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Oh look, it’s yet another one of those socialist <-> Trump “anything but the status quo” crossover voters that neoliberal Democrats deny exist. Tell me again about how Bernie couldn’t have won and it was essential to laser-focus on the “moderates.”
Mamdani showed us what works. If the Democrats don’t listen it’s their fault if they lose
Just replace your "if"s with "when"s and you’ve got a solid prediction of the future
The fascist facilitation party will not be taking suggestions. Neoliberal “centrism” is a core component of the fascist coup.
But we’ll all pay the price, just like we are now.
Centrists need to hold their noses
Wong. An immigrant, or at least the descendant of. They’re so quick to pull up the ladder.
Of course! Do you know who was also an immigrant? Mary Anne MacLeod who was married to, and had children with, Fred Trump who was himself a first-generation American.
Aren’t most US Americans immigrants if you just go back in time long enough?
Hell, even Native Americans must’ve immigrated somewhen.
It’s all about ‘I got mine, fuck you!’ attitude.Yea. All of us except the Natives, and even then if you want to be even more pedantic they migrated here too.
Colonization and immigration are meaningfully different though
I hate how it can take literally having your choices fuck you over to get some people to change.
I despise how more people have their choices fuck them over and then double, triple, and quad down on them.
I think what’s really sad about Trumpism and similar surges of right wing support in other countries is that I get where it’s coming from — many of these people were already thoroughly fucked over by things they had no choice over. And then they’re so desperate for change that they vote for things that fuck them over even harder. We need more politicians like Mamdani
Edit: typo
Shirley Wong isn’t much of a critical thinker, it seems.
More likely she grew up in an environment where this type of thinking was normalized, and to think otherwise was met with social consequences. Outside of a few breakout individuals, most have to be taught early not to take what they’re told for granted.
For her, it’s just who ever most recently said a thing she liked vs who who ever is in charge and can be blamed for all the things she doesn’t like. She’s probably never met a government official she couldn’t blame for a cloud blocking her sunlight, and never met a politician that lies if the things they’re saying sound nice.
PS. That’s not aimed at Mamdani, just Shirley Wong and those who behave like her.
It’s almost like conservatives have spent decades chipping away at education specifically so that people wouldn’t have critical thinking skills and could be treated like cattle.
She’s 70 so it would have to have happened 50+ years ago to have an effect here
I mean, the Department of Education didn’t exist 50 years ago so 🤷
She seems pretty critical of immigrants, does that count?
In her defense, she’s been Wong most of her life.
white people resist making puns off Chinese last names challenge (impossible)
Shirley it’s impossible
Don’t call me Shirley!
Meanwhile, Vietnamese people are like “I Nguyen”.
Isn’t the “g” silent? But what about the name “Ng?” It’s pretty baffling to me.
Internet guy not assuming all people on the internet are white challenge (impossible (you will lose))
To be fair there are people out there named Dung. How the hell are we supposed to just overlook that!?
I went to school with a kid whose last name was Homo. This was the 90s in a culturally cloistered part of the US - at least back then - so the kid never heard the end of it. He changed his surname after graduation.
Oh that poor, poor kid.
So that’s bad but calling someone a Karen is ok?
It’s not surprising…
When “moderates” run one party, the other party goes further in the other direction to compensate.
So when neoliberals took the Dem party to the right. And people stopped getting helped by them, they turned to the only other option.
Biden and Kamala doubling down and insisting that everything was great made that even worse.
Because for the vast amount of Americans, shit is not ok.
It was harder to believe Biden/Kamala lying that everything was fine than it was to believe Trump’s lies about whose fault it was. To a lot of people what mattered is trump admitted shit needed to be fixed, and Biden/Kamala couldn’t (or wouldn’t) do that
Democrats spent four years fixing shit and the American public fell for lies from the guy who wrecked most of it.
There’s no way to fix that kind of stupidity.
Democrats spent four years fixing shit
That’s not how the vast majority of Americans viewed 2020-2024…
Watching Mamdani interview Trump voters really woke me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7FcVCYqQNs
People can’t see past the tip on their nose and vote on what’s in their wallet today. I’ve had people tell me they voted for President by comparing their tax returns.
The BBB is so much worse than we’re talking about. A lot of American’s will get a few hundred, maybe $2,000, more back and say, “That Trump fella’s the man for me!”
Yep. Which is why Biden backing out of those Covid relief checks was stupid.
Republicans don’t give a fuck about balancing the budget, everything Biden spent on social projects would have been less money for the shit trump is doing today.
That’s my whole point, we need a Dem president that will overwhelming help Americans rather than a cold calculating capitalist whose aim is to help just enough to get re-elected.
Moderate policy is not effective and it never has been. The Clinton years rode the dotcom boom and claimed it was because of backwards ass policy and it took the DNC 30 years to realize, luckily they did a couple months ago when voting for chair.
Biden still owes me $600
and the American public fell for lies from the guy who wrecked most of it.
I don’t have a high opinion of the majority of Americans right now.
Well, it doesn’t matter what your opinion of them is…
This is (pretty much) a democracy so what the majority (of states) wants is what matters.
And they don’t believe the turtles pace of 80 year old neoliberals is fast enough.
We can stomp our feet and call them names, or we can push for progressives willing to fix shit fast enough that it has a noticeable result to even the average American…
Don’t forget, that’s always been an option.
Americans have consistently shown they don’t want a progressive or socialist.
You’re going to point out Mamdani and I’m going to point out he hasn’t won yet.
You’re going to
Realize I’m talking to a less than day old alt of an account I probably blocked a year ago…
Have fun moderating one of the fedivers’s only conservative communities!
I’m sure we’ve talked within the last month but yes I’ve moved to piefed instead of lemmy.
They get ratfucked. They’re really popular actually. Look at mamdani
You’re going to point out Mamdani and I’m going to point out he hasn’t won yet.
If progressives are so popular why is Sanders and AOC the only ones in their party?
Yes and their unawareness of employment numbers going up, prices stabilizing, companies being prosecuted for price fixing and profiteering, consumer rights being strengthened, unions being strengthened, etc, is in large part the fault of the media (and yes a fair bit fault of the party who couldn’t tell anybody what they were doing).
Things were getting better, and people’s view of the economy ended up being extremely wildly distorted from the real numbers by the end, people were fearful over nothing because media boosted the fear campaign from Republicans.
Yes and their unawareness
You can blame millions of people for not taking a slightly better choice, or devote your energy to making sure their next choice is overwhelmingly easier.
One makes you feel superior to others, the other makes life better for everyone.
One is a co.plete and utter waste of time, the other literally saves lives.
Which one do you want to pick?
So voting Trump saves lives, because in the next election…
I think you replied to the wrong comment.
No I replied to your comment which implied you should not vote for democrats because they sick, but you should work to make people’s their next choice easier.
To me that equals causing a Trump win and then claiming that saves lives. If I misunderstood, you might want to be more clear in how you word your comment.
Weather it was Trump’s criminality, COVID, or Palestine flubbed the big questions of his time
More like Surely Wrong, amirite?
This is the most hilarious comment in the thread. I appreciate a good pun!
A lot of people will just support the populist in the race regardless of their ideology or whether their proposed policies make any sense.
“yes, i voted to suffer, but you must understand, it made people i hate suffer too”
his support for education and affordable housing.
WTF? When has Trump ever said anything even close to that?Edit: I can’t read.
That’s not what she’s saying in that sentence. “…referring to Mamdani.”
Oh yeah, I missed that. I’m still a bit groggy.
who has time to finish reading the first sentence before commenting?
who has time to finish reading
Finish reading what???
What’s that about the people of Finland?
This is good.
Odds are she 8s the kind of person who has spent most of her life voting for Democrats to save her from Republicans and Republicans to save her from Democrats when they’re two sides of the same coin.
The sooner people learn to break out of that, the better things will be.
