I was in Paris just after the Olympics ended and I don’t think I smelled any tobacco at all. Marseille? Cigarettes everywhere. I couldn’t even enjoy eating at the cafés.
The prolific smoking in France really hits home for me when I was subjected to a cloud of smoke on a train platform. I can’t remember the last time my personal space was so violated waiting for a train.
Protests bigger than anti-Trump ones in the US incoming in 3…2…1…
French smokers about to burn down their government buildings in protest
Good!
If you can’t smoke outdoors and you can’t smoke indoors, where can you smoke?
Anywhere where it doesn’t bother other people.
In designated smoking spots and in your own home. I’d extend it to vapers. If I can smell the shit you blow out your lungs then it’s very probable it’s in my lungs. Didn’t sign up for that. Personal freedom reaches up to the point where you infringe on the freedom of others (in this care my freedom to not have to breathe your smoke)
There are a lot of smells that you are expected to deal with, it seems like kind of a reach. I consider most parfums thoroughly unpleasant but I dont expect it to be made illegal.
That being said, I’m okay with this because of the littering aspect.
The smell of perfume doesn’t cause cancer. Second-hand smoke is proven to do so.
You must have a hard time being anywhere close to a car if you think you are getting cancer because of a 2 second wiff from some guys cig on a beach. Seems like exaggeration, cancer isnt some lightning bolt that hits you the moment you get a hint of something bad near you.
cancer isnt some lightning bolt that hits you the moment you get a hint of something bad near you.
You’re correct, it isn’t a lightning bolt. This goes against your statement, not with it. It’s an accumulation of increased risk, and eventually it just happens (or doesn’t). The more things that increase your risk the higher the odds. You don’t just get cancer because someone smoked near you. You have an increased risk of cancer based on how much you’ve been around your entire life, and everything else that contributes. Reducing risk means reducing as many contributors as possible.
You must have a hard time being anywhere close to a car if you think you are getting cancer because of a 2 second wiff from some guys cig on a beach.
One thing is bad, so we can’t do anything about another thing? “People are being killed by cars, but we can’t work to reduce that because people are dying from heart disease!” How silly.
The impact from those few odd times someone is smoking near you in an open areas is not proportional to the risk you are attributing to it imo. I am bringing up cars to highlight that.
Yes, we need to ban cars as well, pretty much all internal combustion. Unfortunately there are technical reasons that will take a while, but we’re making progress. Even worse my country has turned it political with regressives gleefully trying to turn back what progress we’ve made
Let’s ban cars too
I can get behind this.
Cars don’t make me choke, but good point! I’d ban them from the cities as well.
Air and particulate pollution from cars is actually a pretty significant factor in respiratory health.
I wouldn’t be so sure that my formaldhyde perfume isn’t carcinogenic, and that hasn’t been banned anywhere.
Oh FFS, yeah, cancer for people living in the same house. Getting a whiff of cigarette smoke isn’t doing jack shit to you.
True, but at least vaping isn’t going to hurt you like secondhand smoke, and vapers don’t throw butts on the ground.
Lots of waste from single use vapes.
mostly because they don’t extract the lithium ion cells
There have been studies that show vaping to be just as dangerous, if not more so that “traditional cigarettes”
But what about “seconhand smoke”, if I may call it that?
Seconhand smoke from vaping is also dangerous:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4565991/ https://www.healthline.com/health/second-hand-vape#effects
TL;DR: Mainly it’s nicotine exposure, but vape smoke has been found to also contain lead, formaldehyde, & toluene.
That’s not what that study says.
False
Really? The only negative effects I’ve heard of were the “popcorn lung” from unsafe additives and obviously too much nicotine. Do you have a link?
Evali was ONE event that happened because they used E vitamin as base instead of PG. It’s coco oil iirc and it just keep bubbling up like soap.
In your own home thats not around anyone else? Nobody wants to breath in your cancer smoke except retards.
I don’t smoke, but I also don’t want to live in a world where you can’t.
I want to live in a world where people don’t force their vices on bystanders. I don’t give a shit what you do to yourself but it matters who you do it in front of. (Smoking in a house with children should be a crime)
Everyone forces their vice on bystanders in some capacity. I consider censorship and Puritanism to be a vice that is forced in nearly every aspect of society. It’s moral fetishism.
Between the two, I’d rather see someone smoke a cigarette than be judgmental towards others.
Judginess doesn’t cause asthma attacks.
They’re free to smoke when and where they’re not harming anyone.
Like outside more than 10 feet from a doorway? Surely 10 feet is enough to change your walking path and save yourself from a waft.
If you’re a smoker you may be surprised at the distance your smoke impacts other people. The smell, the cloud, The ash extends far beyond a mere ten feet. Where I live the law is 20 feet from an entrance and that’s just not enough.
The problem is you can’t change your path from an entrance because you may have to enter and exit. The problem is further that multiple smokers tend to congregate at the mandated distance so the smoke is much worse. It needs to be significantly farther.
But then it’s worse again in a city area, where the sidewalks are also a bottleneck. I can’t always cross the street to avoid smokers but frequently have to pass right next to them. And I’d like to point out they are the ones inflicting their vice/addiction on others. It should not be my responsibility to get out of the way of their bad habit when their reasonable accommodation would not inflict it on others
My point is that it is within the realm of normal annoyances from other people and there should be a reasonable expectation of both politeness from the smoker and tolerance from others. A strong perfume, a fart, body odor, spicy food, and many other gasses can be encountered at any point from a similar distance, but nobody suggests punishing people for those.
I find the desire to over legislate things due to personal preferences about how other people behave is a bigger and more annoying vice than smoking.
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Guess it’s time to quit. :)
This just in, vaporizer sales spike in France.
Also in the news, French citizens are vaping in restricted areas regardless of regulations.
I don’t smoke.
I enjoy spreading my ass cheeks and feeling the sun on my anus. It really takes the edge off, ya know what I mean? If I can’t do it in the park or the school playground, where the fuck can I get my sunnies?
School playground might be a bit much, but I unironically support your right to sun your anus in the park. We all have them, we shouldn’t be ashamed.
Exactly. Those damn kids don’t deserve to be protected. Little shitters
Anybody who thinks they are breathing clean air just because they banned smoking is kidding themselves. At least the cigarette makes the smoker happy and causes minimal damage to passersby when smoked outside—meanwhile the massive air pollution that companies emit is shortening lifespans of every breather across the globe.
Sure, don’t smoke inside, whatever, but the criminalization and exclusion of addictive behavior is bullshit, in my opinion, especially when it comes in the form of pearl clutching “for the children”.
Would be if asshole that smoke weren’t also promoting other harmfull chemicals as-well but hey, we can get to those next bucko.
So where do you fall on the natural tobacco brands?
this is like the only thing a government has done ‘for the children’ that actually benefits anyone at all
Let’s do both.
Most restaurants in France have outdoor seating. Finally can eat without smelling that foul shit.
Just because it doesn’t solve the whole problem, doesn’t mean it’s not a good step forward.
I’m really encouraged that except for regressives in the us, the world seems to finally be turning toward renewable energy, EVs, high speed rail. Even in the US, cities are starting to build transit! There’s a couple more big steps. If we keep taking steps it will turn into moving forward!
Europeans should get a new hobby, smoking is gross and you smell like burnt shit
I live in a country with a strict outdoor smoking ban and I love it.
There are dedicated smoking areas for people to smoke outdoors, but they are really small and cramped with smokers.
It’s actually really nice, you never see or smell people smoking unless you wonder too close to the designated smoking areas which are often really out of the way.
The streets are not really clean here, but at least it’s not cigarette butts. Even things like vapes need to be smoked in a designated area, but sometimes people do it on the street anyway.
Nice. I think our only real outdoor restriction is “within 20’ of an entrance”. But it’s not enough.
That reminds me I need to complain to one of my favorite restaurants. They have an ash tray outside so people are less likely to litter and it is more than 20’ from the entrance. However it’s too close. When the patio is open, the smokers are just across the sidewalk and it ruins the meal
For beaches, and parks, and hiking trails, and places where smoking is usually already banned (at least here), sure.
Standing outside my companies building and taking my smoke break should be fair game.
There are no kids around a random office building at 1:30pm on a Tuesday.
Sure, as long as you’re not inflicting it on people trying to get in and out of the building.
Be aware that smoking has a very strong smell that you may not be entirely aware of since you’re around it all the time, plus you’re (hopefully) not asthmatic. You may be surprised how far away that should be
I usually hit a weed vape which has a much milder smell and less irritants (I make my own carts using live resin and pyur thinner, which is about the cleanest Liquidizer you can get.)
That being said I usually park my car across the lot from the building, and blow it out the window.
Yeah, on the one hand I don’t like vapes as an enabler of bad habits, especially as edibles are so much more available now. Anything you breathe in is going to have a negative impact on your long term health. However vaping means you’re not inflicting your vice on anyone else and you’re avoiding most of the long term health impact of breathing in burnt leaves and chemicals. Vapes still stink but so much less and I can’t really claim second hand smoke danger
But so much the better that you show that courtesy to your fellow humans. Thank you
Shame it doesn’t limit outside smoking in designated areas only. Still an unexpected win, it’s good when most other laws voted recently were just dangerous anti science shit.
We’ve learned as a species that banning people from having bad things doesnt work since other bad people will make their own knockoffs and sell them, so we make using said bad things as PAINFULL as possible to protect everyone else. Win-win go fuck yourselves smoking retards.
“To protect children” is a stupid reason, but banning smoking anywhere outside of your own home, or spaces expressly dedicated to it, on the other hand, is how it should always have been.
I’m from the UK where it’s at least banned indoors.
Visiting European pubs/bars where people still smoke is nuts and my clothes always stink after
Yeah, went to Spain, and woke up with a sore throat and really smelly clothes. Took me back to before the ban and realised how good that was for everyone
I was in Vegas a couple weeks back. Same problem.
I don’t know where you went, but since 2011 it’s been illegal to smoke indoors in Spain. It’s still legal to smoke on outdoor seating in bars/restaurants, but fortunately that’s going to be made illegal as well.
It was illegal but not enforced at all or followed by the locals, so not followed by anybody else either. During the day was fine but in the evening and night it was like there was no law
Let me guess, Mallorca? I’m guessing the tourist places are more lax in that aspect, because there is no way you can smoke inside where I live, the pubs can get a very big fine if you do.
The same ban exists in France and most other EU countries. And the fines/administrative closures are quite stringent.
“To protect children” is a stupid reason
Just depends on what sells the legislation. People can be very entitled but they might bend if it’s to “protect the children”
Smoking should be banned. Full stop. When my neighbours smoke I can’t even open my window, I have asthma. The smell attaches to the walls. There is also my kitchen where I cook and I can’t enjoy my little place outside because it constantly smells cigarette because they smoke regulary.
It works in this case. I believe developing lungs are more susceptible to damage plus children have more life ahead of them to live with damaged lungs. Most importantly we want them to have the opportunity to live without the lung damage we already have.
And of course the practical reason is they already can’t smoke. You’re not taking anything away from them
There is an absolute metric shitload of proven scientific evidence that smoke inhalation causes lasting damage to developing lungs and hearts. Do you deny this scientific evidence?
I took it to mean that we should protect everything and everybody, not just the children. I could be wrong in my interpretation.
Replace “children” with “non-consenting people” and you’re getting close. Children are the most non-consenting people in society and deserve special protection accordingly.
I’d argue the less prevalent smoking is in public the less likely children will turn to smoking in the future. makes sense to me
Beaches is going wayy too far imo
How ? People are garbage and throw their butts into the sand… Alot of human garbage throw their plastic and shit too, while dogs aren’t allowed on beaches? 🤦 This is a good thing + every plastic bottle or trash shouldn’t be allowed either !
I quit smoking a year ago but I would totally agree on the Beach part. However, restaurant on an outside table? Nah, nah… That’s going to far !
Anyway smoking is bad, its very expensive, you smell bad and it doesn’t bring you anything positive.
Butts, not buds, btw
Oh crap! I’ve been putting trash in my ears all those years!
I have so many questions.
Yes the garbage is a good point but I was mainly thinking that the smoke was the point of interest. Being bad for children. Idk. But taking away people’s freedom of smoking is also terrible. I mean, some people KNOW it’s bad but just don’t WANT to give it up either. Perhaps a small group, but they’re still people. That’s my two cents.
So the only people that get to enjoy dining outside are smokers? Nah nah that’s going too far.
They wanna smoke? GTFO of the entire eating area away from the entrance and suck their cancer stick there.
I feel like it depends on the beach. Haven’t been to French one’s, but I’d bet there were some touristy ones that get slammed with people. Those make sense for this. Now, some of the quieter more locals only kinda beaches that people are able to spread out more, that’s probably fine to keep… but that’s going to be a hard distinction to make clear rules on.
Good i hope more countries adopt this. Türkiye is terrible for this, lovely country and people but there are smokers almost everywhere.
To protect children, meanwhile the soil is filled with cancer-inducing products pumped away illegally by big chemistry plants. In belgium and netherlands we can barely eat our own produce thanks to this. When are we gonna ban them??
GOOD point. They shouldn’t ban cigarettes until everything else bad is also banned.
They shouldn’t ban cigarettes.
They should ban phillip morris and co who manifacture even more harmful tabacco to turn everybody into an addict.
There’s always one. Always fucking one.
But they shouldn’t ban anything else bad unless everything bad is banned. Fuck we can’t ban shit
yeah also ban those… how does all that affect this exactly?
Ban children!?
