I was going to get rage-baited into making a “point” about reasoning and how Trump wasn’t a “native” American… but I’m resisting the engagement temptation. There is no “logic”, it’s all about gathering privileges then justifying how to prevent others from doing the same. There is no reasoning, no logic, not even ideology.
They will steal America and imprison, kill or deport anyone who they don’t like. How many steps to fascism before enough people act?
Well, stealing land and getting rid of people they don’t like are among the core founding values of America so this tracks.
One benefit of birthright citizenship is its egalitarian simplicity: The only thing most people need to prove that they’re American is a birth certificate. Those lucky enough to be born here receive equality under the law from their very first breath. Trump seeks to replace that system with a caste-based vision of national identity in which every parent must provide documentation to secure their children’s fundamental rights.
Would it be correct to describe this as “apartheid”?
Yes, to the out group, this will be an apartheid.
Deport Barron!
It looks Republicans want to just shuttle them around like they do with homeless people, rounding them up from red states, dumping them in blue states, and pretending they solved a problem.
Fine, let’s play this game. Trump rounds up citizens he dislikes, pretends they aren’t american citizens, ships them off to other countries who then say “these aren’t our citizens so we’re shipping them back.” It’s cruel, which he’s okay with, but also expensive because they will constantly be sent back to the US to deal with, which is expensive and the costs will only grow since there is no real plan to deal with them. Costs can be used to hurt him politically.
So what’s the point? You cant just put people in other countries, say “not it” and walk away.
Slavery. They’ll make them work for free, as if that’s not almost the case anyway. They might make 2 more cents a day to go on top of their millions a day, so who cares?
the rich: “I hate how I have most of the money instead of all of the money.”
You cant just put people in other countries, say “not it” and walk away
Republicans: “Hold my beer”
Under these rules, Trump himself isn’t a citizen
Hitler didn’t have blonde hair either
And his, ahem, ‘wife’ is definitely not.
Here’s another thing to think about… This is another distraction because the obese tangerine is on the Epsteins kiddie fiddling list. He’s a convicted rapist and rapes children.
Back to Oompa Loompa Land he goes.
Can you explain that please? I just read the document and I don’t see why this is true.
His mother was an immigrant with questionable citizenship at the time of his birth.
And his father? Because it also says clearly that as long as one parent is a green card holder or citizen that citizen ship is granted.
His father is questionable as well since he had immigrant parents on both sides.
Thank you 🙏🙏
At some point the people will unify on a single point : demand the administration resign in entirety
Until we do that and March coast to coast saying the same simple message this won’t end
“You’re fired”
Good then after that they can deport Trump and his family into a volcano.
Wait… I thought these morons said life begins at conception. Shouldn’t citizenship be determined at that time, then?
They can’t even get their own story straight.
Life begins at the moment of insertion.
Citizenship begins when your skin passes the paint swatch test.
Citizenship begins when your skin passes the paint swatch test.
Plenty of Latinos and black folks in ICE, but go off
Useful idiots. There were jews with the Brownshirts too.
Oh my sweet summer child
I’m curious what you think the significance of that is?
You’ve never heard of race traitors before?
Or internalized racism if you want to be more polite
Normally I try to be polite, but it’s difficult when discussing the enforcement arm of a fascist regime.
The one that’s expanding beyond all supposed needs and is clearly planning to be the American Gestapo?
Fair. Wonder why someone would give them the benefit of the doubt!
If not for double standards, Republicans would have no standards at all.
The hypocrisy is baked into their ideology. They don’t need to be consistent, it is all about “winning” to them. Words mean nothing, except as a method to “win”.
Words mean nothing, except as a method to “win”.
This is literally how demons are in Frieren.
I feel like that’s giving them too much credit, The demons in Frieren aren’t immoral they’re just ammoral, they straight up don’t have a concept of morality or empathy except from an external point of view as this strange human behaviour they can manipulate. Fascist on the other than are human and do understand morality and empathy and then choose to ignore and weaponize them anyway, they have so much more malice than a fictional demon.
Now you are getting it.
I don’t know what any of that that means, but I was paraphrasing Sartre:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
By “anti-Semites” Sartre is of course referring to the Nazis and their sympathisers (it was written in 1944).
Almost like they never actually cared and were just lying to manipilate you, or something!
In dry bureaucratic language, the memo outlines a plan to revoke citizenship from the children of both immigrants who lack permanent legal status and many lawful residents, including visa holders, Dreamers, and asylum-seekers. It envisions intrusive federal review of parents’ papers—quite possibly in the hospital, before or shortly after birth—to gauge the newborn’s legal status. And it paves the way for people who spend their entire lives in the United States to be deported to countries in which they’ve never stepped foot, or to be condemned to the limbo of statelessness.
I wonder how Marco Rubio feels about this. Neither of his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth in the U.S… Perhaps he’ll be deported to Cuba?
Regarding Lil’ Marco, I wish they’d deport him and his fascist bootlicking family to Cuba
Logically, this combined with their insistence that they can revoke legal status means that no one’s citizenship is guaranteed. Everyone born in the US is descended from people who weren’t citizens. And those who went through a process to become citizens can apparently have that yanked away if the current administration get its way.
If I were the next president and had to try and undo the damage these fascists are inflicting, I’d start by deporting the bastards behind this shit in all three branches of government, starting with the the Supreme Court. Maybe just drop them all off in Antarctica.
SO, If I’m descended from Native Americans AND Canadians, does that mean I’d get deported to Canada, or would being descended from Native people protect me from deportation even if that means I’m not “lily white”?
Hmmm never thought being Native American could be so advantageous till now…
Hope you live and work within a reservation. It are lucky enough to detour you back to one if you don’t. They’re coming for anyone that disagrees with them.
Why Antarctica? What’s wrong with Sudan or El Salvador? 😜
Too hot!
Rules for thee… not for me.
Selective enforcement. Well who knows, they’ll have AI crawling the data
My first thought was Nick Fuentes.
Stop pretending that’s how laws work, abd fucking gight.
Please.
This crap has to be part of Krasnov’s mission to weaken and dismantle the US.
The entire developed world has fertility rates well below population maintenance levels. Countries are going to need to attract immigrants to keep their work forces and tax bases stable, never mind growing them.
The USA is going to have problems attracting immigrants for decades if not generations, unless some crazy shit unexpectedly changes for the better with our government.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fertility-rate
Or we could shift to systems that don’t require us to be cancer.
Funny how that’s almost always relevant in these messed up situations.
But this might transcend that a bit. If we shifted to a decent system that put humans first, we would still need agriculture at the same huge scale even if it was managed by communities and co-ops. Many jobs in that sector that are filled by cheap undocumented migrants are already ones that Americans won’t do. I could see there still being an issue getting the work done.
Of course, if individuals were more involved in the sourcing of their food and even worked outside on some gardening, it would benefit them greatly. We’d want whole education campaigns to help with that.
still require agriculture
Im talking about the ‘must always grow’ shit. Yes we still need food
immigrants
Fuck borders. Why? What’s the benefit of them to actual people? They’re just problems. Let people ho where they want.
people shouldn’t be alienated from their food
Agree.
fuck corporate (thing)
Agree
Let people ho where they want.
Preserving this amazing typo in case you decide to “fix” it.
Spotted it, decided not to.
Here’s a wacky idea: if Americans won’t do it, Americans don’t get to eat. Let’s see how long it takes for things to change…
So yeah, many people could use that kind of tough love and reconnecting with the basic realities of life. It would legitimately improve the mental and physical health of the population too.
Unfortunately the conservatives have already claimed the strategy of starving the young and the infirm because their parents or caretakers aren’t good enough worker bees.
Or physically can’t.
This country is also way too big and its climates are way too varied to support its population on small subsistence farms all year long.
We could do it that way a century and a half ago, but even then we were reliant on industrialized farming and food production.
People will still come to USA. Even if trump discontinues birth right citizenship people from third world countries will still want to come to USA whether illegally or legally. The thing is by denying citizenship to immigrants trump will be able to create an army of cheap labours and companies will pay him a lot more for those labourers. Because if you are illegal immigrant and want work to help your family at home you will be willing to do anything. That’s what trump and his friends want. They will hire cheap labour, pay very less, exploit excessively and then escape from the clutches of the law.
I disagree. As it ramps up, it will become more and more risky and less and less people will want to emigrate especially as economic opportunities lie elsewhere.
This is enlightening on this dark, fascist move. It’s a bureaucratic way to implement slavery. Keep these humans on a knife’s edge to control them. Deport them or threaten to deport them at any time, to a foreign or domestic concentration camp where a corporation can leech off their family or the government to pay for their incarceration. Krasnov the Donvict indeed. This gets more dystopian the more I think about it. Their greed is an endless abyss of depravity. It’s like they’re controlled by a person with the human values of a diabolical pedo.
Sure, the US will have cheap workers, but high skilled migrants will prefer other countries. This is not just going to hit farm workers after all.
Robots will be mainstream soon. Humans won’t be needed.
Robots are great for situations that don’t require adaptations. Anything that requires novel choices will require humans for the foreseeable future.
AI will progress in that future.
Alternately: hollowing out our educational systems will diminish human capabilities in this realm
It’s a ten year race against China. Education won’t have much of an influence.
We’re gonna burn up the planet with energy use for AI before that happens
All that coal was created from trees, which are younger than sharks. Nature wasn’t burning then, will not be burning soon. Nature will survive, it’s the industrial farming that will be difficult.
I thought so too but with the warming trends we are experiencing at unprecedented rates the planet does not have time to adapt as well. We are now looking at a possible Venus scenario if this warming continues at this rate. If we look closely we are still increasing our load on the planet and thus increasing the speed of the cycle. Meaning all flora would not have the thousands of years to adapt to the warming as it has previously in earth’s history.
We may just kill every live thing on the entire planet because of our greed.
There are always algues and fish unless we go out of our way and poison the ocean.
But I can’t imagine that no plant will adapt or is already adapted. Some palm trees, some weed will survive.
Not the stuff we have now. True AI is still a long way off.
Ah, the perfect reminder that people on Lemmy can be just as big of dipshits as people on reddit were.
Do you just not like AI or do you have a reason to believe that there won’t be significant progress?
Not OP but out current implementations of LLMs and similar models are just fundementally incapable of true reasoning, we can keep pumping money into them with diminishing returns but its never going to turn into AGI. Maybe not the best example but LLMs are like bronze, pretty good but no matter how much better you get at bronze working its just never going to allow for the things that could be done with more advanced metalurgy. Right now the big names are pouring money into bronze and no one is figuring out how to smelt iron.
By smelting bronze one learns about ores and sooner or later discovers iron ore.
The processes matter, the data, the teams.
Using imprecise terms like AI make it impossible to know. Do you mean than machine learning/neural networks can make robots adaptive enough to pick oranges and butcher chickens, or do you think LLMs are going to get “smart” enough to become AGI?
Both. Many resources are put into the former which inevitably will lead to somebody having an insight for the latter.
Eventually, but quickly enough.
There will always be some who will get their thrills off abusing actual humans and not robots. Pedo types, like those names of power hiding in the Epstein files.
Trump just released Miller’s plan
Italian plumbers need to pay that cucked pedophile a visit
That would be 🕶️ super
YEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!!!
With this all out attack on American Citizens. It makes me wonder, if we’re their enemy, who are their allies? And also why aren’t more Heritage Foundation buildings and Republican Offices on fire?
Because the people that hate republicans are usually moral people and wreaking havoc and mayhem isn’t something we usually do.
You’re going to have to because walking around with signs isn’t going to stop this.
What about a strongly worded sign with like eight bullet points?
But that won’t make people on the internet chuckle
Psh, you haven’t seen my signs!
Their allies? White Racists, neo-Nazis, everyone who wants a dictatorship and the Russians. All of them are worthless shits.
Don’t forget the ultra rich, as much as the ultra rich would like you to forget them.
Hmm who has well documented ties to this administration and would be happy with the downfall of America as a world power? This is one I’ll have to Putin the ol’ think tank for a while
Because Americans are cowards
Their allies are white white supremacists who don’t consider you people and because Americans have a severe case of invertebrate-osis respectively.
Well, ask yourself. Why haven’t you done any of these things you’re asking.
Did you ask yourself why I would post those activities on a public forum first?
The courage of your convictions, a call to action for others, leading by example.
There are many reasons you might decide to.
Look, you seem to be Australian. If you’d like to join 50501 and dive from there I won’t stop you. But I get it. You are urging me because I am here. Believe me, there is preparation and movement, Portland is steeped in madness they are resisting so hard, we started late in all states, but its there. Far more than any socials, including Lemmy, show.
I’m not urging you to do shit, tbh.
But I’m tired of all the hand-wringing from people who are waiting for “someone else” to do something.
I’m sorry I didn’t realise you’ve already torched a dozen wasps nests I didn’t know about.
You dont even live here. Go hand wring about your laws that allowed Collective Shout to fuck adult games the planet over.
This gets my ‘I’m too scared to read’ award for the day
Read it and prepare to fight it. These cowards expect us to cower and hide. Resist.
You are most correct. We can no longer look away from the atrocities and hope they stop. Today all decent folks must be soldiers for humanity Thank you comrade
And by soldier for humanity, you mean valiant protestor for representative democracy (the best kind)?
Let’s come together and use our words. Meeting violence with violence only breeds more violence. The only way to stop violence is to ask.
Yup, historically fascist regimes have only been stopped by people asking nicely.
You had me in the first half, ngl
Thanks, most people seem incapable of catching on despite how ridiculous I’m having to get.
Ask, “What about the Epstein Files?” as the first volley.
I mean, so far that’s all you’ve been doing.
So what you hang out with fenrirlll? How long have you personally known him and how he comports his life?
Talking about Americans in general, not this guy personally. Who knows, maybe he’s thrown a few punches. I feel like we’d have heard about him if he had, though.
Why does he or anyone have to throw punches. Do you feel nonviolent protest is useless?
At this point? Absolutely. You seem to think you’re still dealing with Bush-era fascism.
Does not matter if its north korean fascism. I can’t stop you but dissuading one type of protest is not a good way to help another. There will be all kinds of protest and they do aid each other at the least by spreading out government forces. I did not protest during the bush era so it has to be this record breaking level to get the levels we saw with no kings and will see this weekend.
It’s pretty vile. I don’t blame you.
What’s his plan to release the Epstein files?
This is the actual point
DO NOT LET HIM DISTRACT US FROM THE EPSTEIN FILES WITH THIS CRAZY PLAN
I think this is the game to watch…the epstien files will just be entertaining, Trump is doing all of this clutching pearls stuff over the EF to get a bunch of other stuff passed…they’ve had a bunch of time to doctor the EF . When finally released it will be a shell of actual facts, hell my bets on Greta thurnburg being a client.
You saw it already.
Get progressively more unhinged because people haven’t stopped asking for them?
As is now tradition.
It sounds like he’s trying to recreate Epstein’s empire himself. Why else would they want to arrest babies?
