i often see people posting pbotos of some landscape or other and people commenting how beautiful it is… and I’m like “there’s a fucking road through the middle!”
i assume they just don’t see it, like the person in a gorilla suit on the sidewalk that people don’t see… speaking of which
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/05/optical-illusions-see-world-perception
Riddle me this: if there are no cars, how will we pay auto insurance companies and speeding ticket fines?
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
“Why don’t kids go outside anymore?”
I had this same thought last year when I drove through SLC on my way to Wyoming’s national parks.
It’s a huge missed opportunity for a college town like Orem.
“Well in those days Mars was just a dreary, uninhabitable wasteland - much like Utah - but unlike Utah it was eventually made livable”
Yeah, I’m not sure you could pay me enough to live in Provo.
The notion of having this many lanes in a built up area is insane to me.
We don’t even have that many lanes on our biggest highways in my country…
It’s part of the instinct to cover every possible area with parking space.
“Impulse,” maybe, but “instinct,” no. It’s important to always remember that car-dependency was not a natural or inevitable consequence of “progress” or modern technology, but rather the result of very deliberate government policy. Development that happens “naturally” (in the absence of zoning laws and FHA loan guidelines) does not look like this.
You may say that, but I’m pretty sure that most north american infants develop the urge to construct an eight lane stroad surrounded by empty parking lots, even before they take their first step.
BUS ONLY
No busses.
I mean most bus lanes are empty most of the time, that’s kinda the point, to give buses an otherwise empty lane.
Bus lanes are like bike lanes: they look a lot emptier than they actually are, in terms of throughput of people per hour.
That’s the problem, the buses should be constant, maybe we could hook them all together and form like a long line of them.
You’re thinking of a train, which would be terribly inefficient if it had to drive 30 feet, stop, drive 30 feet, stop. Drive 30 feet, stop.
Would be much better if they weren’t connected, and instead stopped at timed intervals, with a printed schedule to let you know what time to be there.
You know…like a bus.
Why not a tram? Get the best of both worlds.
Salt Lake City has a few of those! They’re pretty great
Yeah but then you have to be in Salt Lake City, the shear concentration of Mormons is enough to make me sick.
“RAILROAD
No train!”—You
I don’t know how it works in high-falutin’ coastal cities nor yurop, since I’m just a flyover, but in my parts there’s a lot more road than there is bus, and not just on the big routes, but on all of 'em. In fact, I’ve never even seen a bus route where there was even so much as half as many feet of bus as there was of road. Based on your comment, I take it that your city runs a bumper-to-bumper infinite loop train of several thousand buses like a gigantic, diesel-powered, horizontal paternoster lift?
Now, my comment’s intent was more jovial than that. I was noting it because of the volume of cars and multiple lanes juxtaposed nicely with the empty bus lane. It’s a long view down an 8-9 lane road. There’s not a bus to be seen on the horizon. A snapshot that provided unintended commentary.
Extremely triggering commentary, apparently, for which I do fully regret.
Even driving a car, I hate these types of development. They’re ugly as hell, annoying to navigate, and they only get more clumsy as the surrounding areas become population dense.
i always like to say that america is specifically designed to be miserable for everyone, the nordics are what it looks like when you actually design for cars, and the netherlands is convenient for everyone.
My grandparents used to live just a few miles from here.
Where’s this? I want to go to there.
Orem, Utah, got it. Thanks!
No one thought this. The problem is not that one person thought this was best but that the system is set up such that each individual is incentivized to make choices that collectively result in what you see here.
You have Carillion Square on the left there. Fitting.
George Carlin.
@Davriellelouna I agree that these type of cities are really ugly, but, to be honest, if this was a European type of a city, those mountains in the distance would be mostly obscured by the buildings. And that would still be better than these ridiculous wide roads.
If Utah had average European level density, they’d be surrounded by that much more natural beauty.
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