- Talk to your union
- If you don’t have a union, form one
- If no one else cares, get a new job trucking
As much as others may hate it, hexbear has actually pinned great sources to start your own union.
Hexbear has a lot of good things, it’s just it’s users are sometimes a pain.
What can I do?
Varies wildly.
Some people are in unions, others “at will” employment.
This is something to ask coworkers and hopefully a union rep.
No union…
What country?
Canada
Teamsters Canada? They have a freight division: https://teamsters.ca/about/union-profile/
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HARD BRAKE DETECTED!
Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do. “Tattling” programs are quickly becoming a staple of any sort of logistical jobs. Companies will parade it around as if it keeps people safe, or it protects the honest employees. It’s designed to give them reasons to get rid of you.
You speak the truth.
I know it sucks. And corps are playing with the automation line. They don’t want to replace too many jobs with automation because that will trigger the need for UBI to off-set the amount of jobless people no longer driving the economy. So, instead they’ve resorted to “churn and burn” practices. Things that allow them to burn people out and toss them aside and make it the workers fault.
Yeah, in a world where we are short of drivers and they are hiring questionable people, they are looking for reasons to fire you.
Doubly funny if OP is American, where you simply don’t need reasons to fire people.
This is true in every state but Montana.
Right to work is very misunderstood online. It’s not the freebie everyone seems to think it is.
If you terminate sometime without documented cause, you can’t deny their unemployment claims and must keep paying them in all 50 states.
The myth that they can fire you with no recourse is something they want everyone to believe so that nobody files for unemployment. when they’re entitled to it.
That’s definitely going to change in this political climate. There will be states where the head of the unemployment insurance will just stop paying at Trump’s direction and ignore court orders. MMW
I program tattling programs for non-logistical industry. It does let us know if people mistreat equipment or even break speed limits. But what pays the bills is predictive maintenance or responding to reactive maintenance needs more quickly. We can reduce scheduled maintenance for longer and prevent failed parts from causing too much damage.
Sure it’s a different industry but generally employees are expensive to hire and even more expensive to lose. Losing a job because of a number in an algorithm that decides to tattle is rare unless that employee is a total piece of shit that we were looking to sack for other reasons. Usually its a “Dude samsara told us you blew the speed limit in this town and we’re going to get fined out the wazoo and you’ll lose your DOT license. Dont do it again”. If they do stupid shit again and get caught by the police, they might lose their DOT status for some number of months and be unemployable until it is restored. So really it is a safeguard to prevent that from happening in the first place and helps them KEEP their jobs longer.
More than that. It’s designed first to enrich insurance, AI, and other business interests, to drive down wages and eventually replace humans with autonomous vehicles. Irobot.
I would get another job. During your exit interview, make sure they know this is the sole reason you are leaving.
its trucking they dont care (:
The lady has sung.
They don’t care until they don’t have any truckers. Then they care.
If its a big company like old dominion, they likely wont give a fuck ever, but my company always has trouble keeping hold of truckers and they really do give a shit about the churn.
There’s an oversupply of ununionized trucker labor, so they’ll likely just replace you until union strikes cause a labor shortage.
I know people at a freightline company. They have retirement parties for 25-year workers about 2-3 times a year that I hear about.
There are good trucking outfits out there. you Canadian?
D’ya wanna be?
D’ya wanna be?
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
It’s trucking, you should stop dismissing a union
Are you talking about a commercial truck or you personal vehicle? If it’s a truck you drive as your job, you’re probably screwed. I’d be pissed as hell, but I don’t imagine there’s much you can do other than quit. If it’s your private vehicle, let me know the company selling it so I never buy one of their vehicles.
company truck
That sucks. I’m not sure what options you have. Are you union?
no
Why the fuck not?
not everyone has that option
If you build it… They will come…
See previous comment.
It will be interesting when they can’t keep strong workers because they’ve scared the shit out of them.
You form a union and bargain with your employer. Thats about it though
Yea give up to A.I. that’s the only choice.
Pretty sure literally nobody here said that
Try to fight your company without organisation and you will be giving up your job. Look up the laws wherever you are and form a union. Be smart about it though and dont get caught in the act of forming it.
I think you misunderstand what a union does.
Nope, refuse.
Don’t be a pussy.
that’s what your company wants you to believe
Or seek greener non-ai-infested pastures
Let me explain why companies are doing things like this. They’ll make unreasonable demands and when you make mistakes as a result, the AI will capture it and they’ll use that in court to blame you as the employee and try to hold you personally liable. This is their way of saying you’re nothing more than a liability to them. Fuck this system. I’d start demanding a new employment agreement to protect yourself.
I feel ya, mate. I’ve got the same thing in my company vehicle. It absolutely irritates the shit out of me that anyone above my level of the hierarchy can look at me any time they want.
I point the inside camera up except when I piss in a bottle (:
Ha, I wish! They’ve fired people already for merely obscuring the camera for a few seconds. There is a hilarious clip of someone reaching up with a pair of scissors and getting the wire, but I like having a steady job with insurance too much. Maybe when I get tired of this shit and get hired somewhere else.
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This is becoming more common in a variety of jobs. I work in tech, and have heard from colleagues about their experiences with nanny software. Without a union, your best bet is malicious compliance. I would start looking for hacker communities and posting there, because there can be simple but non-obvious ways to circumvent controls while still seeming to comply, which protects your job.
This is the best option as I see it…
Find Miles Dyson
Alright, so you probably can’t get rid of it, but you can make it look like it’s defective. Make it look like it’s sending way too many false positives. Find somewhere where you can get away with making obvious mistakes and then make like fifty of them in a row. “Why would I, an intelligent human being, just sit in the middle of an empty street doing donuts in an 18-wheeler for 10 straight minutes? I have a job to do,” you say. If you got one of those “constantly monitoring everything you say” things Amazon tried rolling out, just start spouting random gibberish. Some pencil-pusher at HQ sees a transcript come back that just says “reptile shoestring meridian front sawdust henway ball Amtrak septuagint ladder correct horse battery staple java thorpe 2 Chainz” over and over for like 40 pages, worst-case scenario he’s not gonna read it, best-case scenario he’s gonna think the company’s paying way too much for shit that don’t work.
so your recommendation is sabotage of company resources and negligent operation of a transport truck
You’d have to get everyone with the system to do the same, otherwise it looks like 1 unit is bad. After replacing it, they’ll know something’s up if one dudes unit is putting out gibberish
These things are smarter / dumber than that. They talk directly to the engine and transmission with canbus to record operating conditions. And they have a dedicated GPS antenna. Then they generate a live report from that data that is sent over a dedicated cell connection.
Talking nonsense to it or driving in circles wont fool it. I recommend physical sabotage that mimics installation failure.
Find/make a recording the equivalent of lorem ipsum. Turn it on just loud enough for the system to hear.
Also, play death metal at a low volume. Or Barney.
Get some earplugs, then out this on repeat for hours:
Fuck dangerously earplugged or headphoned drivers.
Deaf people drive just fine
Trucks are much more dangerous, having all senses available becomes much more important. There’s a reason why cars must have working horns
Deaf people compensate with a lifetime of experience.
They drive well enough, but less well. Why be hard of hearing if you don’t have to be? With no slight of the (big-D) Deaf intended.
Fuck drivers that rely on hearing to drive safely.
I suppose sirens and horns are irrelevant to you?
Not really.
Here emergency vehicles only put their sirens on for a few seconds when they’re stuck behind some oblivious idiot who hasn’t seen them coming and pulled over.
How’s are rarely used to alert you to something you need to be aware of.
Even so, noise cancelling headphones suck at blocking that type of sound. It mitigates ongoing noises like engine sound, but not something with changing pitch like a horn or siren.
Horns are ABSOLUTELY used to alert you to something you need to be aware and prevent accidents all the time. Just because assholes like to misuse them doesn’t change the reasoning on why they are required on all vehicles.
Sirens are specifically useful when you are around a blind corner and an emergency vehicle is coming toward you. Or when you otherwise don’t have line of sight with the stoving lights.
Earplugs don’t descriminate they just dull your senses. Noise canceling headphones are to a lesser extent a handicap.
Death Metal at low volume… how?
I’d honestly just put on some Scandinavian death metal and let the voice recognition software pick up gibberish English trying to anglify Norwegian and Swedish.
Correct horse battery staple… I see you xkcd reference.
https://xkcd.com/936henway
Wait. What’s a henway? #bout5lbs
A well placed magnet might help…
Ive been saying we need to be developing consumer grade emps before its too late
Btw these little DIY 2.4 GHz jammers are also very handy to have just in case. As long as you get them out the way before you set off the EMP generator 😅
radio jammers like this are federally illegal in the US and possession of one is a massive felony. That’s if anyone notices and you get caught, but just a heads up.
Oh good to know. Pretty sure owning them is fine in Germany but distribution or actually using them will still get you in trouble.
yeah owning one alone is unlikely to get you caught, and you can probably come up with excuses (“it’s just an SDR not a jammer!”) but they’re extremely heavily restricted over here.
They phone home over cell. Usually 4g LTE with relatively high gain antennas. You wont jam it with that.
No that one was just meant as a general lifehack 😅
A lifehack that might wind you up in federal prison. Breaking company equipment is one thing and it might cost you your job and a small settlement. That’s the kind of advice I don’t mind giving. I do generally try not to tell people to commit felonies.
This is for emergencies, during riots and such because it can take down drones and disrupt communication. I think people should figure out for themselves if their use case is morally permissible and worth the risk. I’m just sharing info that’s readily available. Also owning this is legal where I live and I’m not even sure we have a word for felony.
Your options (pick any combination you please):
- do whatever you can do to make it more bearable in the short term (turn down volume of AI warnings, whatever else you can configure)
- Unionize
- Bargain with your company/Negotiate your contracts
- Get hired by a new company that gives a shit about their employees
- Become an owner-operator
- start a trucking firm with a bunch of other drivers that are fed up with that bullshit
- Find a different kind of job that doesn’t require AI to surveil and harass you.
Those are good options but I get paid 32.75 per hour during the week and 40.75 on weekends and its a pretty cushy job. Hard to just get new job.
When i was fed up with the bosses in my cushy job, I made the job more cushy by starting my independent company. Same work, more money, no assholes treating me like shit and i learned from that. Now my colleges also have a cushy job, with a competent, nice boss.
You hiring? 😎
Not currently but it’s a software dev company anyways. We have to logistics software though. And not the asshole kind.
Why is organizing not an option? Seems like you’ve ignored every reply here regarding unions, when in reality it’s the only possible way to ever get rid of the AI (and probably get you better pay and benefits)
In the end, your mental and physical health should always come before the job. Money isn’t that nice if you are stressed wreck. You should still look for other work just so you at least have some options if it ever gets too awful dealing with all the bullshit your current work forces on you. It’s probably not going to get much better and any solution regarding disabling/mitigating the current surveillance is likely temporary at best.
Just try to do it in such way your current employer doesn’t know about it, just in case they get uppity about it. So use only devices managed by yourself for it and dont talk about it with others working for same employer.
They probably know that it’s a cushy job amd want to replace you with someone who will work for less.
Find a company that’s already unionized or form a union within your current company.
You might also tell them that the AI is distracting because it’s constantly talking, which is likely true anyway.
