How many dead Palestinian kids will it take for you to change your vote?
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Not voting for Trump is actually a vote for Kamala
Look kiddo, I would literally vote for a [genocidal] ham sandwich over Trump!
You guys really don’t get that your voting system only leads to two parties. As soon as one of those parties splits up, the other one will literally always win, that’s just a mathematical reality.
It is true that both of these two parties are terrible. However, D is slightly less terrible as R. If you stop voting for D and go for X which is theoretically objectively better, R will always win. So a vote for X is effectively a vote for R.
Yes, if suddenly all D voters would move to X, then X would win. But this is simply not realistic. The only realistic way for change is for the slightly better party of the two to always win, which would make R die out. Then a farther left party will emerge, that might even want to change to ranked choice voting. If not, the whole spiel has to be repeated until D dies out because of never winning.
This is incredibly slow, but slow is how our society changes. Even the French revolution didn’t just suddenly happen, hundreds of years of starting to understand how terrible monarchy was and building the knowledge of alternate systems among the general populace was required. The real change is people gaining more knowledge, gaining a better understanding of reality, themselves.
if dick fucking cheney and enthusiastic support for genocide won’t break you from blue no matter who, what could?
Vote Blue No Matter What They Do
B-b-banger thread
It’s lib scratching time
The ones said that they have to vote against Trump because he’s so mean. Even though Florida is no longer a swing state. Like they get and agree with me that this is an long-running campaign of genocide, they have come to detest the Israelis for their brutality but, Trump winning in 2016 just broke their brains enough that they can’t imagine doing anything but voting for Democrats, no matter how much they resemble the Bush era ghouls they hated.
When you confront them with it, the cognitive dissonance is there, and it presents itself as getting hostile when being confronted with their voting for people currently committing genocide. They try to avoid that contradiction by changing the subject as soon as they can. The TV really makes them think Trump is the source and only problem in this world, even though I’ve told them repeatedly it isn’t the case.
Hell, I remember when we were politically active liberals pre-Trump, and my mother displayed symptoms of what we now call Trump Derangement Syndrome, but, towards John Boehner of all people. She would talk with the same hatred every liberal has for Trump but, towards that guy, of all people, saying he was basically the root of all evil in this country. They always need, I guess, a Bonapartist figure to manifest their negative partisanship towards and I’m at a loss of how to break through.
My dad was the most crushing to hear, since his hatred for Putin as a scapegoat by the neocons for Trump winning, has made him invested in reading about the Ukraine war online. When I told him of my anger towards the Democrats on Gaza, he basically said that in the grand scheme of things, he doesn’t really care since the American political establishment will never change anything on that issue. My takeaway from that was, at least his vote can change whether the orange Putin man is in charge or not. He’s been that disillusioned ever since Bernie lost and showed the electoral system for what it is.
Anyways, we all voted yesterday.
he really is the greatest investment they ever made. they never have to fulfill a campaign promise again.
Or even make any.
The honest answer is that no number would be sufficient.
Maybe I should have put this in /c/doomer
The whole world is /c/doomer now.
They’ve explicitly told us it’s perfectly fine to sacrifice entire demographic groups for the sake of poltical expediency
What the libs have done is create an avenue of least resistance, where the party elites correctly understand they’re free to condemn whole demographics to death to purchase the poltical loyalty of others
This is quite literally the death of solidarity and labor organizing in the United States and there’s no coming back from that
Today it’s Palestinians and immigrants, tomorrow it’s native americans and trans people and on and on until they reach the one demographic they’ve always wanted to dump and destroy; the black working class
This is how fascism in America truly comes about, and so many have already failed what even five years ago would’ve been called the easiest test imaginable
The dems normalized genocide, it’s Joever folks, this is what unplugging the life support of a left tradition looks like
I’ll change my vote when netty gets removed from office and charged with war crimes. Wait, who was he just caught talking with saying the bombings will continue? Ohhh yeah your boy Donnie
No one here is dumb enough to think Likud is the problem
What Likud is absolutely part of the problem.
Right, but they aren’t The Problem. The entire “country” is rotten, top to bottom—Likud are practically centrists in Israel’s Overton Window.
Fair.
I don’t know much about internal Israeli politics, but I do remember seeing polls of Israeli citizens showing the majority supports the genocide and some them think it needs to get worse :(
yeah PART. Remove Bibi and it doesn’t get better. The problem is Israel from the bottom up, the problem is zionism as a project. Overselling Bibi is a liberal zionist talking point and covers for the genocidal acts the entire populace partakes in
Not Bibi, Likud as an institution. They’ve been vital in steering Israeli politics from apartheid towards extermination. The Sharon assassination, which wasn’t done by a Likudnik because someone else got him first, was the last time there was a plausible off ramp of deescalation.
If Palestine ever wins in any capacity part of that is going to require neutralizing Likudniks to whatever extent is feasible.
The comment I was responding to was specifically saying Bibi. But also, no I don’t think Likud should be separated from the rest of Israeli complicity. Likud being destroyed is necessary the same way destroying the NSPD was necessary to destroying the Reich, but I wouldn’t say the Nazi party was the central evil that must be destroyed in that fight. That sentiment borders on clean Wehrmacht. All Israeli parties are genocidal and must be neutralized for Palestine to win. People like we are talking about use Bibi and Likud as a scapegoat.
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Ohhh yeah your boy Donnie
Everyone here is a communist
I’m a Marxist you idiot
I believe everyone in this instance wants Netanyahu, Trump, and Harris to get the wall, so I think you got your wires crossed at some point.
I have a really funny idea for what we can do with the walls being constructed along Mexico’s border.
Ohhh yeah your boy Donnie
I, too, am incredibly stupid
Literally one of the biggest threads in Hexbear history was when Trump caught COVID and the entire instance jumped in to wish he died painfully with a tube down his throat unable to do the one thing he loves most: hear his own voice ramble loudly and incoherently
“Your boy Donnie” lmao
And who is doing everything they can to support Mileikowsky? Who is giving Bibi as much money as they can get away with?
Your argument is that Trump will work closely with the entity. Kamala works closely with them already. So… What point did you believe you were making here?
The only difference between Kamala and Donald Trump is that Trump is rude on twitter.
I know this is hard to fathom, but they’re actually both pieces of shit and leftists don’t support either of them.Just say you don’t give a shit palestinians are being genocided, at least be honest.
Wait
Ohhh yeah
Fuck off back to Reddit, you insufferably smarmy Redditor.
We’re literally a mass of marxist-leninists, a few anarchists, and several thirdworld maoists you insufferable cracker piece of shit; please choke on the next thing you stuff down your yanqui gullet
I’m sure we’ve got a trot here somewhere too, they’re just too embarrassed to admit it
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someone make this shit stop10 more days 🙃
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
First time a tragedy, second time a farce. My mom has been sending me these pre-written harangues to vote for Bomb-ala and this is all I can think of. The Democrats have already thrown Palestine under the bus. They have already thrown the people, families, and children at the southern border under the bus. Do you honestly think they are going to care about queers when it’s no longer expedient? Seriously?
