking about.
This is most likely how they’re planning on allowing it. Gatekeeper is the macOS tech they use to keep unsigned code from running yet can be from anywhere on the web.
I don’t know the details of the DMA, it’s definitely possible to provide code-signing to developers that does not go through the app store.
An example of this in practice is Firefox addons. You need to get your extension signed for people to install it, but you can distribute it however. Mozilla of course doesn’t charge for signing though. It’s just to give them the ability to ban an extension found to be malicious.
I’d love to see an apple cuck try and explain this
Apple is protecting the end user. Through charging a fee apple ensures the end user is really sure they want to sideload the app. This both creates more free storage space and helps the user sideload only the best applications… I’m still working on my corporate speech but that’s what I’d imagine them saying
EU, I belive in you!
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Who would’ve thought? This isn’t going to fly with the EU.
Article 5.3 of the Digital Markets Act (DMA): “The gatekeeper shall not prevent business users from offering the same products or services to end users through third-party online intermediation services or through their own direct online sales channel at prices or conditions that are different from those offered through the online intermediation services of the gatekeeper.”
Apple has an annual legal budget of approximately infinity dollars. I assure you they are aware of this and they believe they are in compliance, even if just barely.
If challenged, they will have no problem fighting it — they have nearly as much cash on hand as the entire EU budget.
I hope the EU challenges this, and I hope the EU wins, but Apple isn’t going to be surprised by whatever happens.
Apple has also been known to ignore laws and pay fines for breaking them. The store is a major revenue stream so they might just do that.
Yup. If the only penalty is a fine, and that fine doesn’t scale to the business’ profits? A profitable enough business could simply factor in the fines as a cost of doing business.
Imagine you could make $1000 and only get fined $200 after the fact. No extra penalties. Just a flat $200 fine for every time you violate it. So as long as you expect to be able to top that $200 fine, a business will elect to just pay the fine and continue doing the illegal thing.
If the only penalty is a fine
The regulator has the power to ban sales, so I don’t think that particular “cost of doing business” line applies to this dispute.
There’s the letter and there’s the spirit of the law. Even if Apple has found a brilliant loophole the courts can just say well it’s technically true but you’re still breaking the law nonetheless, lawyer budget be damned.
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The EU court is a Roman court, not an Anglo Saxon court. The spirit of the law is what matters, not the technicalities.
Second, the EU can change the laws that create the outcome they don’t like. By the people, for the people. Apple will play within the EU’s rules or Apple won’t play in the EU.
The fine would be approximately 10% of Apple’s total revenue and the fine increases by 10% every violoation so I doubt that Apple can not accept the regulations.
Unfortunately, Apple has the resources, both legal and financial, to tie that up in the EU courts for decades.
What if I told you one of those two can make new laws?
In one afternoon the Commission+Parliament can change the basis of whatever case Apple wants to fight. And they are up against Vestager - she makes multinational software companies bend the knee twice before lunch.
We’ll see what happens
You’re underestimating what EU can get gone when they’re motivated to get it done.
I sure do love how global justice comes down to which party has more money to piss away rather than what’s right or wrong.
Yup. I’m just gonna sip this coffee while it all burns down.
They will get free publicity and show the users how they stand up to the overreaching government. Their users will eat it up.
So… frontloading?
Apple is doing this thing where legislation applies to them and they just try not following it anyway. Trump is truly influential.
of course Apple plans to charge fees for sideloading, a bunch of scumbags, but fear not, Apple fan boys cult members will regurgitate Apple’s propaganda as gospel
Already happening, just look at some comments
The fanboys make me angrier than Apple. It’s so frustrating to discuss something with someone who is so brainwashed.
think about this: to me, all you really toxic people (including the OP, for shame) against Apple are the ones looking quite brainwashed, culty, back-bitey and very small minded. probably because you are. think about that for a second before you snap reply - there ARE more than just your side to this buddy.
What is your side to this? Can you explain it to me?
A lot of the comments I’ve read who are on apples side, make claims that are not realistic or don’t give any reasons at all for being on apples side.
And Apples file system sucks
Its restricted af, some people in my class don’t even know what a folder is because of their iPhones (gen z for context)
Sorry, can’t be bothered with whatever issue this is.
I’m busy shopping for a North Face tent so I’ll have it to camp in the next time a new ear pod case gets released.
I suppose they can charge to use their own side-loading software, or their alternative app store, but I’m not sure what happens if a third party offers a side-loading platform that doesn’t pay Apple.
I suppose they can just refuse to allow such platforms to exist, but the EU may not feels that satisfies their grievances. Eventually they’re going to have to require side-loading.
I can’t wait to use AI to scam the elderly into side loading bitcoin miners.
scam influencers with lambos
It’s hard to imagine people who buy iPhones care about sideloading. Their priority is the convenience of iMessage and the Apple ecosystem.
I care about sideloading and imessage. If imessage was available on android, I would be using a pixel at the moment. It’s just that I am from the US but don’t live their. So imessage is the easiest way for me to be in touch with 99% of the people I know.
The convenience of… texting?
Lol. Sometimes I feel you ppl just regurgitate what you’ve seen before without realizing it.
The texting thing seems to be something real in the USA.
Classic Apple.
Remember their slogan from back then? “does more, costs less!”
Classic.
Just like when google silently removed their slogan “don’t be evil”.
Just like when google silently removed their slogan “don’t be evil”.
They didn’t just remove it, they changed it to “do good”. I’m not sure what that means to Google but it sort of looks like “implement the neoliberal cyberpunk hellscape no one asked for”
