This is a great example of how conspiracy theories are: There are some bits that are quite true, but they are connected in such a weird and completely wrong way that you wonder how it even came to this.
Electrician here, I’ve certainly felt electricity, and it sure ain’t pleasant.
And those generation alternators must be very confused.
Masochist here, you’re wrong
Sadist here. You’re right.
Appeaser here: You both make very good points.
AI here: wow, such a great and thoughtful comment! Thanks for adding to the channel.
Grok here: Regarding “white genocide” in South Africa,
You did not feel electricity, you felt what it did to your body 🤓
And your heart felt the frequency 🤓🤓 assuming AC… hope you do your regular ECG 🫶🏻
No no, work around hv and you’ll feel electricity even if you’re not doing hot work a lot of the time you can feel the inductive fields around you.
First of all, there are no “inductive fields”. There are electric and magnetic fields and what you can feel or sometimes hear are the electric fields.
Edit: I don’t understand all the downvotes, but whatever. Specifically what you can hear near high voltage power lines sometimes is partial discharge which is caused by high electric field strengths.
Electromagnetic induction is what you’re feeling and it is indeed creating an inductive field.
Electromagnetic fields induce electric fields, so you’re saying these inductive fields that you can feel are electric fields or do you feel the magnetic field of the induced currents?
An induced magnetic field is how you feel electricity around high voltage. What even is your argument here because what you’re saying in large part makes no sense.
My argument is that you can’t feel magnetic fields. What is yours, because all you write is utter nonsense. Electric fields are induced, not magnetic fields, it’s called Faraday’s law of induction, inductive field is not a technical term. You get a magnetic field from an induced current which is caused by the electric field in a conductor.
Confidently incorrect.
What kind of fields?
When PD, arcing or sparking occurs, electromagnetic waves propagate away from the fault site in all directions which contact the transformer tank and travel to earth (ground cable) where the HFCT is located to capture any EMI or EMP within the transformer, breaker, PT, CT, HV Cable, MCSG, LTC, LA, generator, large hv motors, etc.
Electromagnetic ones!
Yes, EM-Waves consist of an Electric and an orthogonal Magnetic field, these are linked, one can’t exist without the other, otherwise you wouldn’t get a wave. Partial discharge which is a form of corona discharge is caused by Electric fields.
Neat. So tell me, am I wrong in any of my statements this far. No? So what is the point of this tedious interaction?
You’re citing random parts of a wikipedia article that talks about an effect caused by an electric field and claim that it’s caused by a magnetic field. You’re an unscientific troll.
Ah but your nerves rely on electricity so actually you only feel electricity, checkmate athiests
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By that definition you don’t see or feel anything 🤡
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As a non-electrician, I’ve also felt electricity and can confirm, it is indeed not pleasant.
It really hertz
Must’ve been an AC
You only felt what electricity did to you, not what electricity feels, it probably feels like Rogue from Xmen where when it touches someone it hurts them so it will not be able to experience love so its sad and angry
zztz…
Fellow electrician here, I’m convinced that electricity is magic. I’ve only been in electric for 2 years or so, but I’ll be damned if I know how that shit works. The copper touches together and that equals light, or motors spinning, or whatever have you. How? Idk, smarter people figured that out, I’m just here to make sure the damned drywallers don’t cover up our magic copper
Look up “potential difference” and that should make everything make a little more sense.
Basically, the voltage component of electricity wants to flow where the potential is less than itself. In a 120v circuit, the neutral is bonded to ground at the main for a reference of 0v, and you hot leg will find the path of least resistance to that 0v (through the devices we put in line of that circuit, be it lights, motors, etc). The current, or load, in amps, is the work being done by those devices in conjunction with the designed resistance.
Think of a simple incandescent light bulb. The filament has a certain level of resistance that’s designed to sustain a glow when power is applied to it. The 120v potential, trying to reach 0v ground, passes through that filament (the load), making it glow (the current draw is the amount of amps necessary to achieve its full brightness). A motor is similar; power passes through the windings, generating a magnetic field that react with magnets and spin the motor.
Basically, your voltage drives the power through its path to ground, and current is drawn by work being done. V multiplied by A is Watts (kW), or power consumed.
I may be an outlier here, but I’ve experienced mild electric shock from touching a random bare cable sticking out of a wall, and I found it weirdly pleasant. Refreshing, almost.
Mrs Doyle touching bare cables because it makes her feel alive feels like the actual plot of a father Ted episode
Perhaps it’s time we call the men in white coats
And this is how people get into electroplay…I, uh, assume.
Wait—I could have been physically enjoying the torture, rather than getting off on the dom’s pleasure??
Have you ever had a conversation with electricity?!?!?
checkmate, “electricians”
I’ve sure sworn at it when I’ve shown up to a call and something’s arcing, so yeah kinda.
“All right you fucking lightning, back in the (fuse) box!”
It feels like angry
and smells like burneding.
Would you say like an angry god smiting you? That is how lightning must feel like.
It depends, with enough A’s, you don’t notice anything (anymore)
No! You only felt what it does.
Now listen here you little shit
Those pesky pixies do have a penchant for producing pain.
Point properly presented.
Or did you felt it? vsauce music
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This is somehow more offensive to my brain than if they’d simply said “electricity is god”. The way they completely muddy the issue, making the reader not just misinformed but made to feel complacent, like there’s no correct information to be found, is way more grotesque. It shuts down the mind of the reader. It’s anti-education.
That is the sense of religion and because it is so used by goverments. Ignorant and submisive people are easier to dominate and manipulate.
Holy crap that art is freakily accurate to reality
Actually there is also religions promoting science and research.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_attitudes_towards_science
A number of modern scholars such as Fielding H. Garrison, Sultan Bashir Mahmood, Hossein Nasr consider modern science and the scientific method to have been greatly inspired by Muslim scientists who introduced a modern empirical, experimental and quantitative approach to scientific inquiry. Certain advances made by medieval Muslim astronomers, geographers and mathematicians were motivated by problems presented in Islamic scripture, such as Al-Khwarizmi’s (c. 780–850) development of algebra in order to solve the Islamic inheritance laws,[18] and developments in astronomy, geography, spherical geometry and spherical trigonometry in order to determine the direction of the Qibla, the times of Salah prayers, and the dates of the Islamic calendar.[19] These new studies of math and science would allow for the Islamic world to get ahead of the rest of the world. ‘With these inspiration at work, Muslim mathematicians and astronomers contributed significantly to the development to just about every domain of mathematics between the eight and fifteenth centuries"[20]
Many Muslims agree that doing science is an act of religious merit, even a collective duty of the Muslim community.[61] According to M. Shamsher Ali, there are around 750 verses in the Quran dealing with natural phenomena. According to the Encyclopedia of the Quran, many verses of the Quran ask mankind to study nature, and this has been interpreted to mean an encouragement for scientific inquiry,[62] and the investigation of the truth.[62] Some include, “Travel throughout the earth and see how He brings life into being” (Q29:20), “Behold in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day, there are indeed signs for men of understanding …” (Q3:190)
Yes, but the religious accapt only the amount of science until it don’t denies their dogma.
The Baha’i faith teaches that there can never be a conflict between their faith and science. Anything in the past against what science has shown to be true now is considered allegorical.
The only religions which accept and foment all science, are the atee ones (buddism, taoism…), because they are centred in the own spiritual perfection. There isn’t any science which denies their philosophy, even the opposite.
“If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong, then Buddhism will have to change.”
Dalai Lama
Religion doesn’t exist outside society; that dogma is determined by what is useful to those in society with the power to promote it. This is why under the multi-cultural Ottoman Empire they came up with all sorts of justifications to expand the definition of “people of the book” to include basically every significant religious minority except Hindus, and that was only a matter of time, and why fundamentalists who want to return to the 1300s were promoted funded by the British/US/Saudis.
Same applies to any ideology or philosophy. To pretend otherwise is liberal idealism.
I would like to add on, that the Islamic Goldern Age is why we still know about Greek philsophers, have the concept of algebra, or why the scientific method exists.
I think its more than what you claimed… They are just objectively incorrect facts. Many people have felt electricity, we know where it comes from, what causes it, and how to control it, even.
Why is there a 4th book? The way this book teaches, they don’t even need a class.
Stupidity is a mystery. No one has ever observed it or heard it or felt it. We can see and hear and feel only what stupidity does. We know it makes people say strange things, make poor decisions, and ignore obvious facts. But we cannot say what stupidity is like.
We cannot even say where stupidity comes from. Some say it might stem from ignorance or misinformation. Others think that social influences or emotional bias produce some of it. All everyone knows is that stupidity seems to be everywhere and that there are many ways for it to surface.
No one has ever observed it or heard it or felt it.
I wish.
I may have to make this my bio.
Paychology, Sociology, Social Psychology. Arguably studies of stupidity.
I love you.
We homeschooled our kids for non-religious reasons. Most of the commercially available books, materials and curriculums were Christian oriented. While I am a Christian (although not a conservative) I found some of the materials just flat out intellectually insulting, factually incorrect, extremely biased (without the benefit of scriptural justification) and the above example is far from the worst of what I saw. It says a LOT about where your faith actually lies if you have to promote a false reality to justify it.
My brother and sister-in-law homeschooled their kids for a while, which was a bit out of character for them. It turned out they were actually sending them to a private school that was technically “home schooling” because the parents taught the kids at home one day out of the week using school-provided materials and the kids were at the school the other four days. That one day a week allowed the technical “home schooling” designation and also allowed the school to use non-state-certified teachers (with the added bonus of being able to pay them hourly and only for four days of work a week). And all of this was only marginally cheaper than normal private schools. My bro and SIL eventually realized how shitty this was all around and moved into a good school district - which was way cheaper than private schools.
We briefly homeschooled during the pandemic, and like you we’re non-conservative Christians. When our Christian friends asked about our curriculum, they always wrinkled their noses at the fact that it said “secular curriculum” on the cover. We told them, “you don’t understand how weird the home school curriculum business is. Trust me, it’s way easier to take this curriculum and add the values we want to impart than to take all the Christian nationalism out of the religious curriculum.”
as a person from across the ocean, i don’t get this. why would there be need for some different curriculum for homeschooling, and why would the choice depend on the parent? how is it possible you just get to chose? don’t you have to comply with some general standard? here, home-schooling is extremely rare, but if someone undergoes it, they have to use the same textbooks as everyone else and from time to time pass some exams in school to be sure the kid is not behind its peers.
The requirements for home schooling in the US vary wildly from one state to the other and can be almost devoid of any practical oversight in some circumstances. In most cases, parents have autonomy to choose their curriculum and there is a whole industry built to cater to that market. Unfortunately that includes books that deliver the kind of stupidity that we see above. Also, I think it is difficult for those outside the US to understand just how much we idolize individualism over any sense social responsibility here.
It says a LOT about where your faith actually lies if you have to promote a false reality to justify it.
The irony is that such fundamentalists rely on so much engineering, built on layers of scientific research, for what they do (like eating. And housing. And recruitment. And printing and distributing that textbook), and… yeah. It’d be like a flat-earther in orbit. It’s beyond ironic: it’s just not a possible situation without the help of outsiders refuting that belief.
I have a lot more respect for the Amish, isolated monks, folks that take their beliefs seriously and consistently in their lifestyle.
Wait so the above is actually real? And there are worse things in existence?
Wtf…
It says a LOT about where your faith actually lies if you have to promote a false reality to justify it.
But also;
I am a Christian
How do you reconcile these two viewpoints?
“It’s all bollocks, but I still believe it.”
There’s nothing fundamentally christian about the text in the picture above, it’s just nonsense propaganda. The whole science vs religion thing is frankly bollocks too - science shouldn’t be arguing about religion it’s fundamentally incompatible. OP can believe in a god, believe in an afterlife - science has nothing to say on the subject, it’s not testable, it’s not falsifiable it’s got absolutely nothing to do with science.
I think gp is referring to the fact that there is soooo much in the Bible that defies science that is taken as truth.
I was thinking about how to reply here in a meaningful way but I think your response encapsulates the core of it pretty well. Lots more I could say, but would lead to long essay and probably of limited interest to the topic at hand.
Ah yeah man, I feel ya. One thing I don’t really get is why there’s a subset of Christianity that wants to be so combative - like all that needs to be said is “well, yes, that’s pretty clever - of course god would do it that way” or “in this we better understand our maker” instead of trying to belittle what is a clearly useful and widely applied modelling tool.
I’ve observed several possible explanations:
- People are taught certain doctrines and will not question those doctrines - ever. If some new information conflicts with those doctrines, then their faith is being attacked.
- Some are deeply invested in what a certain doctrine allows or prohibits. Think about the sick rationalizations for slavery in the US back in the 1800s supposedly based on the teachings of the Bible. (Sorry, slavery fails the “love your neighbor as yourself” test). To change their thinking means that they have to admit that they were wrong or give up some privilege or perceived position of superiority.
- They self identify with those beliefs and anything that contradicts that belief is a personal attack. Basic arrogance.
From my perspective, the teachings of Christ were about humility. Admitting that you were/could be/are wrong and being willing to change. That’s the whole core of acknowledging your own selfishness (sin), moving to repentance (change) and seeking God’s help in that process. Being combative is not compatible with that, in my views.
American Christianity is so weird.
I went to Italian catholic school from kindergarten to high school and studied dinosaurs and shit, nobody gets to american level of nonsense
My American catholic school taught us that creationism is against catholic doctrine. They also taught the controversy.
My friends who went to public school got less instruction on evolution and their science teachers were obviously creationist while mine barely hid that she thought it was moronic
Yeah, catholic school are generally better about teaching science than other denominations; especially the evangelicals.
All of my friends who went to catholic school had the opposite experience. Evolution was handwaved away as complete nonsense, and God’s benevolence was the answer for why people exist. My public school taught evolution very thoroughly, though none of my science teachers seemed creationist.
Strange. We had just enough Jesuit influence to tell us that God was why, but what and how is best understood through science. Non overlapping magesteria and whatnot.
Now thats not to say they didnt spew some shit. Hell we once got pulled out of class to look at magic bones (internet atheist Latin teacher didn’t like that lol), and our Christian lifestyles class was mostly bigotry and marriage advice, but science class was for understanding the world and the scientific method.
Mostly because American school is about brainwashing, which isn’t the case for the vast majority of everywhere else.
I may have a simple American education… But I’m pretty sure the Vatican is in Europe.
The Vatican library has books on how electricity works.
They also have a ton of books saying that the universe was created in 7 days, and that when you take communion, wine and bread are literally transformed into blood and flesh of a zombie diety.
They also have a ton of books saying that the universe was created in 7 days
That’s just not really true, for Catholics. Not for a few centuries at least.
Ah yes, because changes in the interpretation of the word of God by mere mortals is different from changing the word of God.
Those weren’t “days” per se, it’s more like undefined segments of time. Humans weren’t literally made of of clay, it’s just a stand-in for god’s brainstorming putty.
Ooh ooh, my turn! God made us in his image, but he doesn’t actually have a dick and balls, or even a real form, but he is definitely a ‘he’ despite not having a biologically defined sex, so God created individually selected pronouns and put them in his bio.
Do you see how all this is absolutely absurd? I just changed the meaning of the “literal word of God” and my reasoning is a concrete as any other interpertation, it simply lacks consensus, (which is not a proof BTW). The idea that mortals can re-write the literal meaning and intent of a omnipotent deity is more absurd than stating that we aren’t really sure where electicty comes from.
Oh, don’t get me wrong… I think its all absurd. Just mentioning Catholics don’t buy into this tripe anymore.
I’m an atheist, and that reply is kinda coming off as assholary.
Modern Catholicism has a lot to critique, but their support of science has been really good, especially compared to fundamentalist religions in the US.
As for the explanations for terms (handwaves), I’d say the Talmud started that long ago.
Not sure what point you’re trying to make. The seat of Catholicism in Europe and American fundamentalists have very few things in common. Even American Catholics have very little crossover with their evangelical counterparts.
Most evangelicals think Catholics are devil worshippers, just like Muslims.
The point I’m trying to make is Christianity across the globe is an absurd denial of facts and the observable world. There isn’t really anything more dramatic about American Christians vs Christians in Europe or anywhere else for that matter.
As an American raised in a religious household who’s extremely familiar with European culture, people, and living; you are unfortunately wrong.
American Christianity is its own brand, and Europe has absolutely nothing like it. Nothing. Not at the scale of US religion absurdity.
I too was raised with religion (Catholicism) in the US, while my wife grew up going to Baptist churches - our childhoods could not have been more different. I was taught that studying science and the processes of observation and inquiry bring you closer to God, while for her the sciences were alternately ignored or lied about. Our family gave into the collection basket of our own will because we believed raising funds for good causes was the right thing to do. Her family was under compulsory tithing - 10% of all income. I was allowed to read whatever books, consume whatever media, and wear whatever I wanted, she was not. The list goes on…
I’m not trying to whitewash Catholicism - it obviously has its own major issues that shouldn’t be ignored, but it’s a far cry from the fundamentalist book burners who my family thought of as zealous nut bags.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law
There are parts of Europe where the fanaticism is so entrenched that you can be fined or go to jail for blasphemy.
So I’m seriously doubting your opinion that American Christians are on the whole crazier and more fanatical than Christians anywhere else.
From your source:
Germany
In Germany, religious defamation is covered by Article 166 of the Strafgesetzbuch, the German criminal law. If a deed is capable of disturbing the public peace, defamation is actionable. The article reads as follows:[53]
§ 166 Defamation of religious denominations, religious societies and World view associations (1) Whoever publicly or by dissemination of writings (§ 11 par. 3) defames, in a manner suitable to disturb the public peace, the substance of the religious or world view conviction of others, shall be fined or imprisoned for up to three years. (2) Whoever publicly or by dissemination of writings (§ 11 par. 3) defames, in a manner suitable to disturb the public peace, a church existing in Germany or other religious society or world view association, or their institutions or customs, shall be punished likewise.In 2006, the application of this article received much media attention when a Manfred van H. (also known as “Mahavo”) was prosecuted for defamation for distributing rolls of toilet paper with the words “Koran, the Holy Koran” stamped on them.[54][55][56] The defendant claimed he wanted to protest the murder of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh in 2004 and the London bombings of 2005. Beyond the sentence he also received death threats from Islamists and needed a police bodyguard.[56]
What is called “Blasphemy law” here is just protection of religious people, in particular minorities against persecution and incitement of hatred. You know, because last time when it was en vogue in Germany it led to millions of people being exterminated for their (alleged) religious affiliation.
If such a protection is called “Blasphemy law”, the same would have to be said for laws protecting LGBT, disabled people, ethnic minorities and other vulnerable groups.
What they have on the books and what they enforce/how people live, are two very different things.
I appreciate that link, it’s enlightening, I didn’t know some of those countries still had it on their books.
However, the actual people living in Europe (at least Western Europe) ignore pretty much all of that. Everyone blasphemies all the time, nobody cares.
If anyone’s religious, they generally keep it to themselves in the EU.
If they’re religious in the US, they talk about it as if everyone else is as well, and pray for you and will pray to God to heal you from whatever affliction you have.
You pretty much cant’ escape the religious fanaticism that exists in the US from the people. It’s got nothing to do with the laws on the books (yet, but give the Christo-fascists time…), and everything to do with the insanity that is being religious in the US and making it a part of every aspect of your life, and forcing everyone else around you to participate whether they want to or not.
I’ve spent a good bit of time in Europe, and never once, not even remotely, have I ever been asked anything religious or had anyone talk about God, or Jesus, or offer to pray for me, etc.
I met a Tattoo artist the other day that said he’d pray for me and that Jesus can “do all things through Christ” (which I guess is Jesus doing everything through himself?) completely unprompted and without displaying anything other than a plain black t-shirt.
This happens constantly. Everywhere in the US. And if you’re anywhere near a mega church, holy shit, those people are pure insanity. I’ve been to sermons where people are speaking in “tongues” and yelling jibberish, flopping about on the floor during a big tent-revival thing, hitting people to smack the “demons” out of them, screaming and rolling on the ground to escape demons (or praise God, it’s difficult to tell sometimes), etc.
Nothing like that exists in western Europe to my knowledge. Or if it does, nothing even close to the scale it’s displayed in the US exists.
Did you see the picture of the Vatican I posted in comparison to that evangelical weirdo’s little theater in the US? So much for “keeping it to themselves” there is practically a sovereign state for one branch of Christians in Europe.
That’s because Europe sent us all their religious crazies right at the start.
Not to be that guy but the vatican is important to catholics; not christians as a whole.
In my experience american christianity is a whole other ball game
Yeah I went to Catholic high school in the US. Received an excellent education, which was much better than what the public schools offered. It made college very easy for me, while I watched public school graduates struggle with basic general education concepts.
“Christians” is a broad term, which includes non-Catholics. And within that group there is another huge spectrum where many fall on the crazier side.
I’ll lob the ball back over the fence here. Old textbooks with outdated views of a niche sect of Christian beliefs are probably less important to most Christians than the Vatican is, even to non-Catholic Christians.
Eh. Probably not. Protestants don’t really give a rat’s ass what the Vatican thinks, and the official position of the Roman Catholic Church on creation is “Theistic Evolution,” whereas these nonsense Protestant textbooks teach that evolution isn’t real.
Source: grew up in almost as close to Catholic as a Protestant church can get, but was still taught that the office of the papacy is “a form of Antichrist.”
How much do you care about this belief that electricty is a complete mystery? Were you even aware that this was a mainstream teaching of a small sect of Christians before you saw this meme?
Were you even aware that this was a mainstream teaching of a small sect of Christians before you saw this meme?
I dunno if we can call Evangelicals a small sect at this time. Especially not in the US. Catholicism is a “small sect” in the US, for the most part.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism
Please note the “Global Statistics” section which notes that evangelicals exist in over 120 different countries, including countries in Europe, South America, Africa and Asia.
How much do you care about this belief that electricty is a complete mystery? Were you even aware that this was a mainstream teaching of a small sect of Christians before you saw this meme?
I don’t care at all about “this belief that electricity is a complete mystery.” It’s not a part of any form of Christianity with which I am familiar. It strikes me as the kind of thing someone might write in a children’s textbook because they themselves don’t know what they’re talking about and aren’t going to let that stop them from selling a textbook.
But I also don’t really care what the Vatican says, except as it has an impact on the world. My beliefs, as they are, are in no way affected by the Vatican.
For what it’s worth, I was never taught this nonsense. The Christian school I attended growing up was actually a phenomenal education, lacking only in specific areas like evolution. We consistently scored higher than most other area schools on everything, including science. My understanding of electricity when finishing 8th grade and moving over to public school for high school was as good, if not better, than the average middle schooler (which isn’t, you know, a profound understanding, but also not “no one knows” either).
I don’t think this particular textbook is indicative of religious education in the US in general, and it’s clearly an old textbook based on the image, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if there is some wackjob church that teaches this shit. There are crazy people in all corners of the world, after all.
All I was saying was that, in general, Protestants are more likely to care what some old textbook says than what the Vatican says. They still teach Young Earth Creation, after all. Perhaps not this textbook though.
Edit: Happy cake day, by the way!
Yep, you long-form summarized my point. For the most part, Christians in the US do have an understanding of modern phenomena, and they aren’t any crazier than most Christians anywhere else on the planet.
This sort of nonsense just isn’t a thing in Europe or at least not in my country.
So you’re not Danish, noted.
My brother in America I have felt electricity and I can say exactly what it’s like.
If you still don’t believe though I will gladly share the secret of how to feel it for yourself. You need only bring a fork.
Index Tome 5
Meanwhile banned Books in Schools (Dangerous stuff)
I’m understanding more and more how a stupid pedo_asshole can be voted as president by so much people.
We have no clue what electricity is, because we, the authors, are dumb as fuck.
And we say noone knows because we can’t imagine anyone could think on their own, and God forbid be smarter than us.
Nobody knew electricity could be so complicated!
Electricity is the flow of electrons, (negative charge,) caused by one substance gaining electrons, and one substance losing electrons in a redox reaction. The thing that is oxidized loses electrons, and the substance that is reduced gains electrons. Oxidation is visible in nature via Rust. Water and oxygen gain electrons that are lost by the pure iron creating an iron oxide that is reddish brown. (Batteries have a + and - sign, hooking them up into a loop with a device creates the electricity that powers the device. Everyday batteries utilize zinc and a magnese oxide, but there are many other types of materials that are used in other types of batteries.) 25 years of this Christian faith homeschool bullshit; pretty clear why these dipshits voted trump.
Used to live across the street from a Freewill Baptist Church.
Always curious about other beings mindsets, went and attended a service.
Walked through the main door and felt the trope of crickets chirping. No one greeted me, said hello, welcome, nothing. I was stared at but never acknowledged.
The service was strictly talking. No hyms or singing.
The sermon told me they are creationists that believe “Singing and dancing lead to temptation”.
Point is their “educational materials” were horrifying. Mostly just fear mongering and advising self segregation from reality.
ISBN please— full title and author will help too
And they think we’re the brainwashed ones. lmao
