• @[email protected]
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    If being a man and being attracted to a good looking woman makes me gay, then I don’t understand the logic, but apparently I am gay?

  • @[email protected]
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    I don’t care if it’s gay or straight, it’s not attractive to me personally, so I just avoid it and move on. 🤷

    • hazel
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      Pretty weird of you to not pass unsolicited judgement on the physical attractiveness of strangers. Do you ever worry that this sort of antisocial behaviour will see you ostracised from society?

          • @[email protected]
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            i honestly think sarcasm is dead (and should die) in this international world we are in because it isn’t something that all cultures participate in and leads to exactly this sort of misunderstanding over and over.

            I used to think (as someone who was quite sarcastic online) that if you needed the /s tag it just meant you weren’t very good at it, but when you are communicating with people who don’t have a background of experience with it you just look like an asshole!

        • hazel
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          83 days ago

          Lighten up

          Okay is that a joke about my weight? I’m so fucking done.

    • @[email protected]
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      The right attitude! I’ll never understand why anyone is bothered by a complete strangers appearance.

  • @[email protected]
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    I’ve always thought that women who look like they can kick ass are hot AF.

    My awakening to that was Alias. I never actually watched the show itself, but I saw a clip from one particular episode that really got me going. At least I’m pretty sure it was Alias. But if you watched it, I’m pretty sure you know exactly the clip I’m talking about.

    Now I’m not really into actually having my ass kicked, but just the look of capability. Oooo weeee.

    • @[email protected]
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      Same. Did these people not play Street Fighter growing up? If Cammy waking the mighty tiger behind my fly is gay then I’ll see you at Pride.

    • @[email protected]
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      I like women who look like they can take care of themselves, I find the damsel in distress stereotype annoying.

  • Shadowedcross
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    It’s because they associate strength and domination purely with masculinity, a real woman is petite and fragile in their eyes.

    • @[email protected]
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      Strength doesn’t mean domination. In that case she worked hard on that body. I think a dominant character is what does it. But they can be toxic and controlling.

  • @[email protected]
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    I literally am incapable of forming opinions about something without consulting manosphere chuds opinion about whether or not it is gay. is that gay?

    • Jack
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      Or was pegged by one and liked it a bit too much

      • @[email protected]
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        Pro tip: before getting yourself pegged make sure to make it clear you want her to be gentle with you, so you don’t risk having to question your sexuality.

  • Coriza
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    I have a strong feeling that the people that say that it is gay to feel attracted by a woman with “male” attributes will also say that it is gay to be attracted by a trans woman. Cognitive dissonance all around.

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      Yup. Definitely no cognitive dissonance about how a skinny/emotional man is unattractive to them, but the hyper-masculine beefcake is the male worthy of praise and attraction. Nothing gay about that.

    • @[email protected]
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      I would say it is gay to be attracted to a trans woman. Is this really a spicy take? And for context I do not think it’s gay to be into a muscular woman…

      • Jerkface (any/all)
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        I don’t think it’s gay or straight. Some bi people are exclusively interested in cis partner. Some bi people are pan. Some trans people are exclusively interested in other trans people. Someone maybe desires cis people and trans men. I think it’s a failure of vocabulary, combined with a great deal of emotional charge and taboo.

        Now consider my partner, who is non-binary. Traditional labels of sexuality risks misgendering when applied to non-binary people. I find the terms “androphile” and “gynophile” to be pretty useful, since they don’t encode the gender of the person having the attraction, but even those are pretty limited.

        However, there are fundamentally two kinds of sexuality: queer and repressed.

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          I don’t think it’s gay or straight. Some bi people are exclusively interested in cis partner. Some bi people are pan. Some trans people are exclusively interested in other trans people. Someone maybe desires cis people and trans men. I think it’s a failure of vocabulary, combined with a great deal of emotional charge and taboo.

          Agreed.

          Now consider my partner, who is non-binary. Traditional labels of sexuality risks misgendering when applied to non-binary people. I find the terms “androphile” and “gynophile” to be pretty useful, since they don’t encode the gender of the person having the attraction, but even those are pretty limited.

          Sure. There’s a double edged sword to creating new words or terms or reaching further into jargon to communicate your identity. By going this route you end up only being able to communicate to others who understand your jargon, and conversely to your goals communicate less effectively to the average person.

          However, there are fundamentally two kinds of sexuality: queer and repressed.

          What does this mean?

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        Trans women are women. A man being attracted to a woman is…not gay. They only thing that’s gay is being attracted to men.

        Not muscular women, not short-haired women, not trans women. Men. M.E.N.

            • @[email protected]
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              You’re just out here throwing around generalizations about genders and people’s sexual identities, you should know better. These generalization’s and stereotypes are the same feminist women have worked so hard to shirk off.

              Your neo stereotype “that sucking dick ain’t gay if she identifies as a woman” is truly something to behold and reveals that you don’t really think about what you’re saying so much as repeat talking points from your ideology.

          • Jerkface (any/all)
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            11 day ago

            What is binary thinking a strong indicator for. Well, ChatGPT says: “Binary thinking is most prominently an indication of cognitive distortion, borderline personality disorder, low cognitive flexibility, trauma response, authoritarian ideology, and intolerance of ambiguity.”

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              I’m not sure I’d even call this binary thinking. It’s just a fundamental misunderstanding of how the world works.

              If some straight guy gets a boner from looking at a trans woman and thinks that he’s now gay or bi or something, he should go have sex with a man. I think he’ll be able to figure out the difference very quickly.

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                And yet, he’s less straight than he previously imagined he was. You are taking a binary perspective that doesn’t allow that.

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              So you disagree that I’m not allowed to be attracted to chicks with dicks? Are you that far gone? Imagine the brainrot required to tag in chatgpt into your discussion and quote it like some ancient philosopher. I bet you thought that was checkmate for me and this discussion?

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                I disagree with your pronouncement that it is definitively gay to suck a trans woman’s cock. I also disagree with the prior pronouncement that it is straight.

                I bet you thought…

                No, I didn’t, I thought it was funny. I thought it would be recognized as a cheap rhetorical tactic. Any other source I had used would have said something similar, and it would still have been a cheap shot.

                The real point was just to point out that your thinking is painfully binary. It comes across as being super concerned with knowing where the line between gay and not gay is. Conclusion left to reader.

                • @[email protected]
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                  Ya kid I’m sorry but you don’t get to take the high road after using a chatgpt quote to take a cheap shot ad hominem during a discussion.

                  Your continual implications that I must be a repressed homosexual if I’m not into sucking every last drop of semen from a trans woman’s nut sac because she identifies as a woman and I’m an ally is …. wait for it… binary thinking.

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        I might be able to help clear this up for you. Whether or not the take is spicy depends on how transphobic or ignorant the parties involved are, so I’ll start by addressing the facts.

        • If you are a woman, then it is gay to be attracted to a trans woman.

        • If you are a man, then it is not gay to be attracted to a trans woman.

        • Regardless of whether you or anyone else is a man, woman, gay, or otherwise, and of whatever physical bits are involved, you are not obligated to be attracted to anyone in particular.

        • If you are a straight man, and you do not visually perceive the trans woman as appearing consistent with your idea of what a woman should look like, then you are unlikely to be attracted to her.

        • If you are a straight man who is attracted to a trans woman and feel uncomfortable with or threatened by it, then you are transphobic. This doesn’t necessarily mean you hate trans people, it can just mean that you fear being associated with them or having to think about them.

        On spiciness:

        • If you are addressing people who are ignorant of all this, they will not know enough to consider your take spicy.
        • Your statement is too vague to determine whether your intent is transphobic or not. If the context of your take is that you do not consider trans women to be women, then your take will be spicy to people who are not transphobic, but it will not be spicy to people who are transphobic (or ignorant, as mentioned previously).
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          Hello, I’ve been getting reports. Let’s have everyone lay off deciding who is gay or not. This is a meme discussion, not an expert consultation on who is and isn’t gay.

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          If you are a man, then it is not gay to be attracted to a trans woman.

          Well, sucking a trans woman’s cock is not straight, either. I just slap a “queer” label on everything and call it done.

          And who fucking cares if it IS gay. (ie if it feels gay to someone.) That’s perfectly okay, too! We don’t get to tell people how to be sexually attracted to their partner.

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        I don’t know about it being spicy, but I disagree. People are not their genitals.

        To clarify further, do you think being attracted to trans men (assuming you’re a guy) is gay?

        The mental exercise here seems to either go one of two ways for me. Either you just consider gender, or you have a relationship orientation that’s separate from physical orientation.

        I honestly don’t know where I fall on this particular topic. I’ve known very few trans people at all (at least in person- obviously I’ve seen tons of them in different movies and shows and YouTube channels), so I haven’t really had a chance to figure out how I feel about them for the sake of relationships.

        I think either would understand me in different ways (since they either are or were treated as guys).

        But if I had to guess, I think I would still prefer trans women to trans men as far as being in a relationship with one.

        The one thing I do know is that if I ever did fuck a dude, it would be a trans dude.

        But really I’m more concerned with how I feel about the person than I am about their junk. There so much more to a relationship than how fucking works and I’d much rather just be totally in love with the person vs in love with their crotch.

        • @[email protected]
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          Ya, being with a trans man would be a lot less gay than a trans woman. Confusing, and probably worthy of the label queer but certainly not nearly as gay as actually sucking dick.

          I agree being in a relationship with either of them would be confusing but the simple fact is I don’t like dick… I also don’t like pussy with a beard and chest hair, but I’m not in a place where I have to pick.

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            Hmmm I wanted to say you’re adding qualifications to the definition of straight, but I had to check myself and the definitions I found did indeed say “sex”, not “gender”.

            I hadn’t ever looked at it before and I thought it meant gender. Maybe I’m more queer than I thought. 🤔

            • @[email protected]
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              Well, I appreciate you for holding a civil discussion from a position of good faith nonetheless. This is quite rare on the internet and unique among the commenters replying to my original post.

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                Yeah, I’m trying to work on it specifically.

                I haven’t seen the other threads (when I first replied, there was at most 1 other reply), but I was ready to drive that meaning at you, but when I went to get the evidence to back it up, the evidence surprisingly didn’t favor it.

                So I had to go back to the drawing board. Even as far away as the drawing board was. By which I mean my assumed sexuality’s definition.

  • @[email protected]
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    If being attracted to buff women makes you gay, then gender is not as simple as this twitter gremlin probably believes it to be. But they probably don’t want to think about that too much.

    • Ech
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      “Not ‘normal’ = gay”. That’s all they consider.

    • @[email protected]
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      I have a friend that says having muscles makes women too masculine. He was not amused when I asked him if that also means he is feminine because he doesn’t have any muscle (I don’t actually believe either is the case, just wanted to point out his hypocrisy)

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      “Men cannot become women, but muscular women are men.” 😅

    • @[email protected]
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      Is this a new metric mental gymnastics, like it’s not gay if you’re on top, or if you are the giver?