I’m pretty sure this is the same guy who was ranting about Godot “being woke” last year lol

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    The YouTuber noted that his opinion on the initiative has led players to review-bomb the company’s new releases. To avoid further harm to their reputation, he’s terminated the partnership indefinitely. “I am no longer working at Offbrand Games,”

    The damage is done now. He isn’t likable, took a big loss on his part, almost took down his collabs with himself.

    Let this be a lesson in being humble about your public appearence. He’s essentially being featured in some questionable forums, I believe. This was absolutely not worth it for him.

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      I don’t understand why he’s getting flamed so hard. I get that it’s an unpopular take, but the reaction is way overboard. Why is the community like this?

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        Unpopular take is a bit of an understatement. He called the entire movement shit and trashtalked it instead of just disagreeing. He also, after all the responses, doubled down and said he hopes “the movement gets want it wants, but not what it needs.”

        It’s also not really a one off situation from PirateSoftware

        This just served as a way for others to shed light on how scummy he is as a person in general.

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          Is there some kind of summary I can read? I don’t follow him and only read a couple articles about the situation and it didn’t seem all that bad. But maybe it was.

          The one video I half watched was him defending Godot from people overexaggerating, so I don’t see evidence of him being a scummy person in general.

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            Clip of his response: https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/AssiduousTiredBoarRitzMitz-j0W1S8wiY9wGCtK7

            Video summary (timestamped at where he just trashtalks the movement for a solid minute) https://youtu.be/R-RaQZPzhqU?t=494

            I don’t know if there’s any real good TLDR for this situation, here’s the best I could find: https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/streamers/pirate-software-stop-killing-games-controversy-timeline-events

            WoW controversy part https://deltiasgaming.com/pirate-software-world-of-warcraft-drama-explained/

            There’s a couple of other stuff like abuse allegations against him and other minor controversies like cheating in puzzle games. You can look those up if you want.

            Also, for context, I do not condone any of the harm sent his way. I think what he’s done is pretty scummy, but he and his team doesn’t deserve being sent death threats and swatted

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              For reference, this is the first time I’ve watched anything by PirateSoftware, and I’ve only heard about him in the past week or so. So I’m coming at this from a pretty neutral position and as someone who generally supports SKG (I’m not in Europe so I can’t sign, but I would if I could).

              Clip of his response

              Looks like he’s responding more to online bullying, not the petition. The only time he mentions Ross at all (and not even by name) is him giving sarcastic support (hope petition gets everything you asked for, but nothing you wanted), which underscores his view that the petition is overly vague.

              The video summary is useful, it looks like PirateSoftware completely missed what the petition was for. I’ve read the petition and watched the supporting materials, and it’s clear to me that the focus is to make games (SP or MP) continue to work in some fashion for those that bought it after support ends. But it seems PirateSoftware somehow misinterpreted it as “all games must be playable SP after support ends,” which isn’t the case at all. Using the WoW example, players just want to keep doing raids w/ friends after support ends, and they’re happy to host the server themselves.

              here’s the best I could find

              I think that’s the one I read. Here’s my takeaway, I obviously haven’t confirmed everything (I’d rather not dig through his videos)

              WoW controversy part

              Idk, that situation looks dumb. I don’t know who the group leader was, but here’s how it seems to have unfolded:

              1. someone says run (beginning of the clip), so he runs
              2. on the way out he exhausts his manna trying to save the group
              3. someone else says to come back because they’re getting wrecked
              4. seconds later that same person says “just run”

              I don’t think there’s a good outcome there. Either he returns to help the person getting wrecked and likely dies (I’m not familiar w/ WoW, but it seems he’s out of resources), or he runs and doesn’t die, and there are conflicting commands from the group. It was a tense situation and the group was looking for someone to blame. The article mentions the group worked it out.

              I think what he’s done is pretty scummy

              Here’s how I see it, taking things from PirateSoftware’s perspective:

              1. misinterprets the petition (honest mistake IMO), probably because Ross Scott isn’t some suave presenter and jumped to conclusions (i.e. this is just some angry gamer who threw something together); that last part is absolutely speculation on my part, drawn from my own initial reaction
              2. got a ton of unrelated backlash, like people digging through his history to defame him, death threats, etc
              3. he doesn’t see his error, and instead sees Ross Scott as the unwitting leader of a horde of angry gamers who are going to accidentally destroy a chunk of his industry

              What needed to happen is for PirateSoftware and Ross Scott to jump on a call to clarify the petition. It’s absolutely fine if he still thinks it’s a bad petition, but at least ensure you understand what it’s talking about so you can elucidate reasons for opposing it.

              I think PirateSoftware is your typical self-centered streamer/YouTuber. He probably didn’t watch Ross Scott’s rebuttal, probably because the community’s reaction left a bad taste in his mouth. On the flipside, one of the streamers I like also initially rejected the petition (not sure if he changed his mind, I don’t watch him all that often), probably because the rational initial reaction to proposed laws is to reject them.

              I think it’s an unfortunate situation. I wish Ross Scott was more charismatic. I wish PirateSoftware didn’t misread the petition. I wish they jumped on a call to work through the details, which would be especially valuable to Ross Scott to get the feedback of an industry insider. A lot of unfortunate things happened, but I still don’t think PirateSoftware is a bad person, I think he’s just a typical streamer who tends to jump to conclusions (easy to do when doing things live) and is a bit self-centered (which you need to be as a streamer IMO).

              Anyway, that’s my take given the limited amount of time I’ve spent on this.

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    Let’s brigade people more for speaking and thinking differently. There should only be one correct opinion and anyone who disagrees should be shunned.

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      You mean “lets have people say whatever they want without any consequences or repercussions, no matter how wrong or hurtful they are”?

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        Honestly I think Pirate Software was 90 percent in the wrong. He misunderstood the thrust of the Stop Killing Games movement and took his discourse too far. I think it’s a little gross how much we’ve chosen to pile on as a community.
        In the real world we have in front of us some of the ideas put forth by Stop Killing Games will actually be hard for companies to implement. I don’t feel bad for them nor do I support the murder of games. It’s just not a simple prospect.

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          I think it’s a little gross how much we’ve chosen to pile on as a community.

          The man is still advocating (to this very day) against Stop Killing Games, why does he get a pass? Why should I give a flying fuck about companies that have been bleeding a hobby I enjoy for years. Why are people so FUCKING WILLING TO STAND UP IN DEFENCE OF THE INDEFENSIBLE!

          Sorry that last one is not the games industry only. But really why do people think its gross to call someone on their bullshit, but not gross to play defence for a multinational company?

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      your takeaway from individual people being unhappy after everything that has come to light about an individual popular person is missing the actual situation/thing that is happening right in front of you? quite a bit more went on than “differing opinion” and even then people are luckily allowed to be upset and it is even easy to understand when it is an influential person, welcome to the internet.

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        My take way is a subset of people are (justifiably) unhappy with Pirate Software. He acted like a dick and someone in his position should have better articulated his arguments and been more open to dialogue.
        It’s also a little gross how many people are trying to pay their bills by stoking rage about this rather than moving the issue forward. And yes, I do understand that the rage is probably why this movement got past the goal posts.
        I still think we need to self reflect as a community.
        PS was gross, but we should be better.

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        welcome to the internet

        Yeah, this is the sucky part about the modern internet. It used to be that the internet was a place for discussion and we’ve twisted it to a place to enforce conformity.

        I don’t know anything about this guy, so maybe there’s a more established pattern here, but ideally we don’t jump down someone’s throat when they do one or two unpopular things, but instead wait for a pattern to emerge before getting out the pitchforks. But everyone needs to be first, because the first one gets the eyeballs and there’s not much downside to ruining someone’s reputation unnecessarily.

        It’s stupid and I hate it.

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          I think I’m just tired of being handed a pitchfork whenever I browse YouTube or read about Stop Killing Games.

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            Yeah, that’s why I generally avoid the more popular channels. I just don’t care about internet drama and just want to watch some decent content.

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    Honestly, very smart and humble move, he certainly got hit with a ton of bad press for his opposition to the petition and that would have impacted the game studio’s sales.

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    So I’m confused what exactly did he dislike about the movement? Seems like a solid one to me.

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      its difficult to know why he did what he did because he apparently misinterpreted what the point of the petition is and then spiraled right down a toilet from there

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      Basically he is not happy with the wording of the initiative. He had a 10 minute follow up video after he had a knee jerk reaction and went to into personal attacks against the guy that thought of the movement.

      I’m going to get to roasted for this but watching his video I see what he’s worried about. I agree that this industry has scummy practices but this bill is going to be a monkeys paw scenario.

      I would love for this bill to go through in a perfect world but as of now companies are doing layoffs and closing and adding in more red tap and financial burden will mean more projects will be cancelled or won’t be released in certain areas because it’s not going to be financially viable.

      I’m open to have my mind changed as I don’t have any insight on what happens behind the scenes in these operations but I think people looked at a PowerPoint that said “gamers are getting fucked over” (which is true when live service games close) and signed something that COULD make studios rally around their legal team and financial departments to make things worse.

      Pirate also didn’t do himself favors by being not media trained and careful with his words but now he’s dealing with SWATing, death threats, harassment, and losing his job over an opinion that’s honestly from a perspective of someone that has worked in that industry for a long while vs a community know for being miserable and ready with pitchforks over stupid shit.

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        Please stop felatioing the game companies. The issue everyone had on his hot take is that by the very same logic no regulation on any company is warranted, and that is insane. Its just more of a bad industry wanting to have their cake and eat it as well.

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          This is why I hate this community right here. I answered the person’s question and gave him what pirates view point was while calling out these gaming corporations and explained what they will probably do if a bill like this passes and your take away is I am “felationing” (not a word) game companies.

          Just droves of window lickers like you infest this space and any nuanced conversations get lost.

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            “I see what he’s worried about” they mumble around a mouthful of profit oriented testicles.

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              Also without stating any actual concerns while fighting their gag reflexes.

              Edit: Also the children yearn for the mines, they say while telling people not to be concerned about non corporate interests. After all the companies interests are basicly our own…

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                These are kinda wild takes. The gaming industry for indie companies is wild and expansive in a way I dont remember 20 years ago. Was I just naive? Am I naive now, and the guy who made a game on his own and uploaded it to steam was really just part of a large shell company?

                I mean you’re comparing these to the multinational coorporations that are ruining our environment, and healthcare (in the US). I dont feel like they’re the same?

                Maybe there needs to be tweaks so that the extra burdens don’t inhibit small companies, but do the big ones. Maybe thats already in it, but its hard for me to take it seriously when you’re comparing customer’s desire for a good product with a child working in a mine.

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                  Oh no, not putting this into a conspiracy. Not at all saying Thor is part of a large shell company.

                  The issue I am pointing to is how people (Thor included) defend and fight for those same multinational corporations. Hell even you by belittling one aspect of enshitification as lesser and not worth any attention is not doing any good.

                  Remember that we can do more then one thing at a time.

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    His defense of Godot and his stance on the attacks, seem very reasonable and correct: Clip 1, Clip 2. Nothing like what you remember, OP.

    Separating from Off Brand Games to protect them of the fallout of his opinions and public exposure also seems like a correct decision.

    Edit: fixed second link

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    As far as I’ve seen, the only thing PirateSoftware did “wrong” was point out some unintentional consequences that would fall on indie developers given the language used in SKG as written, and get a bit personal in his criticism of Ross Scott, and everyone has lost their minds on the dude. Idgaf about personal beef between creators and I agree with his concerns for indie developers even though I still support the idea of SKG (there is a happy medium place to be found here). Even if I didn’t, he’s said nothing so inflammatory to the cause as to earn all this stupid drama. Chill the fuck out.

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      So “eat my entire ass” is not inflammatory now? Good to know.

      Even of he did not say that, if he really wanted to give positive criticism he wouldn’t advocate against it entirely. Your happy medium is correct, he was 100% against it from the beginning.

      Not coming from anger or anything like that, just pointing out that you implied he was in the happy medium when he isn’t.

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        So “eat my entire ass” is not inflammatory now?

        Do you have the clip/video source of this quote? I didn’t see him say that in his critique videos I watched. I need context to judge it.

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          He did say that in his first video, but came out with a more reflective video which you probably saw.

          Regardless, the fact he’s dealing with such fall out over an opinion in an industry he’s active in and getting ousted is dumb. Everyone is losing their minds over this but like everything people will move on to something else in a month.

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            …he’s dealing with such fall out over an opinion in an industry he’s active in…

            Congrats to him, he is now the poster child of everything everyone hates about the industry. And its all due to his own ego centred actions.

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      No. Everything he said about this initiative was wrong

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        Care to elaborate on what he said and how it was wrong? Or…

        Edit: down voting someone asking for clarification does not make your side look better or more right, you know, guys. The guy essentially said “nuh uh” like that was a strong argument, and I said “because?”. Seriously, chill out.

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          He pretended like this would force studios to publish sourcecode and that they have to give up on drm. I am not shure if he or someone else said this but someone also pretendet like new laws would somehow retroactivly apply to all games and now sstudios would have to give up server code that propably has thrid party software in it that they dont have the right license to just release it.( this is also a point i read alot from comments everywwhere and its stupid.) First, anny new law will take a ton of time untill it iss written then passed and then goes into effect. If this law passes studios will know way in advanced that upcoming releases in the eu would be under this new law and therefore can take this into account when builsing their infrastructure for online play/drm like in case of the crew.

          Also anyone who is active in piracy forums where devs work on stuffk ows that they dont need aourcecode to get it running. People will chow through assembly if they want to make a game work, some decompiled lego island over the course of a year to preserve it.

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            Yeap, and also that this will be the end of multiplayer games (bullshit in the extreme)

            The irony of a guy called pirate software pushing for DRM on its own is, wild.

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          So he said it would force MPs to be able to be played single player. Which, is wrong.

          In the stream/video he is on a page that litterly says “this is what its not about” and he says “so this is all what its about”

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            Ok, I’ll look more into that to better understand if that is the case. But even if he was wrong about everything, why is such a misunderstanding worth the drama and backlash? Everybody is truly up in arms over what seems like pretty mild criticism even if that criticism is all mistaken. Especially if it is all mistaken, really. People are acting like he said “fuck gamers/consumers and their rights”, which is clearly not what happened. Disagreement isn’t the same as disparagment or conflict. Reasonable minds can differ.

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              “Not only do I not support this, I will go out of my way to tell people not to”

              “This initiative can eat my ass, the whole thing. It can eat my entire ass”

              That’s not mild criticism in my world. About something that he did not even understand in the first place as many things he complained about was things the initiative literally said they were NOT trying to do.

              But hey. Sometimes people can be wrong. We make mistakes. But when someone refuses to acknowledge they were mistaken and instead double down.

              That’s when people get upset.

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                “This initiative can eat my ass, the whole thing. It can eat my entire ass”

                Do you have the clip/video source of this quote? I didn’t see him say that in his critique videos I watched. I need context to judge it.

                But at face value, I would still call that within the realms of normal criticism yes. He disagrees with the basis of the initiative. And disagreement doesn’t mean that one or the other party is necessarily mistaken or that they are maliciously refusing to admit their mistake if unconvinced. They can just disagree. And even if they were being malicious or ignorant or too embarassed to admit their mistake, so what? Just don’t engage, or argue in good faith. No need to swat the guy, make death threats, make weird personal attacks against him, or drag his name through the dirt across the entire internet because he is wrong or doesn’t suck it up and tell you that you are right.

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                  It was said during streams, but yes, I did find a video that captured it, the clips of the quotes end at about 7 min and start from where I linked.

                  https://youtu.be/GuTp4Am51i0?t=371

                  Yes. People can disagree, disagreeing doesn’t mean someone must be wrong or mistaken. But in this case. He very much was wrong and mistaken.

                  And you don’t have to try and strawman this. I have neither harassed, swated, or made any threats, at all, against him. Nor have I ever advocated for it. I have also not claimed anyone deserves that treatment.

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              People have been out for him since the WoW drama where he as a self proclaimed genius and WoW god did everything wrong and left his mates out to die.

              They dug into him and found that he’s a master at bullshitting and pretending to find solutions to puzzles, that he obviously did google.

              He might be a furry and also changes his voice to sound more masculine. He claimed to have received tens of thousands of death threats after the wow drama, which is highly unlikely.

              He never admit fault but always doubles down.

              All of that combined brought out the biggest of hate boners in people.

              It’s definitely easy and justified to dislike him, but he’s not Hitler or something. He’s just unlikable for bullshitting all day, but doesn’t deserve real hate.

              People don’t do themselves a favour by having such a low bar for literally hating someone. They will just get controlled by their hate.

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              People pointed out in his comments section but he did not apologize or mention for 10 months. When the video came out saying he was wrong he doubled down and said he is actually right. And then kept doubling down.

              He also lied and said community is attacking him to see if that will hurt the movement. Community in fact did not attack him.

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                Again, not taking the “he’s definitely wrong” stance at face value. I’ll decide for myself. Reasonable people can disagree and both br “right” from their perspectives. Regardless, who gives a fuck if one person is wrong and doubles down on being wrong when they have no authority to stop this movement (clearly, as it has been quite successful regardless of his opinion). That shit happens 1 million times a day on the internet, and often from big names too. The facts is that, generally, he is an ally to the gaming community, particularly for indie gaming, and this is in-fighting bullshit.

                He also lied and said community is attacking him to see if that will hurt the movement. Community in fact did not attack him.

                They are attacking him now, here, publically dragging him through the dirt, and I’ve seen it elsewhere as well for the last week or two. What are you talking about? Why are we talking about him now if not becuase people are pissed off and hating on him? I read that someone even Swatted him.

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                  Yeah people take accountability tho. He did not say “oh sorry I did not read the slides where it specifically said the movement is NOT about what I thought.” He just insisted he is right.

                  Also for the attacking part I wad referring to the accused reviewbombing of his studio/publisher. Sorry for not being clear.

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    I don’t like pirate software like any other guy, but I want to put credit where credit is due.

    He wasn’t ranting about Godot being woke last year. He was actually actively defending it from all the bigots. One of the very few YouTubers or streamers, I saw.

    You have probably mistaken him with Asmongold. He has long hair too, and he is right wing nutjob pos.

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      Oh shoot, wasn’t Asmongold censored out of the new bbno$ music video? There was some text at the start that said “I’m sorry, I didn’t know about redacted’s shitty views” and one of the people has a raptor image digitally inserted over his face for the whole video.

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    Wait, did PirateSoftware rant about wokeness, or are you confusing him with fellow failed game dev Grummz?

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      OP is mistaken. PirateSoftware defended Godot official and pointed out the actual perpetrator of hate was a mod of an unofficial fan discord. Someone else posted a clip of it in this thread.

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      That actually happened, but not from this PirateSoftware guy. The anti-woke godoters made their own fork, Redot, which, as you might have expected, doesn’t do jack shit other than offering cosmetic changes

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    So… I actually tinker around in Godot.

    Whilst looking around to see if anyone had, or was developing an extension I would find useful…

    I discovered ‘Redot’.

    Basically, there is a small but very vocal group of people who are very, very angry that a Godot community manager made some pro LGBT, inclusive twitter posts, turned that into a culture war flare up on twitter…

    And then forked Godot.

    To make the anti-woke version of Godot.

    Their youtube channel has, as best I can tell, absolutely no descriptions of any substantial differences from… you know, an actual game engine feature set perspective.

    Beyond of course being behind Godot now, lol.

    What they do have is a bunch of rants about politics and edrama for their ‘non-political’ game engine.

    Also… they pronounce Redot as Re-Dot, hard t.

    Godot is Godot as in Waiting for Godot.

    Go - Dough. God - Oh.

    The t is silent.

    … of course these idiots are literally uncultured and have never read the screenplay or seen the stage play, so they have no idea how to pronounce the word.

    Could have gone with Re - Do, or Re - Dough, those would have been closer, the first at least an obvious allusion to them being a Godot fork.

    But no. Re Dot.

    smdh

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      Okay, as much as I approve of mocking bigots, I didn’t pronounce “Godot” properly for a few years because I had never heard the name spoken before. I’d only ever read it.

      Usually, if a word is used properly, but pronounced wrong, it’s an indicator that the word was learned from reading, not from hearing. Typically, people receptive to learning will try to correct themselves when it’s pointed out. I’m very self conscious of this because I’m awful at pronouncing words.

      But for folks like this, yeah, mock the hell out of them.

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        Also, “dot” with a hard T is like super common in programming naming. It’s a pretty reasonable mistake to make.

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        Usually, if a word is used properly, but pronounced wrong, it’s an indicator that the word was learned from reading, not from hearing

        I love when I hear folks do this. It always gives me a little wholesome bump that it’s from reading.

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        Lol grew up reading a lot of books and such, so very similar and I am usually bad at assumed pronunciation, such as godot which I just learned thanks to this thread.

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        What you’re saying is true, that not knowing how to pronounce aloud a word you’ve only ever read is not some kind of 100% surefire sign you’re a bigot or anything like that.

        It just means, as you say, that you’ve never heard it said aloud.

        But… that also means you never bothered to look up how it is pronounced (its on wikipedia, the actual Godot devs have videos of them saying it, etc)… and it does also mean you presumably are also unfamiliar with Waiting for Godot.

        So I would say you are also ‘uncultured’ in that way, but of course, simply being uncultured doesn’t make one a bigot.

        You could just not have the time, money, etc, to have seen the play before.

        That by no means say anything else really concrete about you, or any other person, if that’s like… the only single datapoint you know about them.

        In all seriousness, I do strongly recommend seeing the actual play, probably you could find a dramatic reading / radio drama version of it somewhere on the net, or even a full video captured performance of it on a forgotten youtube channel or the Internet Archive.

        I… don’t know that its ever been adapted as a proper movie, perhaps a film snob can appear and call me uncultured, haja!

        • @[email protected]
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          I would strongly disagree with not looking up the specific pronunciation of a word being an indicator of being less cultured, as this does paint those who are not able to hear it (or have learning disabilities) as inherently less cultured.

          I never looked up the specific pronunciation because I was not aware the name was not pronounced the way it was spelt until my mother told me. Being a high functioning autistic individual, I am generally afraid of using words I don’t already say a lot because I am never sure of the proper pronunciation (which is also subject to variation due to accents and regional dialects).

          Personally, I subscribe to the idea of sharing new things with people and teaching if they’re receptive to it, because that’s a lot more constructive in my opinion.

          You said the play was worth watching, yes? Is there a particular recording you would recommend recommend?

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            Well, you’ve got a point with those that are hearing impaired or have a speech impediment, no argument there.

            But uh, I am also a high functioning autistic… and, maybe I’ve just been around the block a bit more, crafted and worn more masks, maybe I am just older… the way I see it is ‘cultured’ is another malleable, non specific adjective or group description, where… everyone who uses such a term actually has their own specific definition of what it means, but acts like everyone actually has the same definition.

            I guess my use of the term is also coming across as… meaning that anyone it applies to is some kind of innately, fundamentally inferior, and I don’t mean it in that way.

            There are plenty of exceptional people who have no familiarity with … some subset of all possible media or traditions or cuisine or concievably literally anything that anyone could consider to be a marker of ‘cultured’.

            And on its own… there’s no shame in that at all… this seems so obvious to me that I am kind of baffled I’d need to explicitly say it.

            If you don’t know how to say a word, there’s no real, serious reason to be embarassed: you never learned, you never had the experiences that could lead to that.

            Someone can just say, oh, its actually said this way, (in this case this is rather clear and objective as the people who named it have an official, correct, ‘canon’ way to say it), and then you go ‘oh, ok, thanks!’

            Anyway:

            Im not trying to say that not looking up how to pronounce a word means you are uncultured… that would just mean you never looked up how to pronounce it.

            I am trying to say that many people who are familiar with and have read/seen/experienced Beckett… are more likely to get the reference immediately, similar to how an inside joke works.

            So if you haven’t seen Waiting for Godot… thats a part of culture you haven’t experienced.

            Thats what I mean by uncultured.

            Ok, as for actual recommendations:

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=izX5dIzI2RE

            Turns out there is at least this rather low visual quality, but entire Waiting for Godot movie just on a tiny youtube channel…

            And it also appears that I am so uncultured to have not realize there have in fact been several cinematic versions of the play!

            This one appears to be from 2001, directed by Michael Lindsay-Hogg, produced in Ireland… not sure if it got a showing in theatres, or was made for public TV broadcast.

            Seems right to me to go to an Irish production, with Irish cast, for a seminal Irish screenplay… at least as an introduction.

            There are evidently at least 8 or 9 film/tv versions of Waiting for Godot, including one directed by Beckett himself, I had no idea haha!

            www.imdb.com/find/?=waiting for godot

            EDIT: bad url, bad! uh yeah, i guess just copy and paste it manually?

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            derp, looks like i fucked up the last url and made lemmy throw a fit… spaces in urls are problematic

        • @[email protected]
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          not reading / watching a play by Beckett means you’re uncultured

          Is there a community for Shit Lemmy Says?

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            Not that I’m aware of, but if you wanna start one, it might be a good idea to not fill it with fabricated quotes that remove all the surrounding context.

            Maybe you could go back to reddit, make a subreddit entirely devoted to shit stirring and drama there?

            Seems like a better fit to me.

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        Most of the folks I’ve heard making tutorials about it pronounce it “guhDOUGH.” To get that FOSS cred the name has to be a dumpster fire.

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          Ubuntu.

          Oo boon too?

          Oo bun too?

          Pretty sure the correct pronunciation is the first, but a lot of people say it as the second.

          … lets just name the next big FOSS thing ‘Uranus’ and watch everyone disagree about how to pronounce that, very loudly.

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        I’ll say it that way sometimes, haha!

        I also have a tendency to shorten ‘good night’ and ‘good morning’ and even ‘good to see you!’ into just basically g’ with a glottal stop, haha.

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    The review bombing is another fabrication:

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/2217000/Rivals_of_Aether_II/?curator_clanid=45028385

    It seems like a minor influx of recent negative reviews. Most likely they didn’t want his current status in the public perception to work against the marketing push they wanted from him.

    Because let’s be real, “director of strategy” doesn’t seem accurate for someone who is obviously just an influencer marketing your game to his large audience.

    • @[email protected]
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      Reviews since July first look at least 50% negative which was not seen before so there could be an argument it is happening.

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        Check the actual reviews.

        (the link is for the past week, so will be less and less accurate to the july first start date as the days pass by)

        The only two reviews related to the drama are specifically in reaction to the alleged review bombing. The other negative reviews don’t mention anything related to the drama at all, and so the increase is probably just due to the streisand effect.

        I’ll list the two drama-related reviews here trimmed down to the drama-relevant parts only (not the full reviews):

        “Drumming up fake drama about a review bombing that never happened to artificially inflate your positive review count through fan counteraction is gross.” — Full Review

        “Wasn’t gonna leave a review but Ludwig and Pirate Software cried review bombing so I’m leaving an honest review to combat the non-existent bombing.” — Full Review

        As you can see by these excerpts, both of them were made AFTER the allegations of review bombing. They’re not part of the review bombing itself that was being talked about.


        Edit: fixed inaccurate -> accurate

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        More than 0 reviews related to the drama = review bombing

        He worked at blizzard for 7 years guys.

        • @[email protected]
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          62 days ago

          You do understand that on Steam if you have 50% or more negative reviews, it is a “Mostly Negative” and puts people off even trying. Bad reviews can have a serious effect on sales. 10 negative reviews in millions is nothing, 10 negative reviews alongside 10 positive is detrimental. It’s all about the percentage and indie games work at a different scale.

          I’m unsure what the point about working for Blizzard means. You’ll have to elaborate.

          • MolochAlter
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            On Steam you can report review bombing events to have the reviews struck from the list so…

            And the working at blizzard line is mocking Thor for literally never shutting the fuck up about his nepobaby job.

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    Had a look at Offbrand Games’ games and none of them have recent review bombs. I really have no clue what PirateSoftware is talking about.

    I’m not surprised he was pushed out for fear of such review bombs, but I’m not seeing any evidence of them actually existing as he alleges.