God I hope he knows he ended up on LinkedIn lunatics
You think people like this have enough self-awareness to be ashamed?
Not inherently, but I’d hope that a public mocking would still cause a reaction
“We only hire slave labor here. You aren’t nearly subservient enough for the honor.”
Founder/CEO/Designer - Micro…
Unless that ends in “soft” you’re a failure and you’re trying to bring everyone else down with you.
If it is “soft”, you’re a known pedophile and you should be in prison.
We all know it’s not MicroSoft but rather MicroPenis1
The guy can’t even start his sentences with a capital letter. And you’re supposed to take him serious as a CEO?
“Sorry I’m not even interested. You behave like a child, don’t understand life and clearly treat your employees like shit.”
Begin banana metaphor.
Bananas are great. If I ate a healthy amount of bananas a week, I’d be happy with my banana consumption. I’d enjoy bananas.
However, if I ate a lot of bananas each week, let’s say 80 🍌/week (that’s 16 bananas a day, from Monday to Friday!), I would HATE bananas, regardless of how much I previously enjoyed them. With so many bananas a week, I’d probably suffer from malnutrition and related health problems.
End banana metaphor.
I don’t think it’s possible to be happy when working 80+ hours a week, even if it’s something you used to enjoy. “The dose makes the poison.”
That’s because workaholics think they’re normal and everyone else is lazy. In reality they usually either trying to hide from something in their personal life, or they really are just that boring of a person that they can’t think of anything better to do than work.
This is not the same as being passionate, since that usually involves doing something for yourself rather than for another persons business.
I used to be a software developer and I enjoyed being a software developer, but I honestly couldn’t give a crap about the proprietary accounting system or whatever it was that we were developing for the client. That stuff was hella boring
Exactly, loving your job doesn’t prevent burnout. No matter how much you love it, if you are doing actual work (not some exec shitposting on linkedin all day) then past a certain point your body/mind will just get too tired to function well.
I genuinely love my job. I would do it for free if I could afford to. I sometimes (especially lately) work well over 60 hours a week. But I need to be careful about how much OT I let myself put in because I will burn out. I know that when I push myself too hard I will eventually start fucking up. I will start missing obvious things. I will start making stupid mistakes. With my job I am also far more likely to seriously injure myself when burned out. Allowing myself to become burned out results in worse outcomes for the customers and costs my company more money. Not to mention that if I did injure myself badly enough to be out of work then all those extra hours I put in would be outweighed be the time I miss.
A good manager recognizes that a burned out employee does more harm than good and works to prevent it. A good manager knows that keeping their employees happy, well rested, and fulfilled is in the company’s best interest. Sometimes demands pop up that will require a bit of burn out to deal with but the benefit of meeting those demands needs to be weighed against the harm of that burnout. Shitty managers always severely underestimate the harm burnout causes not just to their employees but also to the company.
I don’t think it’s possible to be happy when working 80+ hours a week
I think there’s a certain element of “do what you love and you’ll never work a day in your life” in this.
If you’re really deeply invested in a project and doing it brings you joy, then you very well might find yourself investing every waking moment working on it.
But that’s not a “job”, that’s a “passion”. You typically don’t get to pursue your passions unless you already have a big passive income or a sugar daddy willing to cover your expenses.
Imagine being psychotic enough to brag about this.
“They are not glorious enough to work for my wonderful company and with my pure genius!”
It’s basically the same thing that scammers do - they know they have a terrible approach, but that’s fine because they are only looking for the easy marks who are too oblivious to sense anything is wrong.
This CEO is preventing anyone with self preservation or a sense of actual industry norms from applying, increasing the proportion of aps from the gullible.
“love the uncertainty”
Yeah, nothing like insecurity. Everyone fucking loves the shit outta that fucking shit! Gimme it all. I want nerve wracking, potential poverty around every corner. That’s the ticket!
Seriously though, WTF is wrong with this person?
They believe the bullshit they have been fed.
I didn’t read the entire message but I think the response is simple:
“That is all well and good, but come IPO time, it is you, not me, who is getting paid. Make this a co-operative or give every employee a reasonable percentage of the company, and we can all decide if your idea is worth the risk.”
You get this with startups. There’s always some pillock who reckons that just because your employee number 17 means that somehow you should be as invested as they are despite the fact that you’re getting the wage you’re getting regardless. If you weren’t a founding member, then it’s just a job.
Sure if they do really well as a company maybe you could ask for a raise, but it’s not a guarantee and it’s not directly mapped to the company’s success, so who cares.
If you ever work for a startup in the software industry make sure the base salary is good, because there’s no guarantee that any shares in the businesses will ever be worth the paper they’re written on. If the company does well, then great, but if it doesn’t you still need to have been compensated for your time, after all it’s not your fault that subscription-based water fountains didn’t catch on.
Entrepreneur brain, stage 4, terminal
My husband is at the point of his career where he seeks out startups because he like passion projects. He’s actually worked for several that have become huge multibillion dollar companies
The look on his face rn as i read this out to him is hilarious
I can’t tell what his reaction is from this!
Any stories ? I’d love to hear
And how much equity are you providing for this role
We haven’t figured out the details yet but we’re passionate about our business family and we’re sure we’ll have good news for you at
ChristmasEasterThe New YearThe next AGMhey wait why are you leaving what about those shares? We’ve nearly sorted out the details!
A simple “we are going a different direction” would have been enough. Fuck this CEO and cue* the Mario Bros theme!
*thanks, citizen Train.
DO THE MARIO
queue
Actually in this case “cue” is the correct form of the word. It’s reference to cue sheets for plays
Fixed, just for you, big boy!
*cue, as in “this was her cue to step onto the theater stage”
I feel like anyone who says they love their work so much it doesn’t feel like work just doesn’t have an actual life that they like to live so work just beats out not working everytime.
I mean there is people who work for organizations like Doctors without Borders. Being deployed in a zone of natural disaster or war, they probably rack up 60+ hours a week easily. However their pay is much smaller than what they could get in the “market”. Turns out people can love their job, if it does something meaningful, rather than make some rich people more rich.
I love my work, and at times I work long hours, nights, weekends, to meet specific goals or when there is an emeegency.
That is however the exception, not the rule.
I need my day to day to be smooth, I need my blend of work from home, so that when the high energy bursts do happen, I can handle it.
The idea of working at crisis levels all the time as standard is just insane to me, and suggests bad time management and expecations.
they also aren’t doing any actual proper labor, just at the 19th hole having a “business lunch” with a “possible investor”
or “securing partnerships” by spending 2 days travelling for a 3 hour meeting
Does golf actually have more than 18 holes, or is this a sex joke?
Be kind: I don’t know golf…or jokes.
The 19th hole is the traditional joke name for the bar/restaurant that you go to after you finish playing. Not sure where you got sex from, but no, there is no sex involved in golf.
Oh that makes sense, thanks!
It’s the internet; it’s pretty safe to assume sex (or sex jokes), especially when holes are mentioned.
there is no sex involved in golf
Rule 34 says otherwise
I really enjoy my job. I spend my time solving problems and work on projects that improve the water supply for the country. I enjoy working late because I don’t have any meetings, so I am unburdened enough to actually work. I don’t think I could work more than 50 hours a week though.
I fucking love not working! I prioritize time spent not working over time working every day of my life.
sits back and waits for people to insinuate about my work quality
na, they’re just lying. people at the top work far less than anyone else.
Their work is primarily flogging the slaves to work harder.
I can see a young bachelor with no hobbies choosing that but if you have a family and do this then you might as well just say that avoiding them is your only hobby.
There are exceptions to every rule. There are super lucky people for whom their job really is their hobby. Then, even if they do have a life , they can still find their work doesn’t feel like work. Life is not fair - it’s not shitty for everyone equally.
People who say that have ‘jobs’ where they blather and other people do work then money comes in.
I think there are people who love their job me included. The clients and co workers make it a bad experience.
Exactly. Not a life worth having.
Tar and feathers… some ‘CEO’ make me to think about that old tradition.
Every year, we do an employee survey to see how management is doing; like a report card for management. In the last 3 years, mine has come back with the highest company scores for employee engagement, job satisfaction, and project completion rate. I was asked to give a presentation to the other officers and managers about things I do to get those scores.
The presentation was basically one slide that I expanded to 10. It came down to creating the expectation, for the folks who report to me, that a work week is 37.5 hours (our full-time week) and no more. I make it clear that if my team is working overtime, I’ve failed. If that happens, together we look at their project commitments and reduce the workload, or get training, or whatever is needed.
Working folks to the point of burnout is NEVER a valid solution. Respecting personal time pays dividends to everyone. It’s amazing how treating people like adults makes them happier and more productive. It’s such a low bar and yet seems so foreign to people.
After my presentation, multiple execs argued thar I’d get more done if I pushed my team harder. Our company President pulled up all of our project completion rates, and asked them to explain the discrepancy. The three who complained the most about my approach were in the bottom five.
Data continually shows people are happy when they have a solid, predictable, work life balance. Happy people are more productive and are willing to do more in the long run. And they stick around, so you don’t have to keep looking for new employees. Everyone wins. Yet, there is such a resistance to it by certain people, and I don’t understand why.
Tldr: Expecting your people to give up their personal life for work, it’s a clear sign that you are a terrible leader.
Yet, there is such a resistance to it by certain people, and I don’t understand why.
People are emotional driven. It might be something like “I worked 80 hour weeks. If I accept that that wasn’t the right move, then I have to admit I fucked up. I’m a good smart person. I don’t fuck up. Thus, this idea is wrong and I reject it”
sounds like how my parents rationalize my childhood
It’s how religious and cult members stay in and why it’s so hard to deprogram them.
Drama is much more compelling than good leadership. Martin Gutmann: good leadership is boring
shit floats
Consult your doctor
he said to cut all ceos out of my diet
Hmm… maybe it we make them into hot dogs first they’ll be more digestible.
It’s more cognitive dissonance than emotional drivers, with what you’ve described.
Is cognitive dissonance not a subcategory of emotions? If not I guess you’re right
No, it’s where your reality externally doesn’t match your internal idea of it so you ignore it away or rationalize it away, etc.
I make it clear that if my team is working overtime, I’ve failed.
Bingo!
This was my attitude too. If anyone has to work late or weekends, it was a failure in resource allocation, which is a management function.
The only exception was if people had to get on late night calls with people in other timezones, in which case they were expected to take the equivalent time off at their own convenience.
Another easy win is bullshit agile daily standups. I made them twice a week, and no longer than 15 minutes and only to cover potential blockers, not status reports. That alone made everyone happier. In one case, the team finished a project that had been languishing for three years in three months and shipped it out.
It’s really about respecting people’s time.
My last boss totally fucked up my daily stand-ups. I suggested them because, when I started, I found most work wasn’t consistently tracked or even discussed. My boss’s management style was panicking about everything and panic working while raging that no one else was also panicking about everything (spoiler: I also learned department turnover was high, can’t imagine why), so I was trying to help implement any organization whatsoever. She quickly turned my 10 minute stand-ups into 1-1.5 hour slogs where each team member had to give an update on each of their projects, despite having earlier logged it all into the project tracker I created.
By far the worst micromanager and least competent person I ever worked for.
I dont understand how these managers get hired and stay on so long behaving that way
My promotion was fucked by an internal client like this, who’s a manager that keeps failing upwards and sideways. His team members hate him, his VP doesn’t trust him and keeps putting additional managers on his project.
My team did everything - we saved his project from the edge of the cliff, reached milestones, onboarded contractors, and made the notoriously grumpy VP satisfied.
Yet that’s not enough, as I’m supposed to make this manchild happy.
Some people just love drama and panic, and others are too soft to push back on them, as they are uncomfortable with any type of conflict.
True, although for some the conflict simply isn’t worth it.
My coworkers and I were having issues getting any information from another team to do our job. Since we had a set deadline to finish the work, I set up a Monday/Wednesday meeting schedule to extract the information we needed from that team. My boss and the other team’s boss turned it into a two hour update-fest with us and the other team updating our respective bosses, with both teams in the meeting. So fucking pointless, and so far away from what that meeting was supposed to be, it is truly astonishing we were able to get anything done.
Oh and the other team stopped providing the information we needed to finish when our bosses converted our meeting to update-fest.
People requesting you to say orally the same thing you typed in the task tracker that they should see if they paid attention to the tasks that are assigned to them and also notifies them by email really annoys me.
The frequency of standups should be determined by the team and blockers should never have to wait till standup to be surfaced.
I work on a growth product team and we frequently have devs pulled away to work on a feature in a different product. The engineers started losing track of availability of others and what features were going to prod became opaque. We opted to move back to daily standups with status reports as it kept the team informed and thus motivated, and gave an opportunity in several cases to refine approaches from the start.
There are, of course, other ways to accomplish this, like having a public issue board, but often private conversations don’t make it to the issues.
Semi-agreed on daily standups – the regular accountability drives productivity for a lot of people, but I also agree that daily is excessive. We’ve settled on 3 days/week and it works pretty well for both camps - 2 is probably fine, but 1 I would argue is missing the point.
Def agreed on 15 minutes, as you say - any longer and you lose both people and the purpose of the check-in.
I worked Bay Area tech as a dev for several years; the thing they are really really good at is manipulating young people (mostly men, really) into thinking that if they aren’t living work then they are bad people. All of your free time should be spend thinking about work, building things for work, “leveling up” your skills to be better at work. Family and friends are not important, only work. The gaslighting and emotional manipulation is cult-like.
I once had the founder of the startup I was working for tell me that he had no idea I cared about the company after I gave a presentation on how we could pivot our product to be more effective. He then asked how he could get more of my time for the company. I was working 60-80 hour weeks already.
I’m an EM now and those experiences shaped how I run my team: work is work, not your life. You do your work so that you can afford to do the things you actually care about, and that is how it should be.
You’re an electromagnet?
Also yes.
This is why I didn’t stay in management. I had the same attitude as you. I didn’t mind working late myself and if someone really wanted to because they had an interesting problem I’d usually let them cut out early Friday or come in late the next day. I got too much shit from other management and C levels about how my team never seemed to be around. I’d ask what was not getting done or what they were expecting that they didn’t get. The answer was always just that they didn’t see the team in the office when other teams were still there. They could have needed something!
I got tired of that shit. One of the reasons that I went into business for myself as a one man company. Now I don’t have to justify anything but my own existence to anyone except who I directly report to. And the guy I directly report to likes the big ass penalty clause in my contract for terminating it early or without notice because accounting can’t get rid of me without taking a hit or giving me time to finish up my projects. I’m judged solely on what I deliver. And I almost always come in ahead of time and with better results than most other teams because I’m not worked like a rented mule.
Yup. We’re humans and when we get tired we make mistakes. I could work a 12 hour day, but in the twelfth hour I’ll probably make a mistake that’ll take more than 6 hours or to fix someday in the future. If I work 8 hours you get 8 hours of productivity. If I work 12 hours you’ll end up getting 6 hours or less of productivity.
The whole thing about making people work long hours is just about bad managers that enjoy exerting power over people. It’s not about productivity.
We’re humans and when we get tired we make mistakes. I could work a 12 hour day, but in the twelfth hour I’ll probably make a mistake that’ll take more than 6 hours or to fix someday in the future
Doctors/nurses/cops/emts/firefighters/pipefitters/welders/fucktard-managers everywhere are gasping in shock and horror.
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A lot of business types have a very simple view on labor. Time is money, so the more time you get somebody to work the more you earn. Of course it doesn’t work like that in reality, but this mentality is spread far and wide.
What did the execs have to say after being asked to explain the discrepancy?
I’m leaving my job at the end of the month for the same reason
The suffering is the point
RUN!!! To the closest golf course, that new CEO is probably there and just walk up to them and say “fuck you and “your company” I am out!” Then yell to the people around them to not give money to him… “he’s a grifter who is exploiting workers so he can play golf with you!”
If you want to hurt him, say something along the line: “The product doesn’t work and most of the code is plagiarized”. Something that implies that the company is about to hit a rough patch. Something that suggests that investors shouldn’t invest, lest they lose their money.
It should also go something like this as well.
100%!!
Never seen that movie but now I wanna! Thank you!! 😊
The main character is sort of the prototypical modern incel rage fantasy.
I really enjoy this movie it has a lot of awesome scenes of outrage at normal life, but much like the fight club movie or the novel ‘Catcher in the Rye’ I feel like people often get the wrong idea about what problems it identifies in society and why the main character is a deeply unhealthy response to a sick world.
Agreed, he’s just a horrid person in and out of acting so it’s savage that he’s trying to pretend he’s not an incel who is a trash actor and hasn’t had anything since his little fame. He’s basically a “D” actor and everything since has been a straight up cash grab because it’s all TRASH!
Yikes, I did not know the dude was a bad person in real life! Thanks for pointing that out!
Also, D-fense, D-list actor! get it?
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